Scalia Death Suspicious "We discovered the judge in bed, a pillow over his head."

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: dianajune

I don't think it was a murder weapon either.
Suffocation by pillow would not have been a professional hit. It would be detectable...and only used in an impulsive crime of opportunity by an amateur.

Agreed. Not only that, whoever did this would have disposed of the pillow instead of leave it on his head. That's why I'm leaning towards it being a warning.

I'm still wondering why the funeral home in El Paso disposed of his body fluids after he was embalmed. Down the El Paso sewer system. In other words, literally flushed. This is getting more and more stinky to say the least.

a reply to: dianajune

I'm still wondering why the funeral home in El Paso disposed of his body fluids after he was embalmed. Down the El Paso sewer system. In other words, literally flushed.

Wait what?

I didn't think that was legal, isn't that considered a biohazard?

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: AceWombat04
a reply to: IAMTAT

I can entertain that hypothesis. But then my question would be: what of the unwrinkled clothes? Did they put those on him after killing him? And if so, why then replace the pillow over his face? Or were his clothes simply unwrinkled when he laid down, and they were so fast, efficient, and quick, nothing was disturbed even in the slightest?

Possible, yes. But more probable than him simply dying suddenly and dropping the pillow on himself or some other scenario? Devil's advocate says no imo. But certainly possible.

I do believe an autopsy should be performed.

Peace.

"Unwrinkled" is subjective.
What was the material of his PJ's? It was also his first night there, so they probably hadn't been worn the night before...coming newly laundered and folded in the suitcase.

As for the pillow? I don't know...but Poindexter's clarification was that the pillow was "above", rather than "over" Scalia's head.

Agreed on the subjectivity of unwrinkled.

Now my question though is... if the pillow wasn't over his face, and that was the only overt suggestion of possible foul play to begin with, what cause for suspicion other than conjecture about political or social agenda do we still have?

Peace.

originally posted by: jadedANDcynical
a reply to: dianajune

I'm still wondering why the funeral home in El Paso disposed of his body fluids after he was embalmed. Down the El Paso sewer system. In other words, literally flushed.

Wait what?

I didn't think that was legal, isn't that considered a biohazard?

I don't think it's legal either. I heard this during the interview of Wayne Madsen on today's Alex Jones program. He is in El Paso for now. I think he's supposed to join other reporters from Infowars who are investigating Scalia's death.

They rebroadcast his program on YouTube and PrisonPlanet every day. On YouTube the rebroadcast is free and is normally posted within a couple of hours or so after the show is over. I think the show was past the two hour point when I heard this if you want to look it up.

Ron Gibson channel for Alex Jones on YouTube

On Ron's channel you can find Alex's complete four-hour broadcast within a couple of hours after the show is over. They do excerpts as well.

It doesn't matter anyway, they would control the results of an autopsy, you would never know the truth.

Also..."unwrinkled" would also indicate that Justice Scalia died shortly after he went to bed after 9:30 P.M.

Consider: IF this was a private party...and the Justice as guest of honor was known by the other guests to be turning in early (while everyone was still gathered together)...it would invite the attempt on his life while he was alone in the room section and while the majority of guests (potential witnesses) were still gathered together in the dinning area.

Here's another thought: I would like to find out if they can retrace Scalia's steps from the moment he arrived in Texas to the moment he turned in for bed before being killed (Yes, I still believe it was murder).

There has to be a number of security cameras, like at the airport, any restaurants he went to, etc. He must have appeared on camera somewhere.

originally posted by: AceWombat04

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: AceWombat04
a reply to: IAMTAT

I can entertain that hypothesis. But then my question would be: what of the unwrinkled clothes? Did they put those on him after killing him? And if so, why then replace the pillow over his face? Or were his clothes simply unwrinkled when he laid down, and they were so fast, efficient, and quick, nothing was disturbed even in the slightest?

Possible, yes. But more probable than him simply dying suddenly and dropping the pillow on himself or some other scenario? Devil's advocate says no imo. But certainly possible.

I do believe an autopsy should be performed.

Peace.

"Unwrinkled" is subjective.
What was the material of his PJ's? It was also his first night there, so they probably hadn't been worn the night before...coming newly laundered and folded in the suitcase.

As for the pillow? I don't know...but Poindexter's clarification was that the pillow was "above", rather than "over" Scalia's head.

Now my question though is... if the pillow wasn't over his face, and that was the only overt suggestion of possible foul play to begin with, what cause for suspicion other than conjecture about political or social agenda do we still have?

Peace.

Objectively speaking? We only have Poindexter's description of the pillow's placement...and that has been both ambiguous and/or contradictory. So it's a wash there...but still enough to establish a reasonable doubt; a pro or con for both sides of the murder argument.

If this had become an actual murder inquiry...Mr. Poindexter would currently be the prime suspect....and as the prime suspect, ALL of his testimony would also be suspect.

originally posted by: IAMTAT
If this had become an actual murder inquiry...Mr. Poindexter would currently be the prime suspect....and as the prime suspect, ALL of his testimony would also be suspect.

now, now...there is no critical-thinking skills needed on this thread....this is simply to provide government haters with fresh ammo

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: AceWombat04

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: AceWombat04
a reply to: IAMTAT

I can entertain that hypothesis. But then my question would be: what of the unwrinkled clothes? Did they put those on him after killing him? And if so, why then replace the pillow over his face? Or were his clothes simply unwrinkled when he laid down, and they were so fast, efficient, and quick, nothing was disturbed even in the slightest?

