Cover-up claim over NYE mass sexual assaults

originally posted by: 8675309jenny
So what exactly is wrong with the title of either of these threads???

Are you implying that these events didn't happen?? Because you know what? The world is wakng up to this stuff

Obviously you still did NOT wake up. When I say, there is no cover-up this does not mean that nothing happened.
Also the rest of your post shows that you are still asleep. The nightmare you are in is not the real world.

originally posted by: 8675309jenny
WAKE UP.

And again you yourself seem to be asleep. I did not say, tourists are save in Cologne, but that the town must take measures to assure this safety.

But indeed usually this is the case.

Sick people from a sick country. They knew what to expect.

There are other disturbing reports from other major cities in Germany during New Year's eve, although for the most part at a smaller scale than the sexual assaults in Cologne which now numbers well over 90 in which several women have made complaints because they were sexually assaulted by men of Arab, or North African origin. This event didn't occur just in Cologne.

Berlin, Cologne, Hamburg, Stuttgart, Dusseldorf… New Year’s Migrant Sex Assault In Every Major German City

by Oliver Lane 6 Jan 2016

German capital city Berlin has joined the sad parade of cities touched by migrant sex violence on New Year’s Eve, with hundreds of assaults now reported to police in Cologne and other cities.

Although on a smaller scale to the unrestrained and un-policed sex attacks in Cologne, the Berliner Morgenpost has now reported on assaults taking place on the street “in front of the Brandenburg gate”.
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The paper reports (In Berlin)four separate incidents around the cite, including a tourist being sexually assaulted by a group of “three to five men”, and two women being “sexually harassed” by men from Pakistan and Iraq.
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More analagous to the Cologne attacks were events in Hamburg, where groups of “southern or Arab appearance” men aged between 20 and 40 sexually assaulted dozens of women.

Police have recieved 53 complaints of harrasment relating to new year’s eve so far, including 39 of sexual harassment. One 19 year old girl identified by the pseudonym of ‘Lotta’ went out to celebrate the new year in a ‘chic’ dress and high heels.

Spiegel reports their comments when they related while walking between two clubs, they were warned by a bouncer not to go down a particular street, to do so “would be your death”. Despite the warning Lotta and her girlfriends walked down the road but became separated by the men. She said: “I was suddenly alone… 20 to 30 men were standing around me… every time a hand went away, already arrived the next… I felt helpless”.
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In Stuttgart two 18 year old women were assaulted and robbed by a gang of 15 men reports the Stuttgarter Zeitung, as well as an unspecified number of other “mostly young women” victims. The state prosecutor warned against making comparisons between Stuttgart and Cologne, remarkng “The incidents in both cities vary greatly in their dimensions”.

Düsseldorf saw at least eleven sexual assaults in the historic city centre by “North African” men. In contrast to Stuttgart a police source here was less reticent to admit the scale of the problem, admitting “The nature of the offenses with which is comparable in Cologne”.
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www.breitbart.com...

You can see that links are given to the news from Germany about these events occurring in the major German cities, and wasn't an isolated event that occurred just in Cologne.

a reply to: Siddharta

So, even after the police chief of Cologne, and the news sites apologized for the cover-up, you still claim there was no cover-up...

D' oh. This will be a difficult post for me.

i so far defended the position that there was no MEDIA coverup. I still stand for that.

However, now new info comes up, with proof of a coverup by the Police.


KST ( in german)

In short, they controlled dozens of people on NYE, most of them had the usual asylum papers.
The cops let them go.
And completely left it out of the press info. Later the press started to ask questions, and the police and mayor straight out lied about it!

Official reason: political

Inofficial: they dont want to harm Kölns reputation just before Carneval.


I am officially angry now about this sort of behaviour by Police and politics.
This makes me fume.
This could be a spark for a fast and large fire in Germany.


And yeah, i guess i l be roasted now here on ATS. Flame on, keep it civil and remind, that i was wrong but i stand here to admit.

Need a beer now. CU later.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Not the news sites but only the ZDF, stately tv. I mentioned the positive report of the police on Jan 1 already pages before. A wrong assesment as was clear within hours.

I still don't call this a cover up, although there are even more questionable reports than you even mentioned. It is obvious that many people in responsible positions don't know how to handle things in this case.

I would rather call this stupid and a wrong understanding of pc. But since the German press is not covering up anything day by day we get more insights.

a reply to: svetlana84

This is not about flaming you, or anyone else, but to point out the fallacy that this is not happening, or not happening in such a scale. You at least saw new evidence and admitted to being wrong.

This also doesn't give anyone the right to use any type of violence, or make racist remarks to any Muslim person. Not all Muslim people are like this. But the fact is, a large percentage of these immigrants come from places where women who act like western women do, are treated as if they were prostitutes. These bestial men think that they have the right to treat any women who "embraces western ways and tradition", as if these women were objects for these men to use.

a reply to: Siddharta

Only some local tv stations reported the event. The nation media, main media, took days to report it (yes there was a cover-up even on the part of the main news media in Germany and abroad), and only after hundreds of women all over German major cities reported that they had been sexually assaulted, and/or robbed. Then thousands of people backed these women and the German government, and main news media saw that it was becoming a major backlash that they didn't report it outright, when they knew about these reports. So they began reporting it days after they had known these events did happen.

a reply to: svetlana84

Yes, it would seem that the press is coming forward with more new information every day. So, a cover-up on their part seems to be less likely. However, as more information is revealed it would appear that the police have concealed more than was initially apparent.

