Scalia Death Suspicious "We discovered the judge in bed, a pillow over his head."

a reply to: SkepticOverlord

I think this is yet another example of the Republican conspiracy theory machine doing all it can to convince their idiot followers that there is more to this than just an old man dying.

It's inevitable really, they're currently trying to claim that it's "unfair" if Obama does his job and selects someone, rather than leaving it up to Hillary or Sanders

Unless EVIDENCE is offered to suggest something else, this is all nothing more than the usual ranting nonsense from the same right-wing crazies who think there's a big bad evil gubmint plot behind everything they don't like in the world.

The man died, Obama will select a replacement, the world will go on. Personally I hope Obama gets a big liberal in there and gives the failing conservatives the middle finger while he does it

originally posted by: queenofswords

originally posted by: Generation9
The news tells us the pillow was over his head, not his face.

Was the body on its back? Could the head be on a pillow and there is another pillow standing/leaning up against the headboard of the bed? From the perspective of a photographer snapping a picture from the foot of the bed there might appear to be a pillow positioned over the head which is itself lying on a pillow.

I'm saying the body was probably on its side with a pillow blocking light and/or sounds and not the face/nostrils/mouth like the conspiracy people are wanting to believe.

There has been some clarification this evening about the pillow. It was leaning up against the headboard behind the pillow Scalia's head was lying on.

That's the "new" version anyway.

Which is really unsettling, in and of itself. Everyone knows what 'a pillow under your head' means. Everyone knows what 'a pillow over your head' means. That Poindexter really meant 'above his head' defies belief. As he uttered the words the first time, he would have known exactly how that sounded to people.

It wouldn't even be mention-worthy if a pillow was leaning against the headboard.

originally posted by: lovebeck
As a nurse, I know that some deaths are "automatically " a coroners case...

The local coroner is called and they decide if an autopsy/investigation is to be completed.

I'm concerned by the fact that it seems this was not done. Instead a team of Feds were helicoptered in to handle the situation.

The coroners rules in this Texas county, for lack of a better word, should be somewhere online. I'd look for them but it's very difficult to link/post things from a website using an iPhone.

Would this be what you are looking for: Link

It would be interesting to see the earlier versions...most of this code was added and updated in 2011 and 2013.

*ahem*

Acts 2011, 82nd Leg., R.S., Ch. 1341 (S.B. 1233), Sec. 8, eff. June 17, 2011.
Acts 2013, 83rd Leg., R.S., Ch. 22 (S.B. 336), Sec. 1, eff. September 1, 2013.
Acts 2013, 83rd Leg., R.S., Ch. 25 (S.B. 457), Sec. 1, eff. September 1, 2013.

originally posted by: pirhanna

originally posted by: queenofswords

originally posted by: Ksihkehe
a reply to: SkepticOverlord

I think I remember from assassin school that you are supposed to take the pillow off their head after.

@#&%ing amateurs.

unless....they got spooked by something and had to vamoose quickly.

I would assume they left it there on purpose to send a message to those they wish to manipulate. "Look, this is what happens if you don't do what we tell you" kind of thing.

This is one of the truly pivotal moments in American history. A supreme court justice was assassinated for what is likely political purposes. This is up there with the creation of the Fed, the JFK assassination and 911 / Patriot Act. Make no mistake, **** is getting real.

You have it right, sending a message, America is in trouble....

I just want to add that I sleep with my head under the covers and a pillow over my head. I have my whole life. So at least the pillow over the head is believable, to me.

originally posted by: judydawg

originally posted by: pirhanna

originally posted by: queenofswords

originally posted by: Ksihkehe
a reply to: SkepticOverlord

I think I remember from assassin school that you are supposed to take the pillow off their head after.

@#&%ing amateurs.

unless....they got spooked by something and had to vamoose quickly.

I would assume they left it there on purpose to send a message to those they wish to manipulate. "Look, this is what happens if you don't do what we tell you" kind of thing.

