Trump campaign says proposed UK ban over Muslim remarks 'a dangerous precedent'

originally posted by: Ksihkehe

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: Ksihkehe

originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: Ksihkehe


Actual ask the scots.

He is a real problem. Not joking. He has been on a sort of land grab for his golf courses and made a lot of Scottish lives a misery.

I'm sure. It's probably the most important thing they can be doing. There's certainly nothing more important they could be doing. I'm sure everything else in the country is doing fine.

Why do you keep insinuating that the Trump thing is the only issue in this country and everything else is therefore somehow less meaningful? Reality doesn't work like that and it's not really a good analogy.

I'm sorry that you're not mentally equipped to deal with what I said and process it.

lol, that would be a funny response if it was ironic, sadly it's not is it? As myself and at least one other poster commented, your comment of "I'm sure everything else in the country is doing fine." seems to imply that either the public or the government (of any flavour) in the UK can only deal with one thing at a time and that Trumps comments are at the top of everyones agenda. I guess that must be the case where you come from and assume everyone else is the same - we are not.

originally posted by: uncommitted

lol, that would be a funny response if it was ironic, sadly it's not is it? As myself and at least one other poster commented, your comment of "I'm sure everything else in the country is doing fine." seems to imply that either the public or the government (of any flavour) in the UK can only deal with one thing at a time and that Trumps comments are at the top of everyones agenda. I guess that must be the case where you come from and assume everyone else is the same - we are not.

I'm glad they can handle more than one thing in the UK. Congress in America can't even handle one thing.

Either way. How important is this Trump ban? Is it really important enough to be a topic of discussion? Is there nothing else that could be dealt with?

originally posted by: Ksihkehe

originally posted by: uncommitted

lol, that would be a funny response if it was ironic, sadly it's not is it? As myself and at least one other poster commented, your comment of "I'm sure everything else in the country is doing fine." seems to imply that either the public or the government (of any flavour) in the UK can only deal with one thing at a time and that Trumps comments are at the top of everyones agenda. I guess that must be the case where you come from and assume everyone else is the same - we are not.

I'm glad they can handle more than one thing in the UK. Congress in America can't even handle one thing.

Either way. How important is this Trump ban? Is it really important enough to be a topic of discussion? Is there nothing else that could be dealt with?

It will simply be raised as a question and discussed.

It will be one of many questions that will be asked and issues that will be discussed on that day.

a reply to: Ksihkehe

The fact you Americans are so het up over our border control is worth the discussion

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: dragonridr

We are not asking our government to discuss the election of the man, only the concept of barring him entry across our borders.

What disgusting, amoral, underhanded, dodgy and frankly obscene muck the American people chose to entertain as a candidate for their presidency is entirely up to them. Who we want walking on our turf however, is up to us.

Seems like your taking an interest in amarican politics. When in reality its bine of your business. Trying to take actions because you don't approve in itself is interfering with amarican politics though in a really inept way granted. I really don't think Trump would lose sleep not being g able to visit trhe UK. And I really find thr fact that British politicians deam this a big enough issue to deal with it very telling.

Trump says stupid things all the time most people do trust me if we took action on all thr stilupid things people say we would be very busy accomplishing nothing

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: dragonridr

We are not asking our government to discuss the election of the man, only the concept of barring him entry across our borders.

What disgusting, amoral, underhanded, dodgy and frankly obscene muck the American people chose to entertain as a candidate for their presidency is entirely up to them. Who we want walking on our turf however, is up to us.

Seems like your taking an interest in amarican politics. When in reality its bine of your business. Trying to take actions because you don't approve in itself is interfering with amarican politics though in a really inept way granted. I really don't think Trump would lose sleep not being g able to visit trhe UK. And I really find thr fact that British politicians deam this a big enough issue to deal with it very telling.

Trump says stupid things all the time most people do trust me if we took action on all thr stilupid things people say we would be very busy accomplishing nothing

You seem to be unable to grasp the very simple premise of what is occurring here.

It has nothing to do with interfering with US politics, as it stands Trump is not even a US politician is he?

The simple fact is that we have laws that state that anyone using "Hate speech" can be refused entry to the UK.

Over half a million UK citizens signed a petition demanding that our elected government discussed this issue.

That is what it is, nothing more.

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: DeathSlayer

I'd say this just shows thr sad state of British politics. There government is actually taking the time in parliament to discuss something in an amarican election.If I was British id be very concerned with thr state of my government

What!!!

Really you are going to say that.

Let me translate "it just shows the state state of British politics. When the people of the country have a out cry about a issue the government take the time to listen to them and debate the topic in parliament".

Yes dam our government for listening to the people of the country

originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: Ksihkehe

The fact you Americans are so het up over our border control is worth the discussion

I don't speak for all Americans. It's telling that you lump us all together. You have a real proble!m with "us" don't you?

a reply to: DeathSlayer

O course he would think that. But who is it dangerous for? For Trump of course because the entire E.U. may do the same thing now and rightly so. It is Trump who is dangerous! Just my opinion.

originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: Ksihkehe

The fact you Americans are so het up over our border control is worth the discussion

You have a great deal to say about any number of issues that deal specifically with America. Why do you think I'm worked up? I don't care about this pointless dksplay. I was just asking if they had something better to do.

