Under Sanders, income and jobs would soar, economist says

a reply to: neo96

It doesn't say anything close to that. Take the rhetoric glasses off when you read.

a reply to: poncho1982

Not in a socialist society. No one excels. Everyone gets a trophy so their feelings aren't hurt, nothing exceptional exists and when (assuming they can) the could-be-exceptionals leave...the whole country falls.

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

If you're not paying someone a fair wage, why do you have the right to operate a business and profit off an economy that you don't really contribute to? Your worker pays for the roads that bring customers to your business or carry your product on the same as you do.

Oops!

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
a reply to: poncho1982

Not in a socialist society. No one excels. Everyone gets a trophy so their feelings aren't hurt, nothing exceptional exists and when (assuming they can) the could-be-exceptionals leave...the whole country falls.

Only the ultra-insiders get more.

The ultra-Administrators.

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

I often have to wait for people to answer me or deal with the fact they found my post inane or too complex for them to reply to.


Ya, oops... too late though, I saw it. Why do you feel entitled to my replies?

Bernie Sanders obviously wants the poor and middle-class Americans to earn more money, and this will result in them having more money to be taxed and more money to spend to boost the economy. He is not a fan of the rich bankers, so they would probably be worse off with him in office.

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

If you're not paying someone a fair wage, why do you have the right to operate a business and profit off an economy that you don't really contribute to? Your worker pays for the roads that bring customers to your business or carry your product on the same as you do.

A fair wage is any wage that someone takes as their pay. If it is not fair, don't take it. The reason I have the right to operate a business is because it is my right. I'm allowed. If I start my business and profit from selling products (for example), I pay taxes, I pay for roads as does my business. What would you have...me paying 50K to someone that greets people at the door while drooling on themselves?

I think you are missing some education on this idea. It basically works like this. I might make 30K myself. But I start a business and after taking all the financial risk, maybe re-mortgaging my home...I make my business a success. It makes millions and pays hundreds of thousands in taxes and employees people at a pay rate they decided was fair enough for them.

So...I could have just kept paying tax on 30K, but instead, I now pay tax on millions of dollars. THAT HELPS THE ECONOMY!!!! Damn...I'm a fracking hero!!!!

Business 101.

a reply to: Kali74

No problem...just changed my mind and responded above.

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

Oh and here's another reply, an expansion on my last post. You're so impatient I don't want you to miss it....

So if you counter that your worker gets all of their income tax plus a little extra and cry that it's the government giving them welfare... consider this:

The government isn't subsidizing your workers laziness or inability to get another job, they're subsidizing you 'growing' your profit margin. You're the economic drain, not them.

a reply to: Kali74

It doesn't ?

The American people must make a fundamental decision. Do we continue the 40-year decline of our middle class and the growing gap between the very rich and everyone else, or do we fight for a progressive economic agenda that creates jobs, raises wages, protects the environment and provides health care for all?

Gee i wonder what wages would be if HE and his ilk were printing so much money, Create taxes out of thin air, and regulated business out of existence ?

I wonder what that wage would be if employers were shelling out for employees medicare,social security,employee unemployment benefits.

Are we prepared to take on the enormous economic and political power of the billionaire class, or do we continue to slide into economic and political oligarchy?

There's that word Tenth used, but i doubt the majority of Sanders supporters even know what an 'oligarch' is.

Of course there are some exceptions.

Why yes all 'my' problems are because of some 'billionaire'.

Pay no attention to career politicians like Sanders trying to sell ice water to eskimos, and they are buying it in droves.

berniesanders.com...

Sanders is full of crap.

Classic smoke and mirrors. MISDIRECTION.

Because we all know politicians aren't responsible for 'anything'.

I don't get why Sanders supporters like to think they are so smart, and yet be so NAIVE.

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

In other words, you know that they're are plenty of people desperate enough to work for your cheap ass... maybe you find a good worker out of it even, ultimately you are exploiting someone's desperation.

Now... I'm going to take a shower before bed, that okay with you?

a reply to: Kali74

How is my business a drain paying hundreds of thousands in taxes to the government for the roads, etc. instead of me just being an employee paying a few thousand in taxes? I'm a hero for starting a business and contributing more to society in taxes than any individual can. And...I employ individuals who may not have a job otherwise and they also pay taxes.

