EU shock as 'out' vote sweeps 6% ahead!

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This thread is probably more interest to people in UK.


Apparently the leave vote as gained a 6% lead the article attributes this to some of what is happening EU.

It says if Boris Johnson was to lead the out campaign this could be up to 8%.

Obviously polls dont always truly indicate how people will vote at the last minute but the out campaign definitely seems to gaining momentum and unless David Camerson can pull something big out of the hat at the last moment I cant see this changing much.

Some truly believe even if UK votes to leave we wont be allowed to by Brussels.

What are my fellow UK's thoughts on this and do they know which way they will vote.

A NOTE to ADMIN would it be possible to have a forum for this because I am sure as the referendum gains momentum it will be a huge talking point on hete for British ATS members. Apologies if this is already the case.

a reply to: anxiouswens
Good I hope the polls are accurate, I'm certainly voting for the UK to leave the EU.
The Germans will still want us to buy their cars when we have our seat back in the WTO, Britain will survive perfectly well as an independent nation again.

a reply to: anxiouswens

Oh look, Daily Mail in anti-EU poll shock. What a surprise. I'd ignore any numbers at the moment, as the vote itself won't take place until perhaps the end of 2017.

I am going to vote out, but I am concerned there will be a large event occurring which will persuade enough people to vote to remain or postpone any referendum indefinitely.

I hope I am wrong, and guess time will tell, but if TPTB want the U.K to remain in, then the U.K will remain in.

As for Boris leading the out campaign, more smoke and mirrors imo.

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: anxiouswens
Good I hope the polls are accurate, I'm certainly voting for the UK to leave the EU.
The Germans will still want us to buy their cars when we have our seat back in the WTO, Britain will survive perfectly well as an independent nation again.

Only it won't be Britain if the UK votes to leave. The Scottish are very pro-EU. If the UK leaves the EU then they will demand a second referendum and the pro-independence movement must just win it this time. I'm not even sure that there's an anti-EU movement in Wales. When it comes to the vote I'm voting no to leaving the EU.

The accuracy of opinion polls has been shown to be flawed in recent times by the British public.

I think that the EU referendum, when it happens, will contain dome interesting debate from both sides. I am sure that some people who think they currently have a certain position will switch, and the large number of "undecideds" have also to make up their minds. I also not sure that Boris Johnson will do the “out” cause any favours, as most people outside of London thinks he’s a prick.

Personally, I am undecided. I want to see a good debate before I make up my mind. I want to see the EU make concessions and recognise that although Britain is holding a referendum, there is a groundswell of discontent and cynicism throughout Europe that the EU needs to address.

It ain’t over until the fat lady sings, as they say.

a reply to: grainofsand
Well said. We don't want to be in the power brokers club who launder our taxpayers cash. We should then hold an investigation in UK on who has got rich from being in Europe and exactly how we benefited as a citizen and not a business.
We have enough people with access to the public purse, we don't need the Europeans in there as well.

a reply to: grainofsand

The polls never are. Look at the last opinion polls. A labour win? No, it was just the Tory voters don't answer their door to people with clipboards. That's statistics all over though. Deaf ears though, this is setting next week's news agenda. Let pointless discussion ensue....

a reply to: AngryCymraeg
Could be this summer if Cameron manages to get 'the deal' he's desperately seeking with the rest of the EU.
I'm hoping the EU tells him to go # himself and we vote out.

a reply to: AngryCymraeg
The Scots can vote out and do one from the UK then, won't affect my life, be quite happy to see them go independent.

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: AngryCymraeg
The Scots can vote out and do one from the UK then, won't affect my life, be quite happy to see them go independent.

(Facepalm) Cameron is supposed to be the PM for the entire country. Breaking it into pieces would be the most catastrophic way possible to go down in history. This larger than just England.
As I said, it's too early to take anything meaningful from the polls as a) they have been a tad unreliable and b) anything can happen. But a quick look at YouGov shows that at present Scotland has a majority of 60% against leaving the EU. And there's no geographical area that I can see where the 'Leave' vote has a lead of 10%. Here.

originally posted by: anxiouswens
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This thread is probably more interest to people in UK.


Apparently the leave vote as gained a 6% lead the article attributes this to some of what is happening EU.

It says if Boris Johnson was to lead the out campaign this could be up to 8%.

Well doesn't that just highlight how poorly some people treat a very serious decision. This isn't a club you can leave for a year and come back when you see the grass isn't greener on the other side.

Obviously polls dont always truly indicate how people will vote at the last minute but the out campaign definitely seems to gaining momentum and unless David Camerson can pull something big out of the hat at the last moment I cant see this changing much.

I suspect that that is true. People have been spoonfed anti EU propaganda by the anti EU press. The vast majority haven't a clue about the benefits only the negatives. There isn't long enough to present the benefits.

Some truly believe even if UK votes to leave we wont be allowed to by Brussels.

