When Bob Lazar Declared Gravity As a Wave

NEWS FLASH! EINSTEIN PREDICTED GRAVITATIONAL WAVES LONG BEFORE BOB LAZAR! READ ALL ABOUT IT!!

Seriously. I don't know how people can't get that he is just a good story teller and decided to go with a leading mathemetician's idea of how things probably are.

originally posted by: raymundoko
Seriously. I don't know how people can't get that he is just a good story teller and decided to go with a leading mathemetician's idea of how things probably are.

Because there are people who want to believe that the government secretly has alien-tech anti-gravity propulsion, and Lazar's story matched those pre-conceived notions that they desire to be true.

People have a desire to believe in the fantastic, so when a guy comes along and validates that "belief in the fantastic" with fantastic stories of his own, some people eat it all up, even with all of the holes in his story.

originally posted by: SkepticOverlord

originally posted by: bananasam
Lazar had his fair share of criticisms, but out of every single person in this UFO research, at least 2 of his quantifiable assertions have come true before anyone knew the answer

Not so fast.

A lot of Lazar's assertions (if not all) are directly from the hard science fiction that sprung from the Golden Age of science fiction. Many "hard science fiction" authors became popular in the late 1940's and 1950's, with incredible story lines based on insanely speculative but plausible science.

Hal Clement wrote about gravity lenses that could focus gravity waves in the early 1950's.

Gravity waves/manipulation were a common theme with Poul Anderson.

Robert Heinlein used gravity waves a lot, in one story (Number of the Beast?) they were used to travel between parallel universes.

Lazar's "assertions" were well in-line with a fan of hard science fiction.

Thank You for Pointing this Out, S.O.


I would Also like to Add this site ..

Technovelgy
technovelgy.com...

Explore the inventions, technology and ideas of science fiction writers at Technovelgy (that's tech-novel-gee!) - over 2,500 are available. Use the Timeline of Science Fiction Invention or the alphabetic Glossary of Science Fiction Technology to see them all, look for the category that interests you, or browse by favorite author / book. Browse more than 4,300 Science Fiction in the News articles.

The site Shows :
Some Inventions and Theory's that came about , into Existence
From Science Fiction, Through , Books, Pulp Magazines , to even , Movies, & TV
Its Also fact that Some of these Writers have Degrees ,
In Different Fields Science & Engineering .


Here is is a Thread I Put together Called

Ufos & Foo Fighters in Pulp Mags before 1950s
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Showing about .. UFOS ( Cigar or Disk Shape ) & Foo Fighters ( Flying Spheres )
In Different Kinds of Sci Fi Pulp Mags , and other Interesting things
like Alien Abduction, Alien Experimentation, ( Operating Table )
Terra forming , all ( accept for a few ) before The 1947 Roswell Incident ..
( That a UFO Conspiracy's Theorist would go Crazy Over )
also I saw interesting in The Pulps before 40s
showed Wall Force Fields , using either Lazar beams or Plasma Beams
or using Solar Energy


like this

Super Science Stories (1942 November )


Beam Me Up Scotty

Wonder Stories 1931 June


Even way back in 1915 they had flying disks
The Electric Experimenter December 1915


Canal Scene of Mars

Oddly looks like a Flying Saucer ( UFO )
with Pyramid Power Plants ?
I usually Keep a Update and post pics.

Solar Energy Conversion ( 1929 Pulp Mag )


Wall Force Field ( 1932 )


As a Pulp Sci Fi Collector myself

it Amazing of what some of the Writers came up with
that is indeed a Fact to day!!

for One Undeniable Truth of One Particular Sci Fi Writer

that Influence the Most Famed Rocket Scientists in the World

from One Book !
and thats Jules Verne's

From the Earth to the Moon
en.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: Soylent Green Is People

originally posted by: BlackProject
a reply to: bananasam

I still find it discusting and ignorant how people are so easily made to question lazar. Having studied his facial expressions through all interviews he ever did including his most recent interviews it can be clearly seen that lazar is telling the truth...

Or he has deluded himself into thinking he is telling the truth. There are people who tell subconscious untruths that their conscious minds think is the truth.

I am aware of these kinds of behaviour, it is was murderes can sometimes achieve. Deluding even the investigators that interview them, however thats just plain lies. This is a man who has the academic background and knows what he is talking about, all of which stands true. For you to say what you said, shows that you would rather find the far out view that he could lie so much he confused himself seems a little absurd in itself. It seems less absurd to see what this man is saying is of truths.

