Why would anyone on ATS support Trump??

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

The thing is, if you ask someone if they'd rather have a compound fracture of a femur or terminal cancer, they'll probably go with the broken leg and have a compelling argument for why. That doesn't mean they want a broken leg.

originally posted by: SkepticOverlord

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
Why would anyone on ATS support trump?

The bigger, much more important question is: why would anyone on ATS support any elected politician?

It's impossible to rise to any level of contemporary political prominence in the US without beholden to someone or some corporate entity.

It's impossible to rise to any level of contemporary prominence within any political party, even third parties, without allegiance to a specific platform agenda that runs contrary to the populace as a whole.

This is exactly why I think Trump has gained so much popularity.

People are so sick of electing career politicians who are so ingrained in their own parties that when they see a candidate from the private sector self-funding his own campaign and being attacked by both sides, they know he must be doing something to rattle the establishment. It's a form of political dissent.

originally posted by: PsychoEmperor

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
... although as a Brit ...

No offense, I visit England twice yearly, and that probably has a lot to do with it. The Media bias there is unbelievable. To my fellow Americans, If you think your Media is left-leaning, you have no idea until you go across the pond.

No offense, but the bias in Britain is not left wing it is right wing. There are around 14 papers that are right wing, that includes all the Murdoch papers, and around 8 left wing papers. Many of the right wing papers are jingoist, and Xenophobic, as are many magazine publications, that includes 'expert' magazines who seek to promote British industry. It used to be a lot more honest, Iv'e been around long enough to understand that, nowadays most of the papers are full of tripe and propaganda. That seems to me then to be a very American media way of doing things.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Newspapers are written at a fifth grade level, so I don't know if this is a jab at Trump or just Americans in general.

a reply to: daaskapital

I've only seen a few ATS'ers support Clinton but the amount of support Trump gets is ridiculous.

Great thread OP, I've wondered the same myself.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

The answer lies in your opening post. The 1% crowd was primarily an issue of the American left. Most Republicans/conservatives simply don't care that much about a person's wealth or class warfare. They don't like 'elitists', but this is much more directed at those who attempt to set their own ideology and beliefs above that of others, rather than a person's finances. That's why this line of attack against Trump has been particularly ineffective so far. Conservatives simply don't care about it.

As for why they support him in particular, Trump has managed tailor his message to the exact concerns of many of these same conservatives regarding the direction of the country and the feelings that those concerns are being ignored in DC. When they feel that finally, someone is standing up for them, and he's doing it forcefully, not taking any crap and not backing down, its not hard at all to understand why many support him, including here at ATS. That he's not one of the usual backstabbing beltway RINO politicians makes him even easier to support, at least in their eyes.

For the record, while I will gladly vote for Trump over either of the two Dem candidates, there are at least a couple of GOP candidates I would vote for ahead of Trump in the primaries.

a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

You mean legalization of weed, gay marriage and being pro-choice isn't extreme right? I honestly don't know what they consider "right" these days, I thought it was anyone against a socialist America. I am Christian, but for all those things also, I just assumed that I was considered far right because I think the founders did it right and doesn't need changed.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: SpaDe_
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

How did Obama having 0 experience make him a good candidate and by some peoples account a good president?
Answer that question and you answer both.

Well to be fair I asked you about Trump not Obama to me turning the question around like this is deflection.

So how is it that Trump having zero political experience makes him a good choice as a political candidate?

Trying something new/out of the box.

Insanity-doing the same thing, over and over, but expecting different results.

Trump may well be just another liar, but he doesn't seem to give a rats ass for political correctness, and good bad or indifferent, he says what a lot of people are thinking, but afraid to say.

I personally am a bit frightened by the thought of him being POTUS, but it's not like I have a voice in the decision, so wait and see.

a reply to: SkepticOverlord

So lets take a look at how they got the results. It is pretty simple math.

It takes total words, sentences and syllables to find a score. It was interesting to see how since the 60's the scale has drastically dropped (JFK speech was an example) and even in the 1800's the scores were all at college level where as in modern society the average floats around 6th grade.

Maybe he is connecting because people are so used to simple sound bites and 'tweets' in this day and age.

I think we have seem this parodied in plenty of movies where someone will make a fantastic speech and everyone in the crowd or room just stares. Then they scream a two or three word partial sentence and the crowd goes nuts.

