When Bob Lazar Declared Gravity As a Wave

a reply to: truthseeker84

I wait for the day that some of you keyboard warriors on here build a particle accelerator in your backyard.

Um. Not really a big deal even if true.

CRT TV sets are particle accelerators. There is nothing really difficult about building one.


Another way:



This guy did something I knew about in high school but never built (though I did have the Van De Graf).
www.rtftechnologies.org...

originally posted by: truthseeker84

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: truthseeker84
Yes, Einstein did receive some ridicule. But that didn't last long.

But are you saying that all ridiculous claims are true?

Absolutely not, however, there are things he said that is verifiable.

So, to me, that's something worth the time and effort to pay close attention.

See, here's how I differ from most.

When I see/hear/research something and I discover just 0.0001% of truth in someone's story, I tend to give them a benefit of a doubt.

What I hate seeing/hearing, is: Oh, once a liar, always a liar. Liar liar pants on fire...

then you must spend a hell of a lot of your life believing liars. If you are happy with that, good for you!

Personaly, i believe extraordinary claims require hard proof. So, 0.001% aint cutting it. Especialy since i understand a bit more about physics and nuclear physics regarding element 115 than your average joe. Not claiming to be an expert in any way. Its just a deep interest.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: truthseeker84

I wait for the day that some of you keyboard warriors on here build a particle accelerator in your backyard.

Um. Not really a big deal even if true.

CRT TV sets are particle accelerators. There is nothing really difficult about building one.

Another way:

This guy did something I knew about in high school but never built (though I did have the Van De Graf).
www.rtftechnologies.org...

Well, Phage, no disrespects here since I'm not a scientist myself, I just love science in general but...

I don't think your high school Particle Accelerator is the same thing or even the same size as his (start at 8:57 mark):


The point, I'm trying to drive across here, is that he is not what people claim him to be. At least not everything.

He may have lied or even fabricated a story, part of a story or even completely made up some stuff that he just doesn't understand. However, that doesn't make EVERYTHING he said a lie.

Hey, don't take it from me, take it from Stan...

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: truthseeker84

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: truthseeker84
Yes, Einstein did receive some ridicule. But that didn't last long.

But are you saying that all ridiculous claims are true?

Absolutely not, however, there are things he said that is verifiable.

So, to me, that's something worth the time and effort to pay close attention.

See, here's how I differ from most.

When I see/hear/research something and I discover just 0.0001% of truth in someone's story, I tend to give them a benefit of a doubt.

What I hate seeing/hearing, is: Oh, once a liar, always a liar. Liar liar pants on fire...

then you must spend a hell of a lot of your life believing liars. If you are happy with that, good for you!

That's find and dandy for me. I'll respect your opinion while you don't have to respect mine.

originally posted by: truthseeker84

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: truthseeker84

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: truthseeker84
Yes, Einstein did receive some ridicule. But that didn't last long.

But are you saying that all ridiculous claims are true?

Absolutely not, however, there are things he said that is verifiable.

So, to me, that's something worth the time and effort to pay close attention.

See, here's how I differ from most.

When I see/hear/research something and I discover just 0.0001% of truth in someone's story, I tend to give them a benefit of a doubt.

What I hate seeing/hearing, is: Oh, once a liar, always a liar. Liar liar pants on fire...

then you must spend a hell of a lot of your life believing liars. If you are happy with that, good for you!

That's find and dandy for me. I'll respect your opinion while you don't have to respect mine.

Oh, i respect your opinion mate. I just dont like seeing people duped by liars like Lazar.

originally posted by: truthseeker84

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: truthseeker84

I wait for the day that some of you keyboard warriors on here build a particle accelerator in your backyard.

Um. Not really a big deal even if true.

CRT TV sets are particle accelerators. There is nothing really difficult about building one.

Another way:

This guy did something I knew about in high school but never built (though I did have the Van De Graf).
www.rtftechnologies.org...

Well, Phage, no disrespects here since I'm not a scientist myself, I just love science in general but...