All because I started a business.

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

Look at the liberals in this thread supporting the idea that everyone paying the same percentage in taxes being unfair.

Yeah that's just people who don't understand economics, I'll have to agree with you on that.

And yeah, maybe humans can't be fair, but that's no excuse to just let things keep getting worse. I like radical ideas, because they result in centrist policies.

Usually.


a reply to: neo96

You're just being hyperbolic, and it's hard to take you seriously when all you do is yell fire instead of providing your own ideas and solutions to the problems.

~Tenth

a reply to: tothetenthpower

You're just being hyperbolic, and it's hard to take you seriously when all you do is yell fire instead of providing your own ideas and solutions to the problems. ~Tenth

Must have mistaken me for that guy named Bernie Sanders.

a reply to: neo96

But, but.....it's different this time. It's Bernie. Obama is just Bernie Lite. If he gets in, we'll be wishing Obama was back. Jeez...Imagine thinking Obama at the helm was "the good ol' days"

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

In other words, you know that they're are plenty of people desperate enough to work for your cheap ass... maybe you find a good worker out of it even, ultimately you are exploiting someone's desperation.

Now... I'm going to take a shower before bed, that okay with you?

Wow...a little venom there huh? But please do shower. I'll respond anyway. Business makes society wealthy. It employs, it pays taxes, it provides services that usually save people money, it pays their health care and...for some it gives them purpose. I actually have a very small business myself. Let me tell you about it and then you can decide if I'm an evil business owner.

I run an online business that last year made 22K. I decided to take that 22K this year and pay it to my one and first employee. In other words...I'm no longer making 22K extra (I work full time also). I'm paying it to another person. With that employee freeing me up for more important work...this year we will make 50K or more. I'm probably going to leave my full time job and work with my employee to grow the business further. I also have a partner who isn't taking anything but doing some work for the business. In the end...it could be a 200K per year business that employs three of us. We pay taxes and we provide a service. We will also be employing ourselves instead of relying on another business to pay us.

So...I guess I'm one of those evil companies. I gave up 22K to give to another. I risk my money, time and everything in hopes of becoming self-sufficient. Horrible stuff...huh?

a reply to: neo96

He actually has policy to look at Neo, you have rhetoric..

I'd much rather read policy that's a bit pie in the sky really. Let me ask you this, to you at least agree with his wanting to remove Citizens United?

~Tenth

a reply to: Irishhaf

The thing is, those same companies pay those higher taxes and have to invest in the socialist programs of the countries they already operate in. Except the U.S.A.
I work for a multi national corporation with it's biggest operating base being in the U.S. Although we work for the same company, I have access to free healthcare, time off work for me and my partner when having a child on full pay, 28 days of holidays per year and all the benefits of that because my country mandates it.
Yet my counterpart in the U.S doesn't get those same benefits even though we work for the same company.
It's still capitalism but if you have a healthy, happy and motivated workforce then it's usually good for business.
To do that you need to have socialist programs and Bernie has the benefit of seeing what programs worked for which countries and which didn't.

originally posted by: elitegamer23
money.cnn.com...

Median income would soar by more than $22,000. Nearly 26 million jobs would be created. The unemployment rate would fall to 3.8%.

In addition, poverty would plummet to a record low 6%, as opposed to the CBO's forecast of 13.9%. The U.S. economy would grow by 5.3% per year, instead of 2.1%, and the nation's $1.3 trillion deficit would turn into a large surplus by Sanders' second term.

Unreal numbers and if they were made possible it could only help out everyone in the USA , including corporate America.

Of course people on the other side of the political spectrum will argue these numbers because that is what American politics are anymore. I'm not saying these are correct assumptions , for I am not an economist , but it's a nice change to see something positive about the future of America .

We could always just stay on the same path that democrats and republicans have put us on for the last 30 years, or we could look forward to an optimistic outlook on America.

I'm not here to argue about socialism, right or left, right or wrong.

Just wanted to share this article I ran across with ats.

So basically a guy who's worked with Sanders before, and is a socialist like Sanders, is telling us how good this is..

By god it must be true!

/s