Baddogma's Meta Cafe- Polite Discussions About Scientific Mysticism and General Weirdness

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
*raises hand*

I just wanna say that I have no freaking clue what ya'll are talking about anymore, and quite frankly It's quite amusing. I feel like every time I dip in here there's some kind of odd party going on with people in strange costumes listening to weird songs and eating/drinking strange foods and chanting in odd languages.

Then, I look around with my mouth agape wondering what is up...and slowly creep backwards out of the thread more confused than the last time I entered. And I wonder if I even dare to look again...

Said the sagey bloke backing out the door in a pith helmet.

a reply to: beansidhe

Would have expected something else to have happened if i passed - this was a few years back.

The reason i think fail or maybe its just a fear thing is that i 'felt' all powerful and that i could do/be anything (which does sound like a pass ) but i'm not sure i really want that sort of power - heck i barely trust myself with power tools never mind that 'sort' of power/control.(fear/superstition or common sense talking?)

It would be difficult knowing what to do and possibly more importantly what not to do with it.

My mind is whirring between the hassle/difficulties of being a 'supreme being' and all the baggage that would/must entail (from my human perspective anyway) and the idea that it's just our human frailties and fears that stop us from 'learning' whatever it is we are supposed to while here so we can move on to whatever is next.

"Fear is the mind killer" from Dune but is a common theme throughout history and seems to be a central tenet of much esoteric tradition in that we cannot progress without first letting go of our fears.

Struggling to communicate what i am trying to say here as my 'mind' is jumping about too much.

Beansidhe - i have been wanting to ask whereabouts you are but realise you may well not want to say I was born in Montrose and mainly raised in Lenzie, but also lived in Edinburgh for a few years before i moved down here. Try and get back every year to renew my 'soul' in the mountains ( I really miss them) be up soon for another grand tour of mainly the North and West - love those single track roads and you can't beat 'The Pass of the Cattle' or 'Bealach na Bà' if you prefer

For those unaware of this road - search link and take your pic of many videos

Anyway as usual i digress..

a reply to: johnb

You're a Pict? Hey neighbour, I'll U2U you in case I kicked your arse once.

I guess there's a balance between omnipotence and fear, there is some middle ground. And holding your own without letting fear distract you is a particular kind of power that won't hurt anyone else. But knowing what you want I suppose comes first, then it's just a matter of holding steady until you get there.
I agree, we can't learn or move forward without standing on the edge of something and daring to step into whatever 'it' may be.
Applecross is gorgeous; my mother is from Scourie and there is something incredible about the scenery in that part of the world. I could never live too far from it, I would miss it too much.

a reply to: beansidhe

Primarily from seals in terms of noting the contextual relationship of the Constellations such as found on the Dilmun Seals, but in order to understand what those constellations were related to of course you're reliant upon texts, so for example if i consider Orion as having related to Admin then it's because of Sumerian Orion Associations

...the servant, who is acquainted with the secrets of An, Ninsubura the chief servant, the shining crown of heaven, the messenger of good tidings, the goddess who turns what affects me into something good, who loves the directions of An and with­ out whom Enlil does not give orders to the great gods

But i also sourced a lot of seals showing Ninshubur as Orion in her relationship to the Bull Taurus and also Canis Major in terms of it's earliest identification as a spider Goddess, Uttu.

These were ancient traditions rapidly falling into obscurity and confusion even during the Sumerian period, there isn't really any contemporary understanding of this, not even in Academia, i sort of prefer things that way because the role of Ninshubur is smooth and effective transition with minimal disruption, remaining unseen in the background, the highest principles of Admin.

a reply to: Kantzveldt

Ah, got you, thanks. I would agree that most stories are stories of the stars, we see it cross culturally. I was wondering about the ascending order of steps, but ok it's by association with these figures, written in the literature. Can you hear my brain clanking yet?

It's annoying that they wouldn't have seen the tree exactly in the sky, but I guess they charted it and actually, it's more of a journey up the tree as you watch it move past you - you would consider yourself ascended by morning. (Not you personally, obviously). How does the Milky Way fit in with their constellations, since that is the river/path in more Northern stories?

originally posted by: Kantzveldt
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Important to realize also that there is no longer anyone that recognizes this particular framework or considers themselves to be working within it with regards to the belief system, though they have an exploitative hierarchical system somewhat loosely based upon it.

