Vigilante groups forming all over Europe but why refer to them all as far right

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: nonspecific
Fair one, the anti (insert demographic here) element is what makes the difference.
There is little anti (insert demographic) in my parts because we have tourists from all over the world every summer and we all know we need them.

I guess I view 'community action' from a different perspective because our under resourced and under staffed police force actually depend on it. They turn a blind eye and even thank us...unofficially of course.

I lived in your neck of the woods for a while and to anyone from a large town or city it would seem strange.

Even as a white English male I was considered an outsider simply from not being born in the area although I was shown great hospitality yet with a certain distance.

As I said backstreet justice is administered around here too and the police tend to look the other way if is not too brutal and well justified but organised mobs are a completely different kettle of fish.

originally posted by: Learningman
a reply to: forkedtongue

I honestly see where you are coming from, I am not a fan of MASS immigration, but I have grown up in a multicultural society. The U.K. has been a mongrel nation for over a millennia, and I don't wish to have to change our values because of extremists. (both why I do not wish to BAN immigration, nor see an influx of people who aren't prepared to assimilate to our values).

We have many Sikhs of an Indian heritage, been here years, they are 100% British. We have many Muslims (I cant fully speak for the south like London as I'm not from there) who are fully integrated, and identify as 100% British. I don;t want to have to change our values for the sake of extremists.

One thing that seems taboo in our media is vetting them, both the Right and Left media oppose it for different reasons, but from what I can tell, Right leaning and Left leaning people with a brain both agree that it is a good solution.

If you are migrating legally to the UK then you are vetted and if you fail you don't get in - not legally anyway, or are deported. I don't know anyone who disagrees with that. The difference being of course is that borders are open to any EU country for anyone who is a citizen of the EU, that's different, but why should Muslims (as an example) be more subject to vetting than a non Muslim? I know the answer I'm going to get, and it's not a good one.

a reply to: nonspecific Haha I've been here over 25 years now so I've been accepted ish, but the prefix "Welsh" is always added to my name if anyone is referring to me

originally posted by: GOrwell
a reply to: Learningman

Back it up ? You guys are questioning Our immigration policies..... Uh, hello... That's racist, get a clue please

So...uh...what's your real account name?

Clearly this one was made to troll considering you've only registered today and have 4 comments, all of which are on this thread.

a reply to: uncommitted

I know the uncomfortable answer too, and I thank you for not making me saying it and seeming ignorant. Maybe I'm more Rightist than I care to admit after all eh!

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: Learningman
a reply to: forkedtongue

I honestly see where you are coming from, I am not a fan of MASS immigration, but I have grown up in a multicultural society. The U.K. has been a mongrel nation for over a millennia, and I don't wish to have to change our values because of extremists. (both why I do not wish to BAN immigration, nor see an influx of people who aren't prepared to assimilate to our values).

We have many Sikhs of an Indian heritage, been here years, they are 100% British. We have many Muslims (I cant fully speak for the south like London as I'm not from there) who are fully integrated, and identify as 100% British. I don;t want to have to change our values for the sake of extremists.

One thing that seems taboo in our media is vetting them, both the Right and Left media oppose it for different reasons, but from what I can tell, Right leaning and Left leaning people with a brain both agree that it is a good solution.

If you are migrating legally to the UK then you are vetted and if you fail you don't get in - not legally anyway, or are deported. I don't know anyone who disagrees with that. The difference being of course is that borders are open to any EU country for anyone who is a citizen of the EU, that's different, but why should Muslims (as an example) be more subject to vetting than a non Muslim? I know the answer I'm going to get, and it's not a good one.

It is called profiling and it in fact works.

That is why.

originally posted by: Ashamedandsad
a reply to: Soloprotocol

We are seeing the rise of it again but instead of Jews it's the Muslims...

People need to realize the reason we are seeing the rise of this sort of thing again, is because nothing is being done about it.

People are tired of being the victims, and people are tired of seeing what they are seeing.

When Gov whose job it is is to protect its populace allow outsiders to come in , and wreak havok on the population without a leash, this sort of thing is going to happen.

I do not advocate vigilantism what so ever, but you would have to be deaf , dumb and blind to not see the reason why.

a reply to: daaskapital

I am at work on my phone, I usually just read at work, but I started an account to confront this racism before it grabs hold

You guys need to realize that if we debate immigration, talk about the ill effects on our economy, talk about rape and sexual abuse, a new Hitler will rise and destroy Europe

originally posted by: GOrwell
a reply to: daaskapital

I am at work on my phone, I usually just read at work, but I started an account to confront this racism before it grabs hold

You guys need to realize that if we debate immigration, talk about the ill effects on our economy, talk about rape and sexual abuse, a new Hitler will rise and destroy Europe

You are too late I'm afraid.

originally posted by: GOrwell
a reply to: daaskapital

I am at work on my phone, I usually just read at work, but I started an account to confront this racism before it grabs hold

You guys need to realize that if we debate immigration, talk about the ill effects on our economy, talk about rape and sexual abuse, a new Hitler will rise and destroy Europe

Really? Can you explain why that would happen? I'm having trouble following the logic. Not having a pop - just curious.

originally posted by: GOrwell
a reply to: daaskapital

I am at work on my phone, I usually just read at work, but I started an account to confront this racism before it grabs hold

You guys need to realize that if we debate immigration, talk about the ill effects on our economy, talk about rape and sexual abuse, a new Hitler will rise and destroy Europe

Yes so the best method is to just ignore it, and not address it , like the world govs have been doing who have been importing this, and then watch as the people fed up with nothing being done, light their torches and grab their pitchforks?

because thats been working so well?