Sounds like the UK is trying to ban free speech... and people are actually supporting this?

I may not agree with what someone says, but I'll fight for their right to say it.

I guess it's true that with the right excuse the media can fool people into voting against their own interests. Trump today, who else tomorrow? A bad precedent is being set here.

originally posted by: Konduit
Sounds like the UK is trying to ban free speech... and people are actually supporting this?

I may not agree with what someone says, but I'll fight for their right to say it.

I guess it's true that with the right excuse the media can fool people into voting against their own interests. Trump today, who else tomorrow? A bad precedent is being set here.

Don't think there against free speech but they do seem to ignore the irony in their actions.They are all up in arms because trump said we need to stop Muslim immigration until we can set up a system ti properly vet them. Meaning the US can control who enters the country. Yet we have people here claiming that the British aren't involving themselves in US politics they just have the right to decide who enters their country. Isn't it ironic they are worried about someone wanting to restrict who enters the US by restricting their entry to the UK??????

a reply to: dragonridr

It's just talk he will not be banned here is what is going to happen
MPS will have a debate all agree he is a pillock ask each other if we should ban him they say no.

originally posted by: dragonridr

Seems like your taking an interest in amarican politics.

I have never even heard of Amarica. It might be helpful, if we could all agree on a language to speak before discussions begin, don't you think?

When in reality its bine of your business. Trying to take actions because you don't approve in itself is interfering with amarican politics though in a really inept way granted.

First of all, I have already stated that if America wants to elect some morally filthy, emotionally retarded, money grubbing fascist to its highest seat of power, I have no problem with that, other than of course my concern for members here, who live in the States, and whom I respect immensely. That is an American issue, and for Americans to decide upon. However, it is up to the people of Britain to make clear what sort of person we want here, and since we can, and do prevent as many hate preachers as possible from getting here in the first place, I think it is only fair that we apply our law equally and fairly. Your choice of president is yours. Our choice of house guest is ours.

I really don't think Trump would lose sleep not being g able to visit trhe UK. And I really find thr fact that British politicians deam this a big enough issue to deal with it very telling.

Trump says stupid things all the time most people do trust me if we took action on all thr stilupid things people say we would be very busy accomplishing nothing

I hear you, I really do. However, Trump's comments do not comprise mere stupidity, but prejudice. We have had more than enough of that nonsense around here, and have enough with which we are trying to deal at the moment, without him coming in and stirring up every drooling halfwit from Lands End to John O' sodding Groats, into a frenzy of barely veiled white power buffoonery.

Let's be clear. We do not want him here, because of the threat his prattle represents to us, not to America. What America puts up with is its own affair.

a reply to: Ksihkehe

Do you believe that your government should be more immediately responsive to the needs, concerns, and the will of the people of the United States of America?

Do you believe that your elected representatives should serve the public, respect their wishes and the direction in which the people want the nation to go? Or do you believe that once the ballots are taken during an election, the public ought to sit back and watch the merry go round, go round?

The petition system here in the UK is largely experimental still, as far as I can tell. But it does offer regular people the opportunity to posit, garner support for, and see an issue raised discussed in parliament. Now, given that our PM is our employee, that he is in fact and name, our servant, as are all Members of Parliament, we SHOULD be able to get them to discuss what ever we want dealt with.

In the UK, a day is split up into segments at the parliamentary level, during which a huge host of things are discussed, bills pushed around, papers proposed, and sometimes the Prime Minister takes questions from the House, often with hilarious results, usually that the PM refuses to actually answer anything, preferring to take the opportunity to belittle the leader of the opposition, rather than admit that the PM is a clueless man child.

We have a direct voice in what gets discussed now. Sure, there are lots of hoops to jump through to get a thing discussed in Parliament, but we can get it done. This is our democracy in process.

I wonder if this bloviating bag of hot air, would also agree that his proposed ban of Muslims entering the U.S. would also set a dangerous precedent.

It has nothing to do with opposing Free Speech, nor is it anything to do with interfering in US Politics, it simply has to do with not allowing undesirables and hate preachers into the UK, which is what Trump effectively is.

originally posted by: Ksihkehe

originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: Ksihkehe

The fact you Americans are so het up over our border control is worth the discussion

I don't speak for all Americans. It's telling that you lump us all together. You have a real proble!m with "us" don't you?

No only those dumb enough to support Trump or Hillary

originally posted by: Shminkee Pinkee
It has nothing to do with opposing Free Speech, nor is it anything to do with interfering in US Politics, it simply has to do with not allowing undesirables and hate preachers into the UK, which is what Trump effectively is.

Hate speech is still free speech. Undesirables? Isn't that the exact same word the German National Socialist Party used to discriminate against groups they didn't agree with?

originally posted by: Konduit

originally posted by: Shminkee Pinkee
It has nothing to do with opposing Free Speech, nor is it anything to do with interfering in US Politics, it simply has to do with not allowing undesirables and hate preachers into the UK, which is what Trump effectively is.

Hate speech is still free speech. Undesirables? Isn't that the exact same word the German National Socialist Party used to discriminate against groups they didn't agree with?

No it is not the same.

Quite the opposite in fact.