I don't think your high school Particle Accelerator is the same thing or even the same size as his (start at 8:57 mark):

The point, I'm trying to drive across here, is that he is not what people claim him to be. At least not everything.

He may have lied or even fabricated a story, part of a story or even completely made up some stuff that he just doesn't understand. However, that doesn't make EVERYTHING he said a lie.

Hey, don't take it from me, take it from Stan...

I dont understand....i dont see a particle accelerator in that video from 8.57 onwards..did i miss something? Also, all particle accelerators are essentially the same thing...just scaled up.

EDIT: ok, i see...but you cant tell what it is . What? Just because he has a tower with a flashing light and i sign that says "radiation warning", you think he has a super duper particle accelerator? Man, no offence, but im beginning to see why people are so easily fooled.

a reply to: truthseeker84

I don't think your high school Particle Accelerator is the same thing or even the same size as his (start at 8:57 mark):

Actually, it could well be the same thing. See that ball on top, that's the Van de Graff generator I mentioned.
upload.wikimedia.org...< br />

However, that doesn't make EVERYTHING he said a lie.

Yes. I'm sure he has a very nice hydrogen powered vehicle. But he was certainly um...mistaken...about gravity being a wave.

originally posted by: truthseeker84

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: truthseeker84

I wait for the day that some of you keyboard warriors on here build a particle accelerator in your backyard.

Um. Not really a big deal even if true.

CRT TV sets are particle accelerators. There is nothing really difficult about building one.

Another way:

This guy did something I knew about in high school but never built (though I did have the Van De Graf).
www.rtftechnologies.org...

Well, Phage, no disrespects here since I'm not a scientist myself, I just love science in general but...

I don't think your high school Particle Accelerator is the same thing or even the same size as his (start at 8:57 mark):

The point, I'm trying to drive across here, is that he is not what people claim him to be. At least not everything.

He may have lied or even fabricated a story, part of a story or even completely made up some stuff that he just doesn't understand. However, that doesn't make EVERYTHING he said a lie.

Hey, don't take it from me, take it from Stan...

Question: Why would believe proven liars? Escpecially about something that they rely on to make money. He has his stories to sell and makes a bundle from it. Hes been proven wrong many times over....so why on earth would you believe him? he has everything to gain by carrying on the lie. I have nothing to gain by saying hes a liar.

Tell me, how many times will you allow someone to bullsh*t you before you say "enough is enough....i don't trust this person anymore"?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: truthseeker84

I don't think your high school Particle Accelerator is the same thing or even the same size as his (start at 8:57 mark):

Actually, it could well be the same thing. See that ball on top, that's the Van de Graff generator I mentioned.
upload.wikimedia.org...< br />

However, that doesn't make EVERYTHING he said a lie.

Yes. I'm sure he has a very nice hydrogen powered vehicle. But he was certainly um...mistaken...about gravity being a wave.

Right, that doesnt look like any particle accelerator i have ever seen. For one thing, its vertical, which would be unusual.

a reply to: 3danimator2014

The vertical tube contains the belt which generates the static charge which kicks the electrons. Van de Graffs can produce a lot of volts. I could get sparks about 6" long out of mine on a dry day and it was small one.

On the other hand Lazar's could be using a Cockcroft-Walton generator. Still, early accelerator tech.

everyone keep saying how big this is, but no one cares to explain the importance of this discovery? can we have flying cars now or what?

a reply to: reddragon2015

Nope.
It mostly just proves Einstein was right. Again.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: 3danimator2014

The vertical tube contains the belt which generates the static charge which kicks the electrons. Van de Graffs can produce a lot of volts. I could get sparks about 6" long out of mine on a dry day and it was small one.

Sorry, i should have been clearer. Yeah, i know what a de graff generator looks like, i just didnt think we were discussing them in regards to particle accelerators in this case.

We used to have a nice one in the physics dept at Exeter Uni in the UK

a reply to: 3danimator2014
It came up in my first replay about Lazar's toy.

originally posted by: reddragon2015
everyone keep saying how big this is, but no one cares to explain the importance of this discovery? can we have flying cars now or what?