Possible, yes. But more probable than him simply dying suddenly and dropping the pillow on himself or some other scenario? Devil's advocate says no imo. But certainly possible.

I do believe an autopsy should be performed.

Peace.

"Unwrinkled" is subjective.
What was the material of his PJ's? It was also his first night there, so they probably hadn't been worn the night before...coming newly laundered and folded in the suitcase.

As for the pillow? I don't know...but Poindexter's clarification was that the pillow was "above", rather than "over" Scalia's head.

Now my question though is... if the pillow wasn't over his face, and that was the only overt suggestion of possible foul play to begin with, what cause for suspicion other than conjecture about political or social agenda do we still have?

Peace.

Objectively speaking? We only have Poindexter's description of the pillow's placement...and that has been both ambiguous and/or contradictory. So it's a wash there...but still enough to establish a reasonable doubt; a pro or con for both sides of the murder argument.

I can't say share that sense of equal weight personally. For myself, arguing that something as egregious and blatant as the secret and surreptitious murder of a sitting SCOTUS justice has occurred and is just as likely at this point as him simply dying of natural causes in his sleep without any compelling evidence whatsoever other than

• Someone said a pillow may have been over his face, but then clarified that it was above his head
  
• We don't like that lack of clarity and precision and find it insufficiently illustrative
  
• It's election season and a lot of sociopolitical agendas are at stake
  
• There was no autopsy performed (which isn't as uncommon as we might imagine)
  

... would feel to me as though I were being biased toward seeing conspiracy, and overzealous. It would feel to me like looking for conspiracy just because we want there to be one, and because it's election season. I can't see my way to that read of the situation personally.

By the same token, I can't assert that there wasn't an assassination here, and I completely agree that the lack of autopsy is intuitively suspicious as I said... but that's as far as I can go personally. At least for the moment. I respect the views of those who disagree as always. And I do find it interesting and will keep my eye on it (and this thread) for further glimmers of suspicion, though.

Peace.

a reply to: AceWombat04

Lack of evidence cuts both ways...and therefore gives both arguments equal weight.
You cannot reach an absolute and accurate conclusion in a death of this nature based upon assumption and conjecture alone.

This is exactly why an autopsy is an absolute necessity.

a reply to: IAMTAT

On that we completely agree. An autopsy is warranted imo. And without one, we will never know.

Peace.

a reply to: blupblup and all.

REGARDLESS OF HOW THE BODY WAS FOUND, AN AUTOPSY SHOULD BE DONE. I could care less of all this back and forth on how the body was found, pillow or no pillow, sleeping with it over your head or on your head or what ever else. Who really F****** cares really. If you died and it was planned that you were going to die, like another poster said an autopsy would be done... PERIOD! The fact of the matter is the body is not having a post death investigation aka POST MORTEM which is totally pointing to shenanigans.

I googled "are autopsy done on everyone" and at the top of the page google answered:
"All deaths out of the hospital (in some states) will have an autopsy performed unless specifically declined by the family. Also, deaths under unclear circumstances -- like murder or suicide -- will often have an autopsy. Autopsies are a medical procedure in order to determine the cause of death."

Post mortem in it's noun form means "an examination of a dead body to determine the cause of death" another word for this is Necropsy.
Shenanigans: secret or dishonest activity or maneuvering
GTFOOH

MEANS, MOTIVE, & OPPORTUNITY

We see all 3 in play here

Hence, the possible cover-up attempts

originally posted by: xuenchen
MEANS, MOTIVE, & OPPORTUNITY

We see all 3 in play here

Hence, the possible cover-up attempts

You've been reading my mind, X.
All three aspects of potential murder exist in large measure.

a reply to: SkepticOverlord

Late to the party on this one, but I'm putting it at even odds between foul play and not. On the side of foul play - if Obama is able to get a preferred nomination confirmed, or if a Dem wins the presidency (and Dems likely take control of the Senate), then it benefits the chances of a "liberal" Supreme Court. On the side of not - I woke up at 4:30 this morning with a pillow on my head. On my face actually. Nobody had been trying to kill me, it just kind of flopped over from behind me at some point in the night. I could still breathe. I would think if someone gave him the ol' pillow suffocation, they would have tossed it aside, rather than leaving it in kill position (or maybe it wouldn't have mattered at that point.)

But how could an autopsy be performed now that Scalia has been embalmed?

Is it possible? If so, the results would have to be quite limited in nature, especially given that all of his body fluids have been flushed down the drain at the funeral home in El Paso.

originally posted by: IAMTAT
Also..."unwrinkled" would also indicate that Justice Scalia died shortly after he went to bed after 9:30 P.M.

Consider: IF this was a private party...and the Justice as guest of honor was known by the other guests to be turning in early (while everyone was still gathered together)...it would invite the attempt on his life while he was alone in the room section and while the majority of guests (potential witnesses) were still gathered together in the dinning area.

My pajamas haven't been unwrinkled since they first came out of their Christmas wrappings. I'm guessing SCOTUS jammies are of much finer material than mine. Struck me as a weird observation though.

a reply to: dianajune

I believe they could still do an autopsy. Body fluids tell only so much.