Considering he said himself, if you looked into him a little more. He said that when he was younger, he felt telling the world about such things meant he was doing some good however soon he realised in his mature mind that wasnt the best move. As he was quickly denied from working there and quickly ignored by the public, putting him down to be another nut. He does not wish to be in the public eye but sometimes the media at the time he spoke about his ordeal, helped save his life. Just like hackers do now, fleeing countries and using media to save their asses. It works both ways.

a reply to: Wolfenz

Nice compilation!


For me I weigh in on "NOT SURE" about Bob. My thing is his stuff for the most part being sketchy, opens the door for scientific types like me to be a skeptic. That said I am also a fan of Sherlock Holmes mystery's where by the famous quote of "whatever is left must be the truth". So, a lot of what he has pointed out leaves me with the understanding that I can accept the possibility, despite the claims here, that there is a possible truth here. It isn't a total loss on me that some of what he has said that IS FANTASTIC like the flights from area 51, leave the door open for the phrase "possibly true". But it seems lost on a lot of you. It is not settled science as some like to claim about other subjects.

I feel that being accurate in the truth is what I want to do and it is what Phages attempts or appears to many of us to attempt. It appears that way to me too, with his views on most subjects. Yet, I too feel that pompousness from his posts from time to time and that style lends to errors in critical thinking. But I have a bit of that myself, it is a natural thing when you believe you DO know something. However, as my Sun Tzu comment i have at the bottom implies about "pretending inferiority", there is a bit of an advantage for those with the "truth" in their thinking to have the ultimate tactical advantage over the arrogant in the long run when arrogance is running amok.

Bob's thoughts are not going to be easily accepted even if he is holding the proof in his hands for some of you. Others are more open minded. That open mindedness is how we progress to the next great discovery. It is true that most Science fact, if not all, was once Science Fiction.

I remain open minded with a side of skeptic.

a reply to: Justoneman

That's exactly how you should look at it. The only way discoveries are made, as you said, is when we open our minds to ALL possibilities.

People haven't looked into the "strong gravitational constant". It's exactly what Bob is saying. It's an alternative to mainstream theory with some pretty interesting evidence if you dig deep enough.

originally posted by: Enderdog

originally posted by: SkepticOverlord
a reply to: bananasam

My point is, Lazar's "science" predates Lazar.

Ed didn't originate any he says.

I don't think anyone is saying it was Lazar's original work....just that he talked about it publicly way before such knowledge was sanctioned for general release.

Rubbish, it was postulated and published by Einstein decades before. Don't try and turn this into a conspiracy - the only conspiracy is the one that builds the cult around snake oil merchants like Lazar and Greer.

Only read the first and half of the second page, but WTF? How did this get so many replies?
Bob Lazar meant gravity is a wave i.e. the force of gravity is caused by waves, as in the same sort of idea as waves in the electromagnetic spectrum.
Gravitational waves are a totally different thing. This thread should have died on the first page.

All the silly stuff, all the hoaxes, and all the people who think dust and lens flare are spirits or ghosts; it all just pushes back further and further any chance of solid scientific research ever being done, and therefore any chance of proof. Perhaps it's all just disinfo, but it seems to me more human ego and silly mistakes causing a mass of stupid.

originally posted by: Box of Rain

originally posted by: raymundoko
Seriously. I don't know how people can't get that he is just a good story teller and decided to go with a leading mathemetician's idea of how things probably are.

Because there are people who want to believe that the government secretly has alien-tech anti-gravity propulsion, and Lazar's story matched those pre-conceived notions that they desire to be true.

People have a desire to believe in the fantastic, so when a guy comes along and validates that "belief in the fantastic" with fantastic stories of his own, some people eat it all up, even with all of the holes in his story.

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The problem with BOB LAZAR is that it is OBVIOUS that he has
a LOT of engineering prowess AND SOME basic physics knowledge
which makes him "dangerous" which means it is STILL POSSIBLE
he actually DID WORK on classified propulsion systems as more
of a "Mechanical Engineer" type than as a theoretical physicist.

I am suggesting that his adamant cry of using Element 115 may
be in fact a COVER STORY for a far more plausible and very real
technology called De-Stabilization of Metastable Isotopes which
CAN provide the amount of energy needed for basic space travel
at the very least and POSSIBLY FTL travel on the more outside chance!

