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originally posted by: Gryphon66
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I will cede your point if Westboro Baptist Church speaks for all Christianity.
Does it? Yes or no? Simple answer.
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Meanwhile in the real world:
Not to mention the fact that you list five people that you spuriously claim represents Islam.
I'll do the math for you: 5/1,300,000,000 = 0.000000000003 of Islam.
Boko Haram Burned Children Alive In Latest Attack, At Least 86 Dead
Houses were torched, suicide bombers detonated devices, and militants opened fire near Nigeria's largest northeastern city.
Written By NewsOne Staff
6 days ago
At least 86 people were killed in the latest attack reportedly carried out by radical Islamist militant group Boko Haram — an attack said to include the burning of children’s bodies in Dalori village, three miles from Maiduguri, Nigeria.
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Islamic State beheads four children for refusing to convert to Islam
December 9, 2014 11:26 am By Robert Spencer
Islam forbids forced conversion — “There is no compulsion in religion” (Qur’an 2:256). However, what is considered “forced” is more elastic than the Western view. Muhammad is represented in a hadith as saying that Muslims should take up arms against non-Muslims who refuse to convert or submit: “Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war…When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them…. If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah’s help and fight them.” (Sahih Muslim 4294)
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Hadith (/ˈhædɪθ/[1] or /hɑːˈdiːθ/;[2] Arabic: حديث ḥadīṯ, plural: أحاديث, ʼaḥādīṯ) are collections of the reports claiming to quote what the prophet Muhammad said verbatim on any matter.[3] The term comes from the Arabic meaning "report", "account" or "narrative". Hadith are second only to the Quran in developing Islamic jurisprudence, [4] and regarded as important tools for understanding the Quran and commentaries (tafsir) on it. Many important elements of traditional Islam such as the five salat prayers, are mentioned in hadith but not the Quran. Different hadith are regarded with different levels of importance by different Muslims, although all variants emphasize the Sunnah.
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Is This the End of Christianity in the Middle East?
ISIS and other extremist movements across the region are enslaving, killing and uprooting Christians, with no aid in sight.
By ELIZA GRISWOLDJULY 22, 2015
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Christian Persecution in 2015 at ‘Levels Akin to Ethnic Cleansing’
Posted on January 21, 2016
Clarion Project, Jan. 20, 2015:
Persecution of Christians is on the rise, with 2015 the most violent year in modern history for members of the faith. That is the conclusion of a new report by Open Doors USA, a non-profit group that has been monitoring Christian persecution worldwide since 1955.
The group says last year persecution of Christians reached “a level akin to ethnic cleansing,”
The report notes, “Islamic extremism remains by far the most common driver of persecution: in eight out of the top 10, and 35 out of the top 50 countries, it is the primary cause. A rise in Islamic extremism sees Pakistan at its highest position ever, and Libya entering the top ten for the first time.”
Worldwide, the report notes, according to conservative estimates and excluding North Korea, Syria and Iraq (where records do not exist), over 7,000 Christians were killed for faith-related reasons in this past year – a rise of almost 3,000 from the previous year.
Close to 2,400 churches were attacked or damaged – over double the number for last year.
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An important element to understanding Islamic extremism in the United States is the number of religious non-governmental organizations (NGOs) with either alleged or proven ties to Islamist groups abroad. These groups do not promote violence or terrorism, but propagate an extremist message that can lead others to violence. Zeyno Baran testified before the Senate Committee for Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs that "over the course of four decades, Islamists have taken over the leadership in almost all Islam related areas in America.
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ISLAMIC SOCIETY OF NORTH AMERICA (ISNA)
6555 S. County Rd. - 750 E.
Plainfield, IN
46168
110 Maryland Avenue NE - Suite #304
Washington, DC
20002
Enforces extremist Wahhabi theological writ in America’s mosques
Established by U.S-based members of the Muslim Brotherhood who also had a background as leaders of the Muslim Students Association
Largest Muslim organization in North America
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These groups do not promote violence or terrorism, but propagate an extremist message that can lead others to violence.
Islam, the religion, deals with piety, ethics, and beliefs, and can be compatible with secular liberal democracy and basic civil liberties.
originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: ElectricUniverse
Nope not insane.
You offered five individuals as your evidence of "Radical Islam." I can't help it if you were lazy and made poor choices. I pointed out the absurdity of your claim, and I'm the one that's stupid?
LOL. Sure, okay, whatever.
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You grossly ignore the reality of the situation. It's mere political rhetoric.
And off-topic. Best.
Zeyno Baran is a Turkish American scholar on issues ranging from US-Turkey relations to Islamist ideology to energy security in Europe and Asia. Wikipedia
originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: ElectricUniverse
Nope not insane.
You offered five individuals as your evidence of "Radical Islam." I can't help it if you were lazy and made poor choices. I pointed out the absurdity of your claim, and I'm the one that's stupid?
LOL. Sure, okay, whatever.
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You grossly ignore the reality of the situation. It's mere political rhetoric.
And off-topic. Best.
Wow, nice job there in trying to make this about me and attacking me... BTW, I wrote your comment is stupid and ignorant I addressed your argument and it is stupid and ignorant when the news all over the world shows the contrary to what you, and the Obama administration want to claim...
How the hell is it off topic to show some of the atrocities being committed by Islamic extremists in a threat about the DHS deleting information about radical Muslims?... This shows the reality that radical Islam is much bigger threat than you, or the Obama administration want to admit it is...
The Washington, D.C.-based Hudson Institute is part of a closely-knit group of neoconservative policy institutes that champion aggressive, Israel-centric U.S. foreign policies. Founded in 1961 by several dyed-in-the-wool Cold Warriors, including Herman Kahn—a one-time RAND nuclear war theorist notorious for his efforts to develop "winnable" nuclear war strategies—Hudson describes itself as "a nonpartisan policy research organization dedicated to innovative research and analysis that promotes global security, prosperity, and freedom."
Although the institute calls itself a "non-partisan" organization, its scholars and work tend to reflect a deep ideological affiliation with militaristic security policies, as well as an anti-Islamic and right-wing "pro-Israel" posture with respect to the Middle East. For instance, in March 2015, Hudson hosted hawkish Sen. Tom Cotton (R-AR), who used the Hudson perch to allege that President Obama has a "tendency" to give terrorists "a hand and help them off the mat."
The above are just some of the things Islamic extremists are doing... But you, and the Obama administration want to claim there is no threat from radical Islam?...
originally posted by: xuenchen
originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: xuenchen
What work?
Do you know anything about Philip Haney?
More than you could possibly imagine.
originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: xuenchen
What work?
Do you know anything about Philip Haney?
Trained as an entomologist, retired DHS employee Philip Haney used his skills of observation and attention to detail at the Customs and Border Protection agency to keep Americans safe from violent jihadists. Haney says it all comes down to “follow the trail, find the nest.”
Challenging these policy changes up his DHS chain of command, and then to the Department’s Inspector General, Haney’s courage and tenacity to protect Americans only ended up putting a target on his own back. Of Haney’s records, 67 were deleted. He faced discipline and retaliation, until he finally retired in July of this year after enduring significant personal and professional “trauma and difficulty.”