At this very moment, not much. But give it 10-20 years and who knows? but Einstein was bang on the money yet again, 100 years ago. That's pretty damn impressive i would say. Also, dont forget that there will be lots of knowledge to gain from building LIGO as well as the data analysis. Again, not sure what those are yet, but there will be some.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: 3danimator2014
It came up in my first replay about Lazar's toy.

Sorry mate, i guess i missed that. I have a very bad habit of speed reading things. Which would probably explain why i stopped studying physics and became a 3d animator. MUCH easier.

"Lazars toy"...

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: truthseeker84

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: truthseeker84

I wait for the day that some of you keyboard warriors on here build a particle accelerator in your backyard.

Um. Not really a big deal even if true.

CRT TV sets are particle accelerators. There is nothing really difficult about building one.

Another way:

This guy did something I knew about in high school but never built (though I did have the Van De Graf).
www.rtftechnologies.org...

Well, Phage, no disrespects here since I'm not a scientist myself, I just love science in general but...

I don't think your high school Particle Accelerator is the same thing or even the same size as his (start at 8:57 mark):

The point, I'm trying to drive across here, is that he is not what people claim him to be. At least not everything.

He may have lied or even fabricated a story, part of a story or even completely made up some stuff that he just doesn't understand. However, that doesn't make EVERYTHING he said a lie.

Hey, don't take it from me, take it from Stan...

I dont understand....i dont see a particle accelerator in that video from 8.57 onwards..did i miss something? Also, all particle accelerators are essentially the same thing...just scaled up.

EDIT: ok, i see...but you cant tell what it is . What? Just because he has a tower with a flashing light and i sign that says "radiation warning", you think he has a super duper particle accelerator? Man, no offence, but im beginning to see why people are so easily fooled.

I'm sorry, but I do not mean to poke fun at all. However, are you saying that your high school particle accelerator can achieve the same results or performance say.. the LHC?

I don't think so right?

a reply to: truthseeker84

However, are you saying that your high school particle accelerator can achieve the same results or performance say.. the LHC?

Are you saying that Lazar's can?

An electrostatic accelerator is a very simple device. The LHC is not.

originally posted by: truthseeker84

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: truthseeker84

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: truthseeker84

I wait for the day that some of you keyboard warriors on here build a particle accelerator in your backyard.

Um. Not really a big deal even if true.

CRT TV sets are particle accelerators. There is nothing really difficult about building one.

Another way:

This guy did something I knew about in high school but never built (though I did have the Van De Graf).
www.rtftechnologies.org...

Well, Phage, no disrespects here since I'm not a scientist myself, I just love science in general but...

I don't think your high school Particle Accelerator is the same thing or even the same size as his (start at 8:57 mark):

The point, I'm trying to drive across here, is that he is not what people claim him to be. At least not everything.

He may have lied or even fabricated a story, part of a story or even completely made up some stuff that he just doesn't understand. However, that doesn't make EVERYTHING he said a lie.

Hey, don't take it from me, take it from Stan...

I dont understand....i dont see a particle accelerator in that video from 8.57 onwards..did i miss something? Also, all particle accelerators are essentially the same thing...just scaled up.

EDIT: ok, i see...but you cant tell what it is . What? Just because he has a tower with a flashing light and i sign that says "radiation warning", you think he has a super duper particle accelerator? Man, no offence, but im beginning to see why people are so easily fooled.

I'm sorry, but I do not mean to poke fun at all. However, are you saying that your high school particle accelerator can achieve the same results or performance say.. the LHC?

I don't think so right?

Did i say that? You must be reading things im not writing. I said that the principles are pretty much the same. Just as this :



is kind of the same thing as this:





And adding to what phage has said, a van de graff generator is about the simplest accelerator one can build.

a reply to: truthseeker84

Im still waiting to hear how many times you will put up with being lied to before you say you dont trust that person anymore.