Anti EU propaganda. Tch tch. I'm sad you even typed this as an ATS member!

What are my fellow UK's thoughts on this and do they know which way they will vote.

Despite a lot of flaws with the EU (as well we know!) leaving a group like this at a time when round the world countries are grouping together in ever closer ties is madness. When we have migration problems that span all across Europe surely it is better to solve the problem collectively. The current issue is a shock, remember the EU is primarily a trading block. This migration issue will be solved but not with independent different solutions.

Just think on this. Calais is bad. What on earth do you think the French will do if we are not in the EU. Guaranteed the situation will get worse. Will EU countries stop boats crossing the channel or allow them free passage to a non EU country since that is where the migrants want to go. What then sink the boats? Put everyone in camps surrounded by barbed wire.

What about labour laws? Right now the Tories are dismantling UK labour laws and it is only the EU laws that protect workers. You won't read about that in the UK press.

The EU is not perfect far from it. The nature of the EU will change and it will change for the better as even the people of Europe demand change.

In the current world climate going it alone does not make sense.

a reply to: AngryCymraeg
Why the facepalm? It's democracy, if England Wales and N.Ireland vote to leave the EU and Scotland decide different then vote to leave the UK that's fine with me.
I'm happy for the Scots to do one, sooner than later as far as I'm concerned.
Oh, and I'm a Welshman who lives in England.

a reply to: yorkshirelad
All just your opinion fella, interesting of course but still just opinion.
You will have your vote as will I, that's the beauty of a democracy.

You cannot trust the polls, especially where conservative leaning voters are concerned. As the last UK General Election demonstrated, some conservative leaning voters simply lie through their teeth when it comes to telling pollsters what their voting intentions are. And that's their right.

Project Euro Fear hasn't even started yet. Expect to see the full workings of the British Establishment gear up to tell you that doomsday will result if the UK votes to leave the EU. They'll tell you that companies will flee the UK for continental Europe, that unemployment will rocket, that taxes will rise, that pensions will be cut, that the City of London will diminish, that food prices will rise, that border guards will be posted at Dover, that the UK will thrown out of NATO, that the Scots will revolt and declare UDI ... blah blah blah.

And then, just to cap it all off, they'll wheel out Queen Elizabeth, to tell us to "think carefully before you vote to leave the EU". Hell, they've just about done that anyway, what with her speech last year in Berlin, when she warned against a divided Europe. But she's above politics, obviously.

I don't want a Parliament in Belgium making laws for my country. I don't want a European head of state who I can't vote for. I don't want a British Prime Minister ever again to be patronised by unelected civil servants in Brussels. I don't want some dotty German Chancellor inviting millions of immigrants in, only to see her later on wanting us to take "our fair share" and for us to pay for them out of my hard earned taxes.

We've been on our knees to these fockers for far too long.

I'm voting to leave the EU.

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: AngryCymraeg
Why the facepalm? It's democracy, if England Wales and N.Ireland vote to leave the EU and Scotland decide different then vote to leave the UK that's fine with me.
I'm happy for the Scots to do one, sooner than later as far as I'm concerned.
Oh, and I'm a Welshman who lives in England.

I doubt that Wales will vote to leave, and the polls from Northern Ireland indicate the same, with the caveat that once again it's too early to tell. England is split, London looks like it's pro-EU and places like the South East and East Anglia looks like its anti-EU.
I am however looking forwards to the imminent bloodshed that will take place in the Tory Party as it merrily tears itself to pieces over this vote. And hopefully pathetic rags like the Daily Mail and the Express (which is no longer a newspaper, more a cesspit containing rants about things that it fails to understand) will get called out on their failings.

a reply to: AngryCymraeg
Well all my family and friends back in Wales are voting out, I don't know about the polls but as has been said they are unreliable so I care little to be honest.
I guess we shall see when it happens, I just know I'm pleased to actually have a vote on it for the first time in my life.

I won't be voting, I've lost all faith in British "democracy"

What's the point in voting when the majority are #ing morons swayed by BS propaganda and because they're the majority they have the power to swing the vote

And how are the votes going to be done ? Will it be like the General election faux democracy where a 48% total of voters is a majority because it's based on regions and not actually what the people want ?

Whether we stay in Europe or we leave Europe those conservative pig fornicators are going to fornicate us anyway and Labour is just as bad so we're screwed whatever happens

Since the Brits joined the EU, the working population has paid 500 billion English pounds to the Brussels thieves, I wonder how many roads, railroads, doctors, nurses, firefighters, policemen, air ambulances, paramedics, schools, and flood defences that would have paid for?

a reply to: pikestaff
The billions we pay each year is certainly a contributing factor in my decision to vote out. That, plus sovereignty of government, and control over immigration from the EU.

I struggle to see how the UK would not survive as an independent nation, but others will see it differently so I guess all that counts is the vote on the day.