If you want REAL high-energy power production
via Chemical or Nuclear means may I suggest
using these METASTABLE isotopes and push
them to their energy absorption limits
so that they suddenly collapse into
another energy state releasing
enough energy that we can WARP
space and time for Faster-than-Light
space travel aka Bob Lazr's "Sport Model"

See Metastability Link:
en.wikipedia.org...

Hysteresis or Gross Energy Output is dependent upon starting input values:
en.wikipedia.org...

Nuclear Isomer:
en.wikipedia.org...


What I am suggesting to all here is that
it actually TAKES VERY LITTLE ENERGY INPUT
to cause cascade energy release of such a
nature that the following elements (rather
than the short-lived unstable Element 115)
could be used on a technically and financially
INEXPENSIVE basis to provide nearly UNLIMITED
power production!

Try these Metastable Isotopes of Common Elements:

Aluminium-23m -- Chlorine-34m
Aluminium-24m -- Chlorine-38m
Aluminium-26m -- Chromium-45m
Aluminium-32m -- Chromium-59m
Argon-32m -- Cobalt-52m
Copper-68m -- Cobalt-53m
Copper-69m -- Cobalt-54m
Copper-70m1 -- Cobalt-58m1
Copper-70m2 -- Cobalt-58m2
Copper-71m -- Cobalt-60m
Copper-72m -- Cobalt-62m
Copper-76m -- Cobalt-66m1
Gallium-64m -- Cobalt-66m2
Gallium-72m -- Cobalt-68m
Gallium-74m -- Cobalt-70m


Manganese-46m -- Lithium-10m1
Manganese-50m -- Lithium-10m2
Manganese-52m -- Iron-52m
Manganese-58m -- Iron-53m
Manganese-60m -- Iron-54m
Manganese-62m -- Iron-61m
Manganese-64m -- Iron-65m
Fluorine-18m -- Iron-67m


Scandium-42m -- Potassium-32m
Scandium-43m1 -- Potassium-38m1
Scandium-43m2 -- Potassium-38m2
Scandium-44m1 -- Potassium-40m
Scandium-44m2
Scandium-44m3 -- Nickel-63m
Scandium-45m -- Nickel-65m
Scandium-46m1 -- Nickel-67m
Scandium-46m2 -- Nickel-68m1
Scandium-47m -- Nickel-68m2
Scandium-50m -- Nickel-69m1
Scandium-54m -- Nickel-69m2
Sodium-22m -- Nickel-70m
Sodium-24m -- Niobium-93m
Sulfur-43m -- Nitrogen-11m


Zinc-61m1 -- Vanadium-44m
Zinc-61m2 -- Vanadium-46m
Zinc-61m3 -- Vanadium-54m
Zinc-65m -- Vanadium-60m1
Zinc-69m -- Vanadium-60m2
Zinc-71m
Zinc-73m1 -- Tantalum-180m
Zinc-73m2 -- Technetium-99m
Zinc-77m -- Titanium-43m1
Zinc-78m -- Titanium-43m2

And just for fun, here is the SPORT MODEL ufo
that Bob Lazar insists he worked on:

Sport Model Link:
www.gravitywarpdrive.com...

a reply to: Box of Rain

According to Kierkegaard, there are 2 ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true, and the other is to refuse to believe what IS true.

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

We already went through 1st and 2nd, 3rd has been happening for the past 30 years.

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
a reply to: Phage

You just aren't getting the message and have that old pompousness that never goes away. I gave up on you a long time ago, and you keep validating that decision every time.

Good bye.

Ok...then try me.

What sort of star could produce a stable element 115?

Because I can also make up things too that are rooted in realism:

I think that near black holes there are particles made up of 15 quarks. It's possible. Gravity is so strong there....what? You want me to show how that's possible?

a reply to: truthseeker84
Yes, Einstein did receive some ridicule. But that didn't last long.

But are you saying that all ridiculous claims are true?

originally posted by: truthseeker84
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

We already went through 1st and 2nd, 3rd has been happening for the past 30 years.

I think it's very sad that you want to believe SO badly that you can't see the very clear fact that lazar was wrong and therefore full of sh*t

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: truthseeker84
Yes, Einstein did receive some ridicule. But that didn't last long.

But are you saying that all ridiculous claims are true?

Absolutely not, however, there are things he said that is verifiable.

So, to me, that's something worth the time and effort to pay close attention.

See, here's how I differ from most.

When I see/hear/research something and I discover just 0.0001% of truth in someone's story, I tend to give them a benefit of a doubt.

What I hate seeing/hearing, is: Oh, once a liar, always a liar. Liar liar pants on fire...

