1984. It really is happening, isn't it?

a reply to: humanityrising

Oh its far worse than the Orwellian nightmare old Georgie boy portrayed in his masterpiece. The surveillance capability's in place are light years ahead of what 1984 predicted. The Thought Police have been in-bedded in our mass media networks long before the year of 1984 and doublespeak is pretty much a common everyday occurrence regarding our Political institutions. Never mind there proxy wars all going to plan.

This is 1984 on steroids.

The program scoured billions of data points, including...the man’s social- media postings.

Perhaps if this program were already in place, the outcome of San Bernardino may have had a different outcome; among other tragedies of this nature.

Nevertheless social media, is just that -

social media

a reply to: humanityrising

1984. It really is happening, isn't it?

IMESHO, yes. It's happening now, as we speak... and it will likely conclude with the destruction of civilization as we know it.

On the upside, should the human species survive itself, this lesson will be one that is learned and never allowed to be shuffled off by following generations. From there, maybe we can get it right.

Maybe.

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originally posted by: Eilasvaleleyn
a reply to: SprocketUK

The largest terrorist organisation in the world is not ISIS or Al-Quaida or Hal-Shabib (if that was even the name of one, I forget), the largest terrorist organisation is the United States government.

Welcome to the RED P+ list with that comment....I'm proud to be there myself.

a reply to: redoubt

I dont thing "They" wish to destroy our civilization, they just wish to control and compartmentalize our every day actions by way of there overtly totalitarian surveillance capability's so they can build and control a better slave society.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: redoubt

I dont thing "They" wish to destroy our civilization, they just wish to control and compartmentalize our every day actions by way of there overtly totalitarian surveillance capability's so they can build and control a better slave society.

It will be the ultimate failure of that effort and several others that will lead to the end of civilization.
Enslaving society is just one fraction of the overall scheme.

a reply to: redoubt

Society through has always been enslaved to a fashion. These people just want to somewhat scale up the process.

What do you see happening with regards to the overall scheme, what there end game?

a reply to: andy06shake

What do you see happening with regards to the overall scheme, what there end game?

The concept is, basically, first, to destroy western culture which was/is built... basically, around the concept of democracy; where people rule, not government. In order to do this, electorates must be diluted and populations polluted from external sources... which is where we basically are at right now.

The ultimate goal is to re-render them out into something that lives in fear and as such, can be played like a fiddle. The problem, though, is one 'they' had not foreseen; the creation of what amounts to an incredibly volatile environment that may already be past the point of no return.

Next up? Panic will set in as the whole shebang comes crashing down into what could be basically described as a world war. No place on this planet will be safe.

On a sidenote, here in the US, the purposely installed divisions to create a civil war, will suddenly become something 'they' wish to uninstall but... it will be too late.

Of course, this is all very touchmatic and too, just one person's opinion.

I think we're way past what Orwell envisioned, but what do I know.I'm just one of those crazy conspiracy theorists that has been warning people for over a decade.

a reply to: redoubt

Thing is we are far to easily controlled. Just look at the way "They" are managing to remove our basic freedoms under the guise of maintaining stability and control by there creation of terrorist fears amongst our respective populations.

Yes the American public will stand for it, at least they will have no choice, as will every other western "democracy". Because Mark my words, if his is being used in the USA, it will be used in every other country, if it isn't already.

As another poster jokingly put "guns will save you", no they won't.

The only reason the public are allowed to keep their guns is so they can keep on shooting each other. If anybody thinks the public can forceably rise up against the government with their right to bear arms they are fools at best and idiots at worst.

originally posted by: humanityrising
a reply to: MystikMushroom

I'm not sure why it has to be one or the other, though I appreciate the comparison picture. It seems Huxley is the jelly and Orwell is the peanut butter in this sandwich, and if that sweet jelly ever runs out you can be sure mouths will be stuck together and peanut allergies will start kicking in. I really cannot see a difference between Thought Police and the implementation of this Beware software; the idea that someone's threat level can be accurately pre-assessed by web search history and social-media activity is absolutely ludicrous. Will a policeman's propensity to use lethal force heighten after learning his suspect is a designated 'yellow' threat level?

