Turkey says Russian jet violated its airspace again , Russian envoy summoned

The incident happened yesterday and involved a Russian SU-34 jet which allegedly entered Turkish airspace , Turkey says it's an indication that Russia want an escalation of the tensions between them.

Officials claimed the Su-34 jet ignored several warnings delivered both in Russian and in English by radar units before travelling into Turkish airspace.
The alleged incursion would be the latest in a serious of diplomatic incidents between the two countries, prompting Ankara to call in the Russian ambassador.

“This violation is a concrete indication of Russia’s acts aiming to escalate problems, despite the clear warning by our country and by Nato,” Turkey’s foreign ministry said.
www.theguardian.com...

More tension between two major players in the region can't be seen as anything other than a bad thing , what would Russia do if they lost another jet to the Turkish and how many incursions will Turkey allow before they shoot down another Russian jet ?

We live in troubling times.

a reply to: gortex

Turkey claims Russian aircraft violates its airspace

Spokesman for the Russian embassy in Ankara Igor Mityakov confirmed to a TASS correspondent that the meeting took place. "We confirm that the meeting took place. We do not make public its contents," he said.

Turkey might be OK at ambushing Su-24 but intercepting a Su-34 is another story.

Notice that Turkey didn't send any planes to intercept, They know S-400 system would blow them out of the sky....haha

As of today , Turkish pilots are told to shoot first and ask second .

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Then the West will see how effective the S-400 really is....I suppose, seeing as Russia has stated anything that threatens their military will be destroyed.

Turkey says Russian jet violated its airspace again , Russian envoy summoned

So it seems Russia hasn't learned that Turkey is not playing games when it come to violations of their airspace.

I guess learning from one's mistake isn't practiced in Russia.

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Then the West will see how effective the S-400 really is....I suppose, seeing as Russia has stated anything that threatens their military will be destroyed.

They will never use them to bring a NATO country's plane down...because when they do they may not like the reaction to their action.

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Notice that Turkey didn't send any planes to intercept, They know S-400 system would blow them out of the sky....haha

Do you really think they would do it to a Turkish jet in Turkish territory?

Not exactly a smart move if they tried.

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
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Notice that Turkey didn't send any planes to intercept, They know S-400 system would blow them out of the sky....haha

Do you really think they would do it to a Turkish jet in Turkish territory?

Not exactly a smart move if they tried.

Why not, The Turks shot down that SU-24 over Syria...Russia can say they never violated Turkish airspace when they defended their plane from a hostile attack.

I mean, so far it has never been proven the last plane (SU-24) overflew Turkish airspace when it was shot down....so it can fly both ways.

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: ken10

Then the West will see how effective the S-400 really is....I suppose, seeing as Russia has stated anything that threatens their military will be destroyed.

They will never use them to bring a NATO country's plane down...because when they do they may not like the reaction to their action.

I'm pretty sure that when Russia made the statement threatening to destroy ANY threat to their military, they didn't give a frack who that be.

Putin has been getting bold as of late...time for someone to remind him of Russia's place in the world. Totally Napoleon syndrome!

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Yep, the rebuttal would be F-22s and, possibly, F-35s...end of S-400s.

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I'm pretty sure that when Russia made the statement threatening to destroy ANY threat to their military, they didn't give a frack who that be.

Seems he does or Russia would have followed up on that threat.

Turkey has warned them enough...if they lose another plane because of Putin's ego he is the only one to blame.

originally posted by: ken10
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Then the West will see how effective the S-400 really is....I suppose, seeing as Russia has stated anything that threatens their military will be destroyed.

You have way way to much faith in those things. They have been out since 2007 (should have been out in 2001 but, it had to many problems) and if you think the West has not been planning on dealing with them for the last decade then your fooling yourself. They are a pain to hunt and kill thus would require more resources for a longer duration for jamming and EW but, they are no way shape or form some unstoppable super weapon. Russian built SAM systems have a pretty terrible track record against western counter measures.

As for the OP, the Russian seem to have a problem with navigation both in the air and on the ground. With elite units getting lost in Ukraine and Russian aircraft wandering over borders. While they have gotten better since the mess in Georgia I am beginning to think the Russians need to put more money into navigation.

The jet was not shot down. It is clear, if clarity was needed, that Turkey can not do what it wants in the hope of drawing in the rest of NATO.

There is a common theme here regarding Turkey.

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Why not, The Turks shot down that SU-24 over Syria...Russia can say they never violated Turkish airspace when they defended their plane from a hostile attack.

Has yet to be proven true.

And yet it did...and not the first time either.

Turkey has the right to defend it's airspace, and has shown it's serious. So what hostile attack was it receiving over Turkey?

Once you get the warning that you have the possibility of getting a plane shot down you don't press your luck...something Russia hasn't learned yet.

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: ken10

I'm pretty sure that when Russia made the statement threatening to destroy ANY threat to their military, they didn't give a frack who that be.

Seems he does or Russia would have followed up on that threat.

Turkey has warned them enough...if they lose another plane because of Putin's ego he is the only one to blame.

Putin's ego? You have to be kidding. Russia is attempting to defend Syria a secular state and one that protects Christians against Turkish sponsored Islamic terrorism.

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The jet was not shot down. It is clear, if clarity was needed, that Turkey can not do what it wants in the hope of drawing in the rest of NATO.

Turkey can do what it wants when it comes to violation of their airspace...Turkey doesn't have to have NATO or their permission to protect their airspace.

They aren't trying to bring NATO into their problems with Russia...they can act as an individual country.

There is a common theme here regarding Turkey.

Yep, Russia hasn't learned their lesson when it comes to not violating Turkish airspace.

originally posted by: MrSpad

originally posted by: ken10
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Then the West will see how effective the S-400 really is....I suppose, seeing as Russia has stated anything that threatens their military will be destroyed.

You have way way to much faith in those things.

Yeah right, And I suppose if you were a Turkish pilot in a F-16 you wouldn't hesitate to lock onto a SU-34 knowing an S-400 system would be covering it.

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Putin's ego? You have to be kidding. Russia is attempting to defend Syria a secular state and one that protects Christians against Turkish sponsored Islamic terrorism.

Yes his ego...Ukraine and Georgia has shown his ego is bigger than the whole of Russia.

So you are fine with that secular state that kills it's own people with impunity...because that is what Assad has been doing for years, as he is an equal opportunity killer.