Turkey says Russian jet violated its airspace again , Russian envoy summoned

a reply to: ken10

Yeah right, And I suppose if you were a Turkish pilot in a F-16 you wouldn't hesitate to lock onto a SU-34 knowing an S-400 system would be covering it.

If it's in Turkish airspace I will as that would be my right, but if Russia downs a Turkish jet over Turkish territory they would be seeing a response they couldn't handle.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

Ukraine and Georgia belong to Russia. They are part of their near abroad, they do not belong to the USA/NATO/western business elite.

Turkey is sponsoring the extermination of Christians and other minorities in their heartland of the middle east. Total insanity that the Turks are allowed into NATO (but anything that hurts Russians is good for the Yanks) then we have Turkish genocide against Christians over the past 100 years in Armenia. 100 years of genocide against Christians, only Russia stands up for Christians and the Turks get USA/NATO tech and support for genocide

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: Jonjonj

The jet was not shot down. It is clear, if clarity was needed, that Turkey can not do what it wants in the hope of drawing in the rest of NATO.

Turkey can do what it wants when it comes to violation of their airspace...Turkey doesn't have to have NATO or their permission to protect their airspace.

They aren't trying to bring NATO into their problems with Russia...they can act as an individual country.

There is a common theme here regarding Turkey.

Yep, Russia hasn't learned their lesson when it comes to not violating Turkish airspace.

You clearly missed what I said. Let us start again.

I said that Turkey can not hope to bring NATO into their issues.

a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

Yeah this is no lumbering old bomber. I have to wonder if maybe this was a provocation. I suspect this weapons system is not nearly as easy to shoot out of the sky, and this time they're ready for aggressive action from the Turks.

-dex

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
Ukraine and Georgia belong to Russia. They are part of their near abroad, they do not belong to the USA/NATO/western business elite.

There I was thinking that Georgia and Ukraine were sovereign nations! The problem here is that this "ownership" mentality exists. The reason why all the ex-Soviet vassals have run, or are running to the West, is that they hate what Russia represents. Poverty, corruption, autocracy and subservience.

Dragging us back to topic.

With the Russian economy falling to pieces, the government and media, run by Putin, will gain by a confrontation with Turkey, because it will stir nationalism and divert attention from the crap lives Russians lead with increasing repression and worsening prospects.

There won't be war, but those who are putting all their eggs in the "S400 is king" basket needs to remember that the Turkish military is more than capable of overrunning and / or dismantling the Russian enclave in Syria, including sinking the Russian navy. It won't happen, so those seem to want a confrontation can dream on. Oh, and can the S400 shoot down low flying SOM cruise missiles? No.

Erdogan is not bluffing and Nato is not needed.

originally posted by: WeDemBoyz
Putin has been getting bold as of late...time for someone to remind him of Russia's place in the world. Totally Napoleon syndrome!

The greeks should start shooting down all turkish war planes that violate greek airspace on a daily basis. Then piont to the turks, we are following your example hypocrites!

originally posted by: Jonjonj

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: Jonjonj

The jet was not shot down. It is clear, if clarity was needed, that Turkey can not do what it wants in the hope of drawing in the rest of NATO.

Turkey can do what it wants when it comes to violation of their airspace...Turkey doesn't have to have NATO or their permission to protect their airspace.

They aren't trying to bring NATO into their problems with Russia...they can act as an individual country.

There is a common theme here regarding Turkey.

Yep, Russia hasn't learned their lesson when it comes to not violating Turkish airspace.

You clearly missed what I said. Let us start again.

I said that Turkey can not hope to bring NATO into their issues.

you are saying that Russia,Syria,Iran can hope to fight a Nato country ; 1 vs 3 , to dominate world energy markets .

Kind a defeats the purpose of NATO , does it not ?

I suppose you would object if Poland & Germany Next , would you ?

originally posted by: MegaSpace
The greeks should start shooting down all turkish war planes that violate greek airspace on a daily basis. Then piont to the turks, we are following your example hypocrites!

it is not Greek airspace , despite what Athens claims.

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: MegaSpace
The greeks should start shooting down all turkish war planes that violate greek airspace on a daily basis. Then piont to the turks, we are following your example hypocrites!

it is not Greek airspace , despite what Athens claims.

Yes im aware of turkish pseudo claims of areas that aren't theirs. Turks teach at school certain greek islands are theirs too, doesn't make it theirs. Its what international boundries recognise that really count whether you like it or not.
www.businessinsider.com.au...

double post.

Back to topic

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: Jonjonj

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: Jonjonj

The jet was not shot down. It is clear, if clarity was needed, that Turkey can not do what it wants in the hope of drawing in the rest of NATO.

Turkey can do what it wants when it comes to violation of their airspace...Turkey doesn't have to have NATO or their permission to protect their airspace.

They aren't trying to bring NATO into their problems with Russia...they can act as an individual country.

There is a common theme here regarding Turkey.

Yep, Russia hasn't learned their lesson when it comes to not violating Turkish airspace.

You clearly missed what I said. Let us start again.