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: truthseeker84
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

We already went through 1st and 2nd, 3rd has been happening for the past 30 years.

I think it's very sad that you want to believe SO badly that you can't see the very clear fact that lazar was wrong and therefore full of sh*t

Such as this gentleman's post.

a reply to: truthseeker84

Absolutely not, however, there are things he said that is verifiable.

Like what, for example? His "W2"?

this is the reason for my reply:

...# 6. the recent discovery that gravity is indeed a wave as claimed by Bob Lazar many years ago. Frankly, there is enough other evidence that we could just ignore this one if we wanted to.

the "Wave' is not a clear explanation at all... the apparent 'wave' is not more than a resonance or frequency.... like a bowl of Jello being struck which sends a shock wave throughout the entire bowl of the Jello

so it is with the massive Black-hole collapse...
the force of the collapse sent a shock-wave thru the whole observable Universe....
ergo 'gravity' is not the shock-wave itself as the sorry explanation tries to convince us is the nature of Gravity...

all we measured in receiving the shock-wave was the vibration of the time-space fabric (much like the concentric ring when something drops into a still pond of water)
Gravity did indeed cause the fabric to vibrate like a drum.... but is in no way, explains or proves that Gravity IS-A-Wave

but Gravity can cause a wave/ shock-wave to happen

originally posted by: LordSnow21
a reply to: bananasam

i like lazar, but i suspect that 90-100% of the alien info he claims he was allowed to see was a smoke screen either fabricated by him or his employers. to me it seems he's telling the truth from his perspective.

anyone can say what they will about the guy but there are a few facts that i cant just ignore:

1. bob lazar knew exactly when and where as yet unknown aircraft would be tested on more than one occasion over area 51. they filmed the thing.

2. after insisting lazar was not at los alamos, the lab had to eat their words when reporter george knapp turned up a los alamos labs phone book in which lazar was listed. (why was he deleted from their records? with the proper "motivation" could other institutions have done something simmilar?)

3. the brothel court case. there is video of this trial in wich bob presents his navy department of intelligence w2, if it were fake he would have been charged with perjury. the judge even says, "its obvious its very diffecult to get information on bob lazar from the government....ENORMOUSLY DIFFICULT."

4. no education? regardless, he posessed the level of intelligence needed to build a personal particle accellerator in his backyard to manufacture an ingredient for the fuel used in the hydrogen powered car which he also built for fun. people like to claim that if he worked at los alamos he could have been a janitor. as an expiriment, please list all of historys custodial staff who built, maintained and used personal particle accellerators in their back yards for fun. This is what matters, either he was educated somewhere and the records were lost, or perhaps they were given the same treatment as his los alamos records obviously were, or he is simply naturally gifted with an intelligence usually not achived without a very high level of education. i dont care how he got so smart, all that matteres is that evidence suggests he is indeed smart enough.

5. element 115. george knapp says the guys who discovered the element were in contact with lazar during the process. guys like to cite the fact that the 115 that was found was unstable as proof that bob made up his story. just like there are different isotopes of hydrogen, bob says there are different versions of 115. the machine used to find the element requires the particle to be unstable to even detect it. had they created the lazar isotope with the right number of neutrons they wouldnt have a clue.

6. the recent discovery that gravity is indeed a wave as claimed by Bob Lazar many years ago. Frankly, there is enough other evidence that we could just ignore this one if we wanted to.

number 1 alone is enough for me to keep an open mind.

#1 and #4 perhaps?

I'm pretty sure true Lazar fans, who's been following his story for the last 30 years can tell you more than me.

However, to me, #1 is most interesting. There are videos of it, and I do believe it's been verified as "Not Edited nor Doctored".

#4 is funny to me, because for many years, folks' been calling him a Janitor as L.A. Lab. He's a complete idiot, he is not a scientist, he is a pimp... Well, he's either all of that or perhaps none of that. Again, truth is self-evident.

I wait for the day that some of you keyboard warriors on here build a particle accelerator in your backyard. Don't forget to take photos...

While we are having this conversation, I'm am actually locating the video on YouTube, where Stanton Friedman retracted his comments about Lazar. Give me some time and I will find it and show you guys the minutes where he made another claim.

He said something akin to: "I never said that EVERYTHING Lazar said was NOT true. What I said was, here's an smart young man....."

Here you go folks, backpedaling at it's best.

Start from 10:33, that's where Stanton kicks in and .. well the rest is history.