Oh that's just PERFECT! About 6 years or so ago, I was driving and texting and fat fingered the n word, on a 1st generation iPhone, when I meant to say *bigger* because the b and n are right next to each other. It's likely I might find myself in a concentration camp getting Steven Avery'd...

The FBI gun database NICS will be mis-interpreted easily.

Some day they could have 3/4 of the population listed as "threats".

Where there's a will, there's a way.

"21st Century policing" as Obama would say.

originally posted by: CJCrawley
a reply to: humanityrising

The program scoured billions of data points, including...the man’s social- media postings.

I've always had a sneaking suspicion that, by participating in sites like this, we are sleepwalking into our own enslavement; the PTB are encouraging us to be net savvy but, by going along with it, we are unwittingly co-conspirators in our own undoing...the consequences of which have yet to be made manifest.

Maybe the really clever ones are the minority which want nothing to do with the internet.

When the government scours my social media, they'll find out that I was engaged a year ago and am expecting a child in August. Other than that, they'll know nothing according to my social media. I've never even posted my house or vehicle on there.

If you're not familiar with the Milgram Experiment, you should definitely read up on it. If you wonder how and why they get away with this Orwellian crap or why we put up with it, the answer is simply, someone told you to...

Source
Milgram summarized the experiment in his 1974 article, "The Perils of Obedience", writing:

The legal and philosophic aspects of obedience are of enormous importance, but they say very little about how most people behave in concrete situations. I set up a simple experiment at Yale University to test how much pain an ordinary citizen would inflict on another person simply because he was ordered to by an experimental scientist. Stark authority was pitted against the subjects' [participants'] strongest moral imperatives against hurting others, and, with the subjects' [participants'] ears ringing with the screams of the victims, authority won more often than not. The extreme willingness of adults to go to almost any lengths on the command of an authority constitutes the chief finding of the study and the fact most urgently demanding explanation.

Ordinary people, simply doing their jobs, and without any particular hostility on their part, can become agents in a terrible destructive process. Moreover, even when the destructive effects of their work become patently clear, and they are asked to carry out actions incompatible with fundamental standards of morality, relatively few people have the resources needed to resist authority.[7]

George Orwell was more prophet than novelist in my opinion, but even in his wildest imagination could not have foreseen the extent to which his Big Brother would ultimately permeate every facet of our modern existence. I was reading up on Windows 10 recently and I immediately thought of 1984 and what a complete understatement is has become.

a reply to: LSU0408

They need to make an app that automatically changes some words to other words !!

Subscription based lifestyle = Future = no private ownership of anything at all.

It was obvious to me from the very beginning that the internet was released to the public for a reason. To spy on the public, else why would the govt release something so huge for free, no cost, no taxes.

1984 - Yes - scary and its coming via Agenda 21 or 2030 or whatever they are calling it now. Although 1984 was written as rebuttal to communism after Orwell became disillusioned by Stalin's murderous and brutal form of marxism, it still seems to show a possible direction to the future that is all too real.

Mega corporations are aligned with the UN and other govt entities to reshape the world as we know it to allow 100% control of its Citizens and you know who is going to be at the UN table.

Currently 3rd world Population growth is out of control which will lead to world wide food, safety and health problems with a deficit based world wide culture. Huge problems like those mean no big money for the elite.

IE the world wide cash cow the elite have now is winding down and all too soon it will take more assets to keep us Citizens alive than we produce in a modern and safe society.

The Derivative bubble is massive and valueless. Too big to fail and will be restructured.

The last mortgage crisis was one of the final raids by corporate on the pocket books of the world general population. There is not much left to steal except retirement funds and savings accounts which will eventually be raided and that brings me to the theory of a restructuring of the world where we will live in a...