I said that Turkey can not hope to bring NATO into their issues.

you are saying that Russia,Syria,Iran can hope to fight a Nato country ; 1 vs 3 , to dominate world energy markets .

Kind a defeats the purpose of NATO , does it not ?

I suppose you would object if Poland & Germany Next , would you ?

Perhaps there should be a comprehension exam in here. No. No idea. No.

originally posted by: MegaSpace

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: MegaSpace
The greeks should start shooting down all turkish war planes that violate greek airspace on a daily basis. Then piont to the turks, we are following your example hypocrites!

it is not Greek airspace , despite what Athens claims.

Yes im aware of turkish pseudo claims of areas that aren't theirs. Turks teach at school certain greek islands are theirs too, doesn't make it theirs. Its what international boundries recognise that really count whether you like it or not.
www.businessinsider.com.au...

Utter nonsense .

International Law is based on mutual consent and Turks have not given their consent .

Anyone who has a slightest idea of the situation is aware as to how stupid this claim is .

originally posted by: Jonjonj

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: Jonjonj

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: Jonjonj

The jet was not shot down. It is clear, if clarity was needed, that Turkey can not do what it wants in the hope of drawing in the rest of NATO.

Turkey can do what it wants when it comes to violation of their airspace...Turkey doesn't have to have NATO or their permission to protect their airspace.

They aren't trying to bring NATO into their problems with Russia...they can act as an individual country.

There is a common theme here regarding Turkey.

Yep, Russia hasn't learned their lesson when it comes to not violating Turkish airspace.

You clearly missed what I said. Let us start again.

I said that Turkey can not hope to bring NATO into their issues.

you are saying that Russia,Syria,Iran can hope to fight a Nato country ; 1 vs 3 , to dominate world energy markets .

Kind a defeats the purpose of NATO , does it not ?

I suppose you would object if Poland & Germany Next , would you ?

Perhaps there should be a comprehension exam in here. No. No idea. No.

Do you understand what happens to world energy markets if Russia is allowed to settle in Mesopotamia ?

Clearly not.

a reply to: gortex

The turks should expect much more than the casual fly over of a Russian fighter in the future, if what is being said is true. If it is true, that the Turks are preparing some attack or a buffer zone around their border to continue their "war" effort inside Syria, then the Russians would be 100% correct in creating the scenario where the Turks reveal their hand, and provide the opportunity for Russia to make a pre-emptive strike.

And we shouldn't underestimate NATO's reactions, and ability to fuel up the scenario by "bold" behind the doors insurances to Turkey, by Europe. Fact of the matter is, that the scenario in Syria shows two things. Turkey doesn't have a flying chance in hell ... and I question the ability of European NATO forces. It's really between the Russians and Americans. My take on the entire middle east scenario, is that the US has been played for the past 20 years ... question is, are they still allowing themselves to be played.

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: ken10
If it's in Turkish airspace I will as that would be my right, but if Russia downs a Turkish jet over Turkish territory they would be seeing a response they couldn't handle.

Really ...

Are you on the CIA payroll, maybe? it would explain a lot about the US continuous line of mistakes over the past 22 years.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Ukraine and Georgia belong to Russia.

No they don't.

They are part of their near abroad, they do not belong to the USA/NATO/western business elite.

No they aren't...and nobody said they did.

Turkey is sponsoring the extermination of Christians and other minorities in their heartland of the middle east

Prove it?

Assad is doing the same thing but that's okay to you...right, because he is anti west?

Total insanity that the Turks are allowed into NATO (but anything that hurts Russians is good for the Yanks) then we have Turkish genocide against Christians over the past 100 years in Armenia. 100 years of genocide against Christians, only Russia stands up for Christians and the Turks get USA/NATO tech and support for genocide

Keep believing Russia stands up for christians while killing them to push their agenda in Syria.

Indiscriminate bombing doesn't care what religion you are...and Russia knows this and keeps doing it.

But it's okay because Russia is the victim here right...they would never do wrong. (except in Ukraine and Georgia) both sovereign countries that Russia has no claim to and hasn't for over 20 years.

a reply to: bjarneorn

Really ...

Are you on the CIA payroll, maybe? it would explain a lot about the US continuous line of mistakes over the past 22 years.

You see the funny thing is I hold the US responsible for their mistakes...do you do the same for Russia, Syria and other countries that have done the same?

As for the CIA payroll...really?

Is that all you can do is think someone is a CIA plant because they defend the country they love...amazing.

I think we are straying off topic here. There is a tradition that the Turks and the Greeks violate each other’s airspace. It's one way that has kept both air forces particularly well trained, something Putin will be aware of.

This topic is about Russian infringements into Turkish airspace in an area where there are real tensions. Russia needs to be more careful and less confrontational, although as has already been said, it's in Putin's interest to keep the antagonism going to divert attention the economic woes in Russia.

Nothing will come of it. Those who want conflict will be disappointed. Russia will doubtless continue to bait. Russia’s economy will continue to fail. The Russian propaganda machine led by RT.com et al will continue to taunt and bully. The Greeks and thee Turks will continue to their mistrust of each other. Same old, same old.