"I have a dream" would be around a 4th grade level and that started a cultural revolution.

And more to the point. If Trump is extreme "Right" for asking for a LAWFUL border process, and VETTING of Refugees, given the situation in Europe and almost ALL of the Mid East and ISIS' own expressed words....if that is "Right Wing" to you....you are lost and in the way.

Please step aside.

a reply to: daaskapital

When was the the last pro clinton thread you saw? I notice this every time some one bad mouths trump, the "what about clinton" gets brought up. Stupid deflection, they both suck.

originally posted by: SkepticOverlord

originally posted by: combatmaster
Simple...
Trump is the only one that speaks like a human being, not a politically bred robot.

Simple alright. Donald Trump talks to voters at a fourth-grade level.

His "straight talk" is a finely tuned gimmick to garner the attention he's getting.

Indeed, maybe 'human being' wasnt the right word.... 4th grader does seem more suitable.

But my point still stands! this IS the reason he is getting his message across. What does that say about the populous?

ps, just to be clear, i dont really support any politician... not into politics at all!

A vote for Trump does a few things which are now imminent threats, and threats that should have been taken care of years ago, and have been ratcheted up since Obama.

1) he addresses Illegal Immigration. I don't care what anyone says, that is a HUGE factor now. It's been enough, Americans are TIRED of it.

2) He addresses radical Islam head on. Not in the most tactful way, but we're beyond nice wording now.

3) He addresses jobs and knows the importance.

4) He addresses Nationalism, which needs to return because Liberals have ruined our National sense, identity, culture. They have wiped out what was left after BUSH tanked us.

5) He is a protest vote against the R & D establishment Mafia. They are both in on the Globalist game, and their gig is up.

6) he has his own money and answers to nobody


I don't like him, in fact I think he's a worm, but I see more and more that he might be the only answer, as much as I can't stomach him. And I will never vote for another Democrat as long as I live, especially after the last 8 years, and what rampant LIES and corruption and manipulation I've seen. Our nation has lost it's collective mind.

a reply to: matafuchs

"I have a dream" would be around a 4th grade level and that started a cultural revolution.

No, it wasn't. Stop making stuff up.

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

It's slightly humorous and yet sad to see that the extreme Right has begun turning against their own simply because they view them as not being extreme enough.

Posts like your's are becoming more and more common. The GOP and the Right are eating themselves from the inside out.

You're a partisan hack, evidenced by the fact that you call me 'extreme Right"...when I'm for legalization of weed, gay marriage, and Pro Choice....and very Libertarian....and pretty much an Atheist

Equally I see more Lefty robots like you post more and more and exposing your backside to the world.

Hence I will support Trump more and more because I am done with your ilk. You have become cancerous...in my most humble and of course.........calm....disposition

*wink*

BatheInTheFountain for President !!!!!!!

You got my vote man...from over the pond...if it makes a difference.

I haven't logged into this site for a long time, and I'm pretty disappointed on what I see on the surface looking at it now. I however am a Trump supporter so I felt I can lend a hand here as to why:

1. I do not care about the one percent. I'm not bitter they have money, and whether Trump fits into the 1% as Liberals and Bernie Bunnies see it, I'm not so sure. I care about freedom, mine. The 1% can dive naked into pools of 100 dollar bills for all I care. But if you try to strong arm me you are my enemy, whether you are 1% or the proverbial "errand boy, sent by grocery clerks to collect the bill" (Apocalypse Now)

2. Trump is smashing the game board. He's sticking it in the eye of the press, the career politicians, and your standard uninformed drone. He's dictating the agenda instead of the usual political footballs that get tossed around. He's changed the narrative, and dirty tricks and standard fare for the politically correct to shout people down and try and cow them aren't going to work with a mouth as big as Trump's. This brain washing needs to be beat back down now. Its to the point where you have to be afraid of what you say at work, and you can't have your own opinion anymore lest you get canned from your job.

3. There is every indication that Trump 'gets it'. This country and most of the 'civilized' world is being targeted for third world status and its just about there. This may very well be the last chance this can be turned around. As mentioned by others, Trump makes his fortune on people with discretionary income. Some of these other politicians want to take even more of that away, mostly on the left but also includes the multitudes of RINOS don't seem to care what the left do and are too cowardly to stop it.

