Bernie Sanders 30 years of a consistent message

Im no fan of the IRS, income taxes were meat to be a temporary measure to pay for the war effort. The IRS should be obliterated IMO, but its here to stay unless a revolution happens.

With that said, as bad as the IRS is, you really want to make America a socialist nation? Lol, ok. Thats just insane. Buut whatever, like I said, we get what we deserve here.

a reply to: Wookiep

So, taxes on everything but income?

I don't think people want to make America a "Socialist Nation."
I don't think Bernie does, either.
You see, this is where the hyperbole and extremism get in the way. You look at Bernie and see Lenin 2.0, but that really isn't what he is.

NO taxes, including income taxes, some would argue income taxes are unconstitutional, they are forced after all, no matter how much you make.

If people don't want to make America a 'socialist nation' then why all the hype for bernie? You must already know he's an open socialist, with no bones about it, right?

a reply to: Wookiep I would much rather pay to help a family pumping out kids than to fund the US industrial war business. I would much prefer my taxes going to veterans rather than subsidizing agro giants like ConAgra and Monsanto. We pay taxes, like it or not, but it seems pretty silly to insist that taxes must fund the corporations, not people.
If that makes me a socialist, then rock on.

If you guys think bernie is going make your taxes go to feed the needy then you are delusional. Lol. I have nothing more to say.

a reply to: Wookiep

Didn't you say?

Limited social programs are fine, just like taxes.

Either you've changed your mind very quickly, or we have a misunderstanding.


You must already know you really don't seem to know what you're talking about when it comes to Socialism and Sanders, I've told you twice already. (This is the third time.) Sanders wants to incorporate proven socialistic elements (even if they aren't really socialist, we just call them that) like SIngle-Payer healthcare. Which is better than what currently exists in practically every single way. Better coverage, less expensive, etc.
He does not want to make America a "Socialist Nation" as that implies pure Socialism, which we both agree is bad.
He doesn't even really want to make it mostly Socialist.

Is the TPP Socialist or Capitalist?

Oh, right, and in regards to Bernie's top tax rate, this is very helpful.

I'll believe bernie doesnt want to make this country socialist when he stops calling himself a socialist. That is his biggest downfall. Candy coat it however you want, whatever makes you feel better.

Paying taxes does not make a socialist nation, yet, at least not on the scale Im talking about. I do believe income taxes are unconstitutional, but Ive already said that. I guess you arent listening.

Good luck with your socialist utopian dream people.

originally posted by: Tiamat384
a reply to: enlightenedservant
Im not a fool. Also. Things I agree with. Things that I want? Not necesarily.

LOL You just posted this:

This is my issue with Sanders. I agree with a lot of what he says. BUT they are all pipe dreams. Sure. I can want it. But it won't happen.

I literally replied to what you typed. Also, I never called you a fool, so what'd you mean by that?

Sanders is a man still in the 60s through 70s and the hippie socio/communist outlook . Thus the OP about 30+ years of the same message. Nothing new. All someone needs to do is bring him into the 21st century and he may be a viable candidate.

a reply to: Gothmog

So... Corporate corruption and selling your countries rights to foreign entities for pennies, huh?

originally posted by: Gumerk
Bernie Sanders 30 years of a consistent message. Fighting for the middle class of America and American Veterans for 30 years. Once Bernie breaks through and they can't ignore him anymore it's gonna be like when they took the signal down in "They Live." As the universe is my witness I love this man -- my human brother

I am neither 'middle class', nor am I a vet.
So.... just assuming, for a moment, that the words from a politicians mouth have any 'weight' at all, and this is tough, if I were to vote got your boy, what will he do for me?
And what makes you think that anything that he has said, thus far, will still be his feelings and thoughts once he tasted heady (and corrupting) 'Power' (tm)!
No one seems to have achieved this, yet.
We just mindlessly keep feeding our virgins to the volcano...