My reconstruction has been from scratch, the lights may be back on in admin but otherwise all other areas are only frequented by ghosts, it's simply been a case of getting in touch with the Divine heads of all departments and persuading them to get things up and running again, or at least guarantee future support, not so easy when they're all non-existential phenomena, that also requires of course the full backing and authority of Anu.

At a given point when everything is in place it's a question of shifting our current paradigm, getting the green light to put that adjustment into full effect, bringing the ghosts back to life.

I'm totally fascinated by your effort.

Truly.

How you plan on getting the gods back in power, to smite their enemies and clean house on the Earth; i could listen to you all day. And hopefully I would not be considered an enemy, though I imagine I'll pass well before any such events might unfold.

I must be straight-foreword here however... your desired future would seem like a long-shot. No disrespect intended.

Kev

a reply to: Baddogma

This is another public servicey post again.

I really want to re-iterate, that I do not personally find various of the details I get pumped to discuss so whiz-bang. In the Yoga and other Eastern traditions it would be pretty bad form to discuss all this stuff which would tend to lead others astray.. enticing them from living a simple and happy life, while chasing after things that are in general harmful.

I'm not one of those losers who "lives for the weird". My favorite things in the world are my wife and my puppy dogs; I wish i could have a kitty cat, but unless I go to the pound (not a bad idea mind you.. but hate that place), they aren't taking our food gifts we leave out and coming around.

In some Eastern stuff I really admire, such as the 10 ox herder pictures, the "hero" takes the heroic journey up the mountain (for the sake of him / her self and the people of the village). The hero faces demons which turn out to be imps, and has cosmic adventures upon reaching the top. Then, being "enlightened" comes back down to the village and cuts wood and hauls water.

In such traditions anyway, there is NO INTENTION of rocketing off to god-land, transformed from human to something odd. That's just not in the tradition.

Now I'm not saying it's not possible. But I'm not certain it's necessarily healthy. I mean I'm obviously still here; I must really feel that way.

Personally, I think the single most important lesson that NOBODY has ever figured out--- the realization that truly turns one into a Sage, is that no "incarnation" is to be looked down upon.. that "gods" are not higher than microbes. That the goal is not to run away to higher realms, but to live RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW, with the full tool-kit that one is able to use.

I know that this flies in the face of the christian system.. the abrahamic system.. and in general the tragically mistaken Dvaita systems as a whole (transfiguration/"salvation") systems.

But it's no skin off my nose if other people enjoy being wrong.

I do like hearing other people's perspectives of course.

Kev

a reply to: beansidhe

Yes the choice of why those particular constellations is what first intrigued me, an axis involving Perseus and Andromeda based in Pegasus didn't appear to have any useful function, and in terms of the greater axis one half will be rising the other setting as seen from the ground, the ecliptic plane passes through near Aldebaran and the Galactic equator/Milky Way sort of encircles those constellations.



Now there is seen the myth of the bent over tree which is the Huluppu tree myth of Inanna;

Enki, the Wise Old One, Enki,
The Father, stood by Inanna,
And smiled.

Behind her he pointed, over her shoulders.
Around she turned to see what was there,
Around she turned to see who had followed.
Ninshubur it was, the one who had followed,
Once Queen of the East, behind Inanna she had hidden,
Inanna's companion, now her faithful servant.

Together they stood, side-by-side,
Together they set forth, shoulder-to-shoulder,
Together they travelled as one.
Quickly to the tree, to the Huluppu-tree
The tree where the serpent, who could not be charmed, nested.

Then Ninshubur fastened on the serpent the eye of power.
She spoke to him the word of order,
She whispered to him the cry of love.

She embraced him.