4. Trump is also staring down the 'political elites'. That last debate where he made a backhand b-slap on Bush with the Bin Laden family being escorted out of the country by his brother resonated with me. You can see Bush's beady eyes seething! Heading off Clinton at the pass with the typical 'feminist' club she likes to wield by dragging out Bill's indiscretions with women over the years was brilliant, which also goes back to number one. Their old boring tactics are not going to work when he slaps your pieces off the board, then sets the board on fire! These people all seem like they're entitled and its far past the time they start to feel the fear they themselves use on everyone else.

5. While I KINDA like Ted Cruz, I feel he's not as strong as Trump. Rubio is a neocon dweeb. Paul I like as far as lip service, but there's no doubt in my mind the people in his camp are doing him more harm than good. Who he surrounds himself with MATTERS, and he's not as strong in convictions as his old man. Carson looks like he's stoned all the time, I live in NJ so I can tell you first hand how much fail Christy is. That leaves the bimbo who wrecked HP and a few cartoon characters on the right. There really isn't another intelligent choice on the right. Trump may not be perfect, but he's just what the doctor ordered.

6. On the left, we have a career criminal and Bernie Sanders. Bernie Bernie Bernie. His voting record shows that all his pandering to the 99% is empty promises, but people just want to believe I guess. They want to believe that Obamacare's exemptions to top companies won't follow Bernie's ridiculous claims. They want to believe he's gonna stick it to the man, when he is the man. Pull up an instance of him criticizing a Democrat. He's just as establishment as all the rest, Im waiting for him to put on a pants suit as he gushes over Hillary on the stage. The Affordable Care Act is already ripe with corruption, and so will all the empty promises Bernie makes. All the one percenters will be exempt and they'll just take it from all of us which is the status quo. I find this ironic, since it seems that a lot of Bernie supporters are atheists, yet demonstrate the same 'behavior' they denounce people of faith for. So instead of an 'invisible man in the sky' they have an 'invisible social economic paradise'. To me this is just a fun house mirror each one is looking into.

In summary, Trump is smashing the game, smashing the status quo and shining a light on the things cowards are afraid to speak up against. He's also pro second amendment. The left want to take away people's weapons, and Trump is taking away their weapons....words like racist, sexist and whatever other -ist or -phobic word they want to use as a shield against whatever they decide they want to be offended by that moment. Words which could cost a person their families and/or career.

He also knows how to run a business. Running something successfully is something 99.9% of politicians CAN'T do. This suggests he will 'hire' the best of the best and clean out that cesspool of a White House. People like to think of him as a 'dictator' or 'fascist'. I've seen the Mussolini comparisons....humorous. The danger of him running roughshod over the population seems less likely then him running roughshod over the snakes currently slithering around in Washington. This is what you should want. What everyone should want. The 'nobody goes to jail' narrative may just start to turn around when they start getting kicked to the curb...but by all means, believe there's one shiny red button in the White House where he's going to Nuke everyone instead of a conglomerate of people who hold the keys.

And if all else fails, think of the entertainment value when all these uppity politicians start tripping over their own schtick when he pulls their security blankets away and exposes all their nonsense. At the very least some of these fossilized lifer politicians might start to have strokes and we can start to have some real progress!

a reply to: Kitana

Let`s see....Liberty, Equality, Fraternity, core values of Democracy. So again, why is there so much human explotation(slavery), inequality and solitariness? Why do you have to choose between two candidates who had done nothing to resurrect the original values? I`ll tell you why, because they want it to keep this way no matter who the winner is so they can get more power and wealth while those in the lower section of the pyramid can`t win with their votes.

I really don`t see that much difference between Communism, Socialism and Democracy. All good in theory and design but when it comes to human factor, they all collapse.

a reply to: Grimpachi

The entire speech was around a 8-9th grade level. I was referring to 'I have a dream' by itself....

I'm a woman supporting Trump along with my husband and a lot of co workers and other people I know. I agree with about 75% of what he has to say, will he do it? I don't know...

Another important reason to vote for Trump is because when Bernie Sanders gets screwed out of the nomination and it goes to Hillary, all his supporters will be corralled into her camp. Even though they say they wouldn't vote for Hillary I know deep down since there is no other choice for them they will just to spite Trump.

Trump for President!
Hillary for Prison!