This is one of the truly pivotal moments in American history. A supreme court justice was assassinated for what is likely political purposes. This is up there with the creation of the Fed, the JFK assassination and 911 / Patriot Act. Make no mistake, **** is getting real.

You have it right, sending a message, America is in trouble....

Why bother to assassinate a Supreme Court Judge? There are eight others, and they can essentially table any decision until they have an odd number of judges to break a potential tie. Meanwhile, the Republicans are boasting about their intention to ignore their constitutional duty of voting on the POTUS's appointment. Aren't they going look like imbeciles if Sanders is our next President?

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: judydawg

originally posted by: pirhanna

originally posted by: queenofswords

originally posted by: Ksihkehe
a reply to: SkepticOverlord

I think I remember from assassin school that you are supposed to take the pillow off their head after.

@#&%ing amateurs.

unless....they got spooked by something and had to vamoose quickly.

I would assume they left it there on purpose to send a message to those they wish to manipulate. "Look, this is what happens if you don't do what we tell you" kind of thing.

This is one of the truly pivotal moments in American history. A supreme court justice was assassinated for what is likely political purposes. This is up there with the creation of the Fed, the JFK assassination and 911 / Patriot Act. Make no mistake, **** is getting real.

You have it right, sending a message, America is in trouble....

Why bother to assassinate a Supreme Court Judge? There are eight others, and they can essentially table any decision until they have an odd number of judges to break a potential tie. Meanwhile, the Republicans are boasting about their intention to ignore their constitutional duty of voting on the POTUS's appointment. Aren't they going look like imbeciles if Sanders is our next President?

I admit, I find it silly that they want to hold off on a nomination/confirmation. I feel like it's all for show because there is no way, in my mind, that we are getting a conservative POTUS after all the grooming the media has done over the last 3 years to prepare us for another democrat.

And, yes, I do believe it will be Bernie.

Our corrupt Congress cannot wait to steal...err....spend $18 trillion.

Eyes on the prize.

a reply to: DJW001

The issue with 8 Justices is about what happens in the event of a 4-4 tie.

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: DJW001

The issue with 8 Justices is about what happens in the event of a 4-4 tie.

As I explained, the decision can be tabled until the Court is complete. In the meantime, the lower court's ruling would stand.

a reply to: SkepticOverlord


So someone came to kill him and then "left" the pillow on his head?


Hmmmmmm


Um.... no.

a reply to: blupblup

Apparently not. Instead, the owner just floated that *ahem* completely false fact in the media and then backpedaled.

In other words, the public has intentionally been left to stew on what really happened.

a reply to: blupblup

LOL exactly my thought. People watch too much Olivia Pope.

originally posted by: zazzafrazz
a reply to: blupblup

LOL exactly my thought. People watch too much Olivia Pope.

This guy has been watching too much Olivia Pope?

“As a former homicide commander, I am stunned that no autopsy was ordered for Justice Scalia,” William O. Ritchie, former head of criminal investigations for D.C. police, wrote in a post on Facebook on Sunday.

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I guess anyone who thinks it is not unreasonable to expect an autopsy to be conducted on a Supreme Court Justice who died unattended with no obvious immediate cause of death is just cray. Got it.

If I didn't know for a fact that there are people in this world that actually believe that killing someone who actively opposes their "righteous" causes is okay and is for the greater good, I wouldn't be so suspicious.

The radical mind is hard for many people to understand. I will use one example because this is the type of person(s) I think we are dealing with in our country:

In the late 60's and early 70's, we had a radical group called The Weather Underground. They were a left-wing organization organized as a faction of Democratic Socialists and became known as simply The Weathermen. Their objective was to overthrow the U.S. government as we know it and implement something like world communism.

Their position was laid out in a paper they distributed at a Students for Democratic Society (SDS) convention in June 1968. They wanted a white fighting force to join with the "Black Liberation Movement" (notice another BLM acronym??) along with other radicals and activists to destroy American imperialism, as they put it, and implement a classless world, worldwide communism.