The serpent, who could not be charmed, loosened the roots,
The serpent, who could not be charmed, from the Huluppu-tree, went forth;.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

It's not that hard, like i said the real test is how rapidly and efficiently one can effect transformation with minimum disruption such that change is no more traumatic than waking up from a dream, Apocalyptic Chaos would be a sign of very bad administration, everyone would be complaining if you did that, as in the myth above you can just politely ask the serpent to leave your tree, there doesn't need to be drama.

a reply to: Kantzveldt

I'd love to sit in the back of a truck driving through some of these old forgotten desert areas and listen to your chatter on such things

a reply to: Kantzveldt

I find it truly fascinating and honor it for being the awakening of the soul. But at the same time wonder a bit if you will want to kick my ass, when i am now going to tell you:
The serpent is all there is and the feathered serpent is the kundalini serpent waiting for to be awakened. As long as you look for a god, or annunaki or whoever you are bound to find lies and nothing but wishfull thinking to fullfill your conscious desires.
The universe is only "alive" where it is penetrated by the serpent. And this means where consciousness sheds light on it. Is a rock alive? No, but we can use our mind to give it attributes and eventually a personality.
We came first, than god.
Also weird moving lights don't prove the existence of aliens, the fact that we can summon them is further proof of the power of the serpent within us.
I guess what i am trying to ask you is, why do you seek wisdom in systems the evolution of religion and spirituality has left behind a long time ago?
It is all part of the allchemists lore, just better now, because refined and distilled. Or is it a mere historical interest?

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I enjoyed your "public service post" of course the goal can't be to run away with gods.
It serves human evolution. Like the mice which inherit their parents learned behaviour we are connected through the subconscious and all always serves evolution. Nothing more, the meaning of life is just development, or enhancement if you prefer.

a reply to: Kantzveldt

Hey, that's pretty good. You can see draco at the very base of the other tree, near cygnus:



Whether draco's also visible 'beside' the milky way, I do not know but I'll have a look later. Did Inanna have a star or constellation attributable to her?

a reply to: Kantzveldt

You are correct; there doesn't need to be drama.

However the ancient arts are lost and the trees are infested with wood rot ("soul blight") and even a "simple thing" done incorrectly can have nasty consequences. For example a table saw is simplicity itself---and it also cuts off thumbs!

If I knew then what I know now....there would have been minimal fuss--I think.

Kev

a reply to: Peeple

Egads you have been listening very carefully and taking notes. Are you bucking for admission into the Pretty Bear clan?

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Lol, don't know is there a proper initiation rite with party afterwards?

a reply to: beansidhe

Inanna was primarily associated with the Pleiades as well as Anunitum in Pisces, it may be the case that in kneeling position beneath the arch of the tree the torch she holds, or which Dumuzid hands to her, represents the Pleiades.



a reply to: Peeple

As i've mentioned the reason i look to the oldest recorded system is because it was considered to have been taught to humanity by the seven sages, an off-world source, also in my opinion it's the most sophisticated and religious understanding has drifted away from the original purpose and meaning,

There are lots of serpents and Dragons in Sumerian mythology and i've written about them often enough, only a way of looking at things though all said and done, if there were actual serpent entities slithering about all over the place that would be quite alarming.

a reply to: zazzafrazz

It is still possible to connect in some way to ancient sites, tends to help if you can manage to keep your mouth shut though...

a reply to: Peeple

Good....

The body and mind are a holographic virtual reality receiver (major function) and a transmitter (a very minor function).

If I flood myself with "a serpent" --- then "I" am a serpent.

Of I flood myself with an ArchTulpa then "I" am a "mana personality" for that "god".

TV sets don't have one burned in channel.

"Individuation" is true-ish...but it's not what people think it is.

Its not about evolution of one thing at one time --- everything is evolving all at once and everything possibly effects everything else.

Kevin doesn't have "one eternal soul" --- Kevin is a soul making machine...

But also the plastic goo that was 3d printed will always have Kevin imprints throughout it..and in fact wouldn't exist at all in it's form without Kevin.

Mould and moulded are joined together forever.

Kick this realisation up a Level or two...and you come to understand who you really are.....and why it's no fuss to be whatever you find yourself being.....then you come to pity "the gods" as they are trapped in ignorance...thinking that they Are just one thing....with fear and death always stalking them.

Kev

a reply to: Peeple

You have to wear a goofy hat and I spring for beer and pizza afterwards.

Then we throw spit balls at the Lutherns, New Agers and UFO cultists.

Kev

I thought Inanna was associated with Venus? There are hymns dedicated to her as Venus.

I have a bit of a thing for her, a goddess without a realm of responsibilities that was sexually charged, caused chaos, made the other gods tremble in her wake.

Lady of Heaven,....What gal.

a reply to: Kantzveldt

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Sounds awesome! I'm in!

The other thing has to settle before i can answer. I am reading a book called "the vision of a godlike human" no kidding and it is just as crappy as the title promises...