Rental fee based society with no private ownership. Basically world wide Communism with a few elite at the top.
This Agenda 21 plan has less to do with a sustainable society at more to do with corporate and elite raiders becoming more powerful.

Its already been stated in agenda 21 - no private property ownership, everybody lives in mega cities etc etc and if you hate Obama now just wait until he is becomes a part of the UN.

At some point int he future Life will basically be totalitarian rule with the purpose of all citizens paying into a subscription based lifestyle where you own nothing and there will be two classes - the workers and the elite.

We have seen it with Computer software lately where these software corporations figured out that they cant make big money simply selling software once that you own forever, however they can make big money if you pay a monthly or yearly subscription. Right now they are trying to sell the idea but some companies like Adobe are stopping sales all together and going subscription based only.

IE in the future

If you dont pay, you dont play
If you dont pay, you dont live.

All this latest insane immigration is part of it and Merkel along with Obama and other world leaders who are complying have all probably been offered a seat at the UN table if they comply.

Several things have to happen now to move the plan forward...

Break down all social and religious boundaries and country borders - already started.
Gun control and ammunition control - already started. Obama is on record stateing he feels no citizen in the world should own a gun.
No physical money, no precious metal ownership of any kind. all electronic credit based society - already started.
Education Reform to align children with the agenda - already started.
Human tagging of some sort. RFID implants, DNA sniffers etc.

Followed by more stricter controls later.

Break down society and religion, break down borders, bankrupt the world and trow it into chaos then offer the solution of a 1984 style world where once your usefulness is over you will become obsolete.

originally posted by: redoubt
a reply to: humanityrising

1984. It really is happening, isn't it?

IMESHO, yes. It's happening now, as we speak... and it will likely conclude with the destruction of civilization as we know it.

On the upside, should the human species survive itself, this lesson will be one that is learned and never allowed to be shuffled off by following generations. From there, maybe we can get it right.

Maybe.

...

I'm really starting to feel like it's Us versus the Federal Government with the exception of the military. I feel like they would mostly side with us. Just for the record, this has nothing to do with my disdain for the current administration. I think it's been going downhill for a while now.

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: humanityrising

It should therefore be mandatory for all politicians, police officers and indeed all public servants and government workers to have a threat score assessment undertaken and the results published to protect the interests of voters and taxpayers.

It could be an awesome tool to weed out the criminals currently holding positions of authority and power.

Except they'll all come out green. Deep pockets/government associates will always come out green.

It's been becoming more of a reality for better than a decade. You're only just now seeing it in places like law enforcement, but it's been going on for a lot longer than this.

It really started, in the public domain anyway, with electronic banking. Knowing where and how people spend money is invaluable to controlling the masses. Currency is becoming less and less a mode of exchange these days. The metrics they generate from electronic transactions are invaluable.

Then with the advent of both the internet, as well as cellular phone, technology the whole metrics game took on a whole new dimension. Now they know not only where you are, but what interests you and what things you research. Take this and couple it with how you spend your money and you have a very solid Orwellian foundation.

Add to this the world's insatiable appetite for reality based services (i.e. maps, satellite images, youtube videos, etc., etc.) and you have public support (read: money) for putting cameras everywhere, sensors on everything.

Yep..."There's an App for that!

People mindlessly download all manner of applets to their phones and tablets, and if people ever took a moment to look at what "other" information these applets access they would be SHOCKED!

Add in technology like drones, autonomous cars, automation at every level and a heavy dose of Political Correctness; it's not going to be long before you're going to need permission from the Thought Police for everything. It's almost inevitable.

The mentality has been to launch these different technologies in areas where they are the most convenient and helpful. This way these technologies become accepted by the mainstream, and people don't object. But like anything else, they continue to creep further and further into people's lives...because people let them.

The electronic surveillance net is closing in on everyone. Soon there will be nowhere to hide from Big Brother, nowhere at all.