Looks like there might be newly discovered planet in our solar system

originally posted by: Soylent Green Is People

originally posted by: awareness10
I do still refer to Pluto the now dwarfed planet as the 9th Planet, and this 'possibly' new Planet as 10 or X.

If Pluto were still the 9th planet, then "Eris", which was discovered in 2005, and is at least as large as Pluto, would already be the 10th planet. It was the discovery of Eris that prompted the demotion of Pluto (and Eris) down to the category "Dwarf Planet".

"Sedna" is another dwarf planet that some would argue should be a planet if Pluto were still a planet. So Sedna might be planet No. 11.

That would make this new hypothesized world "Planet No. 11", or (if we counted Sedna) "Planet No. 12".

It is thought by many astronomers that there are perhaps thousands of bodies similar to Pluto and Eris in the outer solar system, so it Pluto were a planet, there might be thousands of things we call planets.

hm yes.. But in the minds of the collective aka humanity, their beloved planet Pluto has and always will be the 9th. Sedna has never been considered or called such so collectively, it's not at the forefront of their minds.

Subliminal suggestion is powerful, even more so to those who are under it's spell.

originally posted by: awareness10
hm yes.. But in the minds of the collective aka humanity, their beloved planet Pluto has and always will be the 9th. Sedna has never been considered or called such so collectively, it's not at the forefront of their minds.

Subliminal suggestion is powerful, even more so to those who are under it's spell.

OK -- but Eris would still be planet #10, which would make this potential new one Planet #11.

My point was to refute the idea that if Pluto was still Planet #9, this new one would be #10 (in satisfaction of the people who think the "X" in "Planet X" is a Roman numeral). That would not be the case. If Pluto were still classified as a planet, then Eris (discovered in 2005) would also be a planet.

A funny story about Eris is that when Mike Brown discovered it back in 2005, he thought that it might in fact be a planet, so he gave it the temporary name "Xena" because it began with the letter X, as in "Planet X" (and as homage to the TV character of the same name).

Whether the minds of the "collective" still think of Pluto as a planet or not is irrelevant. The removal of planetary status for Pluto was the correct decision. It is NOT a major planet. People who grew up believing that (including me) will one day no longer be around, and the "collective" at that point in time will only have known Pluto as a "dwarf planet", and nothing more than one of the largest members of the Kuiper Belt.

Having said that, I am not exactly comfortable with the term "dwarf planet". I see no reason why Pluto and Eris (and a handful of other known objects) can't simply be referred to as members of the Kuiper Belt, or the Scattered Disk, or (in the case of Ceres) the asteroid belt.

I never understood the outrage over Pluto. Who cares how scientists classify it? People act like demoting Pluto ruined their lives. Science changes over time. Pluto is smaller than the moon, heck it's even got less than half the surface area of the US. and it is pretty much a big ball of ice. In all likelihood it was originally a moon from one of the gas giants.

www.twinkletoesengineering.info...

This site is pretty cool for showing the size comparison of the planets including pluto. Even compared to the smallest planet, Mercury, it's a tiny spec. I don't see the big deal.

a reply to: Barcs

People born under Pluto i'm sure were upset about it, it farked up their entire astrological ideals.

Human beings, most of them are collective. Baaaaa. Take a look at the trends throughout history collectivity at it's extreme.

a reply to: Mogget

Calling it a dwarf planet might hurt it's feelings. It's a living breathing entity just like you. How dare you place Pluto under minority rule simply because a dozen people think so!

originally posted by: awareness10
a reply to: Barcs

People born under Pluto i'm sure were upset about it, it farked up their entire astrological ideals.

No. Astrology doesn't really care about science.
www.astrologyzone.com...

a reply to: Phage

ah Phage I felt you and voila here you are! Amazing.

I don't think mankind is big enough yet to understand the entire universe without doubt.

It was JP Morgan that said, "Millionaires don't use Astrology, Billionaires do!" So i guess someone does care after all.

originally posted by: awareness10
a reply to: Phage

ah Phage

I felt you and voila here you are! Amazing.

Can you prove Astrology has no feelings about science? I don't think mankind is big enough yet to understand the entire universe without doubt.

"We don't know everything; therefore, astrology could have validity" is not a very good argument for astrology.

I mean, I suppose I could say "we don't know everything; therefore, Saturn's moon Titan could be a ball of orange cheddar cheese."

originally posted by: Soylent Green Is People

originally posted by: awareness10
a reply to: Phage

ah Phage

I felt you and voila here you are! Amazing.

Can you prove Astrology has no feelings about science? I don't think mankind is big enough yet to understand the entire universe without doubt.

"We don't know everything; therefore, astrology could have validity" is not a very good argument for astrology.

I mean, I suppose I could say "we don't know everything; therefore, Saturn's moon Titan could be a ball of orange cheddar cheese."

That sounds tasty.

I would hope it would be Brie though. Kind of the right colour too.

a reply to: awareness10

It was JP Morgan that said, "Millionaires don't use Astrology, Billionaires do!"

I doubt that he said that.

While at school, I always found it odd that Pluto is this tiny "rock" at the end of a series of gas and ice giants - Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune. It always seemed like an oddball. With the discovery of Eris and other similarly-sized bodies out past Neptune, it's completely natural to group Pluto with them, as part of Kuiper belt.

Don't get too hung up on popular consensus... people used to drill holes in other people's skulls, the consensus being that that would allow the evil spirits escape them.

The humanity is nothing if it can't use new knowledge to progress in its understanding of the universe.

a reply to: wildespace

people used to drill holes in other people's skulls, the consensus being that that would allow the evil spirits escape them.

Well, it would relieve intercranial pressure resulting from head trauma.

So I have a question....

A year or so back, 2 scientists claimed under very similar orbital reasoning that a planet like this might exist in this size and location and be in resonance with a much larger planet further out....

So is this essentially backing that up? Could there be another larger Planet much further out as the predicted?

What parts of the sky did wise survey, given the peculiar tilted orbit could it have missed an even larger Planet?

the new planet shall be named "Blaaaaaaaarp!"

a reply to: Phage

I could try waking him up to find out but i think he's a bit dead.

a reply to: awareness10

How convenient for those who make the claim.
Along the lines of "The dog ate my homework. Really."

a reply to: Soylent Green Is People

Great, i rather like cheese.

a reply to: Phage

Yes, convenience here on Planet Illusion, where everything is convenient to everyone all day everyday.

I'm sure the dog ate someones homework. Maybe god created dogs, which was code for god in reverse then popularized his evil plan to trick everyone in the process making them blame the dog rather than the actual perpetrator.