CALAIS TODAY - Calais Lady explains the invasion

What's the odds that, when the citizens begin to defend themselves and give these thugs a lesson they'll never forget, the police start throwing the citizens in jail for it?

I'm guessing odds-on favourite.

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
a reply to: dollukka

The authorities are evidently being leaned on by a higher power. I can't think of another explanation for the inaction. Scary times.

They sure are, it shocks me that they would sell out their own people.

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: dollukka

I find it amazing that European governments would rather risk the deconstruction of existing culture at the expense of endorsing and allowing a more primitive one to usurp their society. It is a sign of acute political correctness when a government stifles righteous dissent of it's citizens through relentless propaganda and somehow turns victims into intolerant racists and actual intolerant racists into victims.

Wicked isn't it?

Have you ever seen anything like it?

This goes beyond political correctness,

originally posted by: dollukka
a reply to: Sublimecraft

Makes you think what is going on really. What you just wrote is exactly what is happening and events are so opposite what it should be.

Maybe CERN flipped us into alternative reality

Strong delusion.

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
a reply to: dollukka

The authorities are evidently being leaned on by a higher power. I can't think of another explanation for the inaction. Scary times.

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: dollukka

I find it amazing that European governments would rather risk the deconstruction of existing culture at the expense of endorsing and allowing a more primitive one to usurp their society. It is a sign of acute political correctness when a government stifles righteous dissent of it's citizens through relentless propaganda and somehow turns victims into intolerant racists and actual intolerant racists into victims.

No.

Now this is where it becomes clear that things are not as simply discerned as good or bad as we would like.
The "pressure" upon the government comes from the people of France.

(it is also interestingly telling that peoples of certain lands make the automatic assumption that the government is an entity completely free and dislocated from the people! )

I think this is funny to look at, because it sheds a different light on other ideas we don't always see.

Like the one that a government should listen to the people (often expressed on ATS)
Are the masses really a good source of direction on some matters?
I've heard some critics in France complain that the power is in the hands of the least educated...

When Sarcozy took some actions on the issue of illegal immigrants, the majority objected loudly, protested, and elected a socialist who was the complete opposite.

The majority is liberal here, and they have a real sense of their power in a democracy, and exercise it. Though it was Lincoln that spoke of a "government of the people, for the people, by the people" it is only here that I have actually watched that as a reality.

These people do not see it as the "deconstruction of existing culture at the expense of endorsing and allowing a more primitive one to usurp their society. " They see themselves as making a humanitarian effort to aid peoples in extreme distress. They consider that normal human behavior and duty (and not a heroic event, as the American culture tends to make of any effort of that kind).

These people are of a different mentality, they are the middle class- they help each other, they assume others will help them too, and what goes around comes around, in a continual round about. So they apply that vision of their community to the international community as well.
Do they lack vision? Do they lack a larger perspective?

I think so. But I am in the minority. That's the problem with democracy. (and it was an arab muslim that pointed that out to me).

originally posted by: Bluesma
a reply to: tony9802

Oh of course not, thank you for pointing out my typo there!
That was per month, not day.

I am speaking of Privas. This is in the south east part of France.

Rhone-Alpes Ardeche.. sounds wonderful..


I have been to the Nostradamus mueseum nearby, but it is located a bit further south if I am not mistaken..

Do you believe Sarkozy will be winning the elections next year?

originally posted by: tony9802

Rhone-Alpes Ardeche.. sounds wonderful..

It is! I quite like it!

I have been to the Nostradamus mueseum nearby, but it is located a bit further south if I am not mistaken..

Yes, Salon de Provence....my husband went to the same medical school as Nostradamus (it still exists, in Montpellier).

Do you believe Sarkozy will be winning the elections next year?

I doubt it. He has fallen so far out of favor...

a reply to: dollukka

I watched the entire video and my take was that ultimately, this "colonization" is going to have enormous detrimental effect on the French economy, and perhaps, over time, over the entire EU Zone.

This is a disaster!