They killed people. They bombed places and targeted police.

Does any of the above remind you of anything?? And guess what? Some of these activists are still around today and holding positions of importance in education and government!!!!

They believed, and still do, that the ends justify the means and there is only the fight.

Yes! If I didn't know radical minds are still at play and STILL working on achieving the above-stated goals, I would probably not think a thing about our last bastion of Constitutional jurists being picked off like nothing more than a nuisance standing in the way of the last hoorah to fundamentally transform our country.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

I guess anyone who thinks it is not unreasonable to expect an autopsy to be conducted on a Supreme Court Justice who died unattended with no obvious immediate cause of death is just cray. Got it.

As I've pointed out before, it is possible that the cause of death is obvious, but the circumstances embarrassing for a public figure like Scalia. What if he had a heart attack while cavorting with his mistress. There would obviously be a cover-up, but it wouldn't necessarily suggest foul play.

originally posted by: Rocker2013
a reply to: SkepticOverlord

I think this is yet another example of the Republican conspiracy theory machine doing all it can to convince their idiot followers that there is more to this than just an old man dying.

It's inevitable really, they're currently trying to claim that it's "unfair" if Obama does his job and selects someone, rather than leaving it up to Hillary or Sanders

Unless EVIDENCE is offered to suggest something else, this is all nothing more than the usual ranting nonsense from the same right-wing crazies who think there's a big bad evil gubmint plot behind everything they don't like in the world.

The man died, Obama will select a replacement, the world will go on. Personally I hope Obama gets a big liberal in there and gives the failing conservatives the middle finger while he does it

So...If Bernie starts pulling ahead of Hillary and then is suddenly found dead in his hotel room after a hunting trip (with a pillow over his head!), is announced dead over the phone by heart attack and there's no autopsy you'd just roll over and accept it?

a reply to: queenofswords

They killed people.

No they didn't:

The bombing campaign mostly targeted government buildings, along with several banks. Most were preceded by evacuation warnings, along with communiqués identifying the particular matter that the attack was intended to protest. No people were killed in any of their acts of property destruction, although three members of the group were killed in the Greenwich Village townhouse explosion.

en.wikipedia.org...

Does any of the above remind you of anything?? And guess what? Some of these activists are still around today and holding positions of importance in education and government!!!!

Some people are of the opinion that the SDS was always run by the government.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: MotherMayEye

I guess anyone who thinks it is not unreasonable to expect an autopsy to be conducted on a Supreme Court Justice who died unattended with no obvious immediate cause of death is just cray. Got it.

As I've pointed out before, it is possible that the cause of death is obvious, but the circumstances embarrassing for a public figure like Scalia. What if he had a heart attack while cavorting with his mistress. There would obviously be a cover-up, but it wouldn't necessarily suggest foul play.

If that were the case, then Myocardial infarction would be listed on his death certificate and the other details would not. As it stands, his death certificate will be amended when they decide what the immediate cause of death was.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: MotherMayEye

I guess anyone who thinks it is not unreasonable to expect an autopsy to be conducted on a Supreme Court Justice who died unattended with no obvious immediate cause of death is just cray. Got it.

As I've pointed out before, it is possible that the cause of death is obvious, but the circumstances embarrassing for a public figure like Scalia. What if he had a heart attack while cavorting with his mistress. There would obviously be a cover-up, but it wouldn't necessarily suggest foul play.

If that were the case, then Myocardial infarction would be listed on his death certificate and the other details would not. As it stands, his death certificate will be amended when they decide what the immediate cause of death was.

Where have you seen his death certificate?

originally posted by: DJW001

Some people are of the opinion that the SDS was always run by the government.

Count me as one of them. You don't bomb the Pentagon and walk away "guilty as hell and free as birds" without help from the federal government.