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Bernie Sanders has the most economic support out of any candidate running. There are 810 economists, 210 who have PhD's, and 7 Nobel Prize Laureate's, that agree with his proposals. According to top U.S. economist Gerald Friedman, who has a PhD from Harvard University, per his analysis, we will save $5 trillion and reduce our federal deficit by $2.9 trillion over the next decade from no longer having the excessive costs associated with the private healthcare industry.

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Bernie's only presenting two programs that will tax the middle class. The first one is the single payer universal healthcare bill. This will be a 2.2% increase on income under $200,000. However, when you factor in the cost savings of no longer having to pay for insurance premiums, copayments, x-rays, etc., it will likely result in a savings for many. The second tax increase will be from the Paternal Leave Act. This will result in a minuscule tax increase of roughly $1.85 per week. The benefit far outweighs the cost.

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We already are a social democracy. We currently have 75 socialist programs here in the U.S. LINK

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originally posted by: Eilasvaleleyn
a reply to: Gothmog

So... Corporate corruption and selling your countries rights to foreign entities for pennies, huh?

I only got one word for this : What ? You did know Sanders was a socialist , yes ? I dont think he would go for that...

a reply to: Gothmog

You were talking about bringing him into the 21st century.

Though to be fair, NAFTA was founded in 1994.

originally posted by: Eilasvaleleyn
a reply to: Gothmog

You were talking about bringing him into the 21st century.

Though to be fair, NAFTA was founded in 1994.

That makes your statement even more strange. My post was about bringing the man into the 21st century with more modern ideas......As I said , I dont think that Sanders wold go for the ideals you submitted

a reply to: Gothmog

What are the more modern ideas you want him to adopt?

a reply to: Wookiep

Yeah, socialism is great, especially when you have to give most of your paycheck to pay for the 'less fortunate' and even lazy people pumping out kids so you can take care of them.

If you think the majority of our paychecks are going for the less fortunate, you need to take quick look at our out of control military budget! The U.S. spends 6X more than China who is second to none in military spending. A small portion of our taxes go toward American programs that benefit Americans here at home. Ever hear our government complain about not having enough money for a black project, foreign aid, military occupations or overseas bases? Hell no! Yet they will complain there's not enough money for Social Security, Medicare, and other popular programs that help American citizen's.

Where have you been? We're losing income classes under capitalism! The middle class is diminishing and close to 35% of the wealth in this country is controlled by the top 1%.

There's nothing wrong with having a system made up of a combination of Socialism and Capitalism. Many countries have had success incorporating it in their healthcare systems, and education systems. The rich in this country have taken advantage of creating Oligarchies to get around the illegal creation of monopolies. Just look at how many companies have bought out smaller companies in just the past 10 years! Have you forgotten about the Savings and Loan scandal? The too big to fail scandal? Corporate welfare? Sending factory jobs overseas for cheap labor? Government fraud by military contractors?

Who do you support? The majority who help these corporation become successful on the backs of hard working Americans, or the corporate elite who thumb their noses at us! They influence our government representatives and take advantage of loopholes to keep them from paying their fair share in taxes. How many of these corporate elite have been caught with their hands in the cookie jar and have never been arrested or jailed for their crimes? Their government influence also controls are justice system.

The definition of a moron when it comes to this argument is when someone who is not part of the 1%, supports a government system that caters to them and is influenced by them which has a direct affect on their daily lives. They than continue to vote for that very system that screws them.

I think we can all agree that government is corrupt.

Government wastes money, doesn't budget at all, and when it runs out, taxes more.

So how is making government bigger going to eliminate all the corruption and poor budgetary habits?

Bernie Sanders is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

His policies speak for themselves. Can't say that about any other candidate.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
I think we can all agree that government is corrupt.

Government wastes money, doesn't budget at all, and when it runs out, taxes more.

So how is making government bigger going to eliminate all the corruption and poor budgetary habits?

Why is it that the die-hard republicans always complain about government getting bigger, when the same thing happens everytime a Republican is in office?

a reply to: amicktd

I'm complaining about large government. Don't care what corrupt bastard is in charge.