Yep that sounds like a sound plan!

originally posted by: GOrwell
a reply to: daaskapital

I am at work on my phone, I usually just read at work, but I started an account to confront this racism before it grabs hold

You guys need to realize that if we debate immigration, talk about the ill effects on our economy, talk about rape and sexual abuse, a new Hitler will rise and destroy Europe

Fair enough.

Ignoring the situation could also lead down the same route though.

Clearly, people aren't happy as it is and far right organisations are springing up all over the place. If we don't debate the state of our societies and the political measures taken by those in power, as is expected in democracies, then things will continue going ignored and people will get increasingly annoyed.

I don't take any sides on this refugee debate, because i think limiting oneself to a strict set of opinions or political beliefs is retarded. That said, people are clearly not happy and the ire of many is being stoked. If we don't consider these situations, then people will make their voices heard and we could end up with another fascist Italy or Nazi Germany. It's a long way away, but history tends to repeat itself if we don't heed its warnings.

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

The reason why is that it allows government to more easily divide the people in the country along racial, religious, and ideological lines, to make us easier to control.

Allowing it to happen, forming these absurd associations of thugs and miscreants, many of whom, I suspect, are more worried about outsiders muscling in on their turf, rather than any concern for the innocent citizen, is not a solution to that issue, but increases the likelihood that government will continue to fail to prevent crime.

a reply to: TrueBrit

The reason why is that it allows government to more easily divide the people in the country along racial, religious, and ideological lines, to make us easier to control.

I agree this is the reason why the Gov is doing it, however the result is the same concerning the populace.

Allowing it to happen, forming these absurd associations of thugs and miscreants, many of whom, I suspect, are more worried about outsiders muscling in on their turf, rather than any concern for the innocent citizen, is not a solution to that issue, but increases the likelihood that government will continue to fail to prevent crime.

though im sure this is the case in many situations, it doesnt take away the fact that there are plenty who are tired of nothing being done. And feel they have no choice but to take it upon themselves.

you will always have those that have a different rationale

a reply to: TrueBrit

Might seem a little off topic but also, if I were a nobby type who benefits from the status-quo of the financial sector, like say, oh, I don't know, a politician, or, erm, a banker, Id definitely be putting the Chesire cat to shame with my grin, while everyone starts feeling empowered about fixing things for themselves when it comes to all issues other than, erm...


Maybe the banking crisis, that I'd got away with and were still profiting from, scott free.

Just a thought.

a reply to: nonspecific

Aside from the vast majority of people thinking you are an utter moron that is.

Maybe it's the only way for certain members to aliviate theiranxiety issues. A good shouty March

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Yes, there will always be those with a different rationale.

Unfortunately the number of people with that different rationale is directly related to the number of people who are simply wrong about just next door to everything, and have not the wit, or desire to be informed, that would prevent them from making fantastically stupid mistakes when dealing with the world around them.

Evil politicians are difficult enough to deal with, when a basic level of intellect can be expected from people. Things only get worse when people foolishly give in to both their programming, and the unspoken demands of their political masters, and in so doing join up with the nearest band of sociopaths and wreak unchecked havoc, more often than not, against entirely illegitimate targets.

Again, the problem is the political elite, and their failure to deal with things, and it is that which needs correcting, and only by forcing that correction to happen so that law enforcement can be done by the proper channel, can this issue be resolved properly.

In Merkel's Progressive Euro-topia, neighborhood watch groups are understood to be far-right. Self-defense is an archaic, violent concept which has no place in modern society. The State will ensure your protection - to the extent that it is able. Budget cuts and all, you understand.

By the way, your taxes are going up again. The 'refugees' are not happy with their accommodations, and these rape victims are putting a real burden on our healthcare system.

a reply to: Learningman

Unfortunately, this is precisely the sort of thing that I am talking about.

It is astoundingly easy for a political group to get away with making an absolute hash of things, or even worse, deliberately sabotaging a nation for its own financial gain, and to increase its power. All it has to do, is allow certain things to come to pass, which overshadow all else in the minds and lives of the populous. They will always get away with it, as long as their people are so shallow and simple minded, as to fail to follow the obvious clues, and react as predicted by the establishment powers.

Only a refusal to be accurately profiled, a refusal to act in the expected fashion, which in this case is rabble rousing and hyper nationalism, will ever achieve improvement long term in the way populations are treated by those who assume leadership positions in a given nation. Those reacting in foolish ways to obvious bait, are part of the problem, not the solution.

a reply to: TrueBrit

Only a refusal to be accurately profiled, a refusal to act in the expected fashion, which in this case is rabble rousing and hyper nationalism, will ever achieve improvement long term in the way populations are treated by those who assume leadership positions in a given nation. Those reacting in foolish ways to obvious bait, are part of the problem, not the solution.

This is what makes me fear we are approaching the midnight hour, because even such a refusal is just more grist for the mill, even to point out that such actions are playing into 'their' hands, is playing into their hands, and will be labelled at partisanship, 'just a lefty versus righty' issue. It is evidenced by how even a conspiracy website has become Left versus Right.

It is almost as if every step in the right direction only makes it easier for 'them' to prolong the journey.