I have read about Carneval in a few of the articles linked in previous posts, as well as a few of the Der Spiegel articles. Google does a really poor job of doing the translation, however. So, it is sometimes difficult to get the full meaning.

It makes a lot more sense to me that allaying the fear of potential tourists is a more plausible explanation than political correctness. With millions of tourist Euros at stake, I can see how it is more feasible for the local government to initiate a cover-up of the events of New Years Eve.

Now in looking at the article that you linked, it looks to me as if the police force was, in fact, not able to control the situation. There was a wall of sober hooligans who kept the police at bay while their cohorts carried out their robbery and sexual assaults. And reinforcements were not available because they were occupied elsewhere tending to the refugee influx. Is that correct?

I also have to say that I can appreciate anyone who is willing to change their opinion when new credible evidence is provided. A lot of people here on ATS will continue to argue a moot point even when they have been proven wrong. Thanks for your honesty.

-dex

a reply to: DexterRiley


A large number, around 500, of men of Arab, and North African origin started throwing fireworks "at people" including at the police. This was the distraction.

Other various smaller groups of men used the distraction in unison, in total around other 500 (corrected) of Arab or/and North African origin gathered in groups of 20-30 around women, surrounding them, including women who were accompanied by their loved ones, and started sexually assaulting them and also robbing them.

These events all over the major German cities seemed to have been organized. It wasn't a spur of the moment event.

A member of ATS (UnBreakable) in this thread posted a link to an article in which a woman stated she felt something in her hoodie, and as she tried to take it out, it burned through her clothes and burned her skin. Pictures of her burns were posted in that article.

Here is the article.

Link

Made a mistake, the 2,000 number is related to a report from the police in Dusseldorf stating that they were concerned the attacks were linked to a criminal gang of 2,000 North African men who do these sort of attacks. But, the men in question are referenced by the victims and the witnesses as being Arab, and North African.

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Police in Dusseldorf, which is 25 miles away from Cologne, are concerned the attacks are linked to a criminal gang comprising of 2,000 North African men, who sexually assault women as a distraction before stealing their possessions.
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Link

originally posted by: DexterRiley

Yes, it would seem that the press is coming forward with more new information every day. So, a cover-up on their part seems to be less likely. However, as more information is revealed it would appear that the police have concealed more than was initially apparent.
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You think the national news media in places like Germany doesn't cover up such events in smaller scale because many such events are caused by immigrant radical Muslims in western nations?... Because it has happened before.

Some local news channels did report them, but the main national news channels and newspapers didn't until days after the victims complained in social media and thousands of people backing the victims.

BTW, I just saw this interview of a German, Ivan Jurcevic a hotel club bouncer, who worked in a 5 star hotel that evening which is opposite the Cologne Cathedral, and explained what he had to do while the police could do nothing to help some of these women. He also explains how everything started, and what happened. Apparently the police precincts were already full, and no transport arrived because there was none available, which is why the police released them, as ATS member svetlana84 wrote above.

BTW, when the subtitle says "shooting" I am guessing he is referring to the use of fireworks which were thrown at people and at the police.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
A large number, around 500, of men of Arab, or North African origin started throwing fireworks "at people" including at the police. This was the distraction.

Other various smaller groups of men used the distraction in unison, in total around other 500 (corrected) of Arab or/and North African origin gathered in groups of 20-30 around women, surrounding them, including women who were accompanied by their loved ones, and started sexually assaulting them and also robbing them.

Now you surprised me a little - especially with the first version you wrote. This is pretty much, what the police reported.

Svetlana changed her view because of new informations that really make things look very different. Now police chief Albers is really under pressure, because he tried to euphemise things, officers are coming forward with reports of how they saw that night of chaos, there were more identity checks, dismissals, arrests that night as was published and so on...

So there is much more reason to suspect a foul play than before. But it all leads to a police chief, who tried to play things down. I think we will see him take his hat in a few days. Hopefully the investigations will bring clear results soon.

originally posted by: Siddharta

Now you surprised me a little - especially with the first version you wrote. This is pretty much, what the police reported.
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This is not to inflame you, or anyone else. If you look at my first report, you will see that part of what i wrote originally was around the fact that about 500 men of Arab, and North African origin were throwing firecrackers at police and people, and this was a distraction.

Here is part of what I wrote in the op.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
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A group of around 500 men of Arab or North African origin threw firecrackers at other groups of Germans and to the police. Apparently this was a distraction as another large group of men of Arab or North African origin entered the crowds and attacked scores of people, including sexually assaulting women.
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You can go back to the op and see it there.

BTW, I do see that there were mistakes in my reporting while writing the op. I tend to read a thread and then correct errors, which i did a few times but it wasn't enough, as it should have specified more about the cover-up. However, it was all specified in the original link in the op.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Yes, I know. And this was why I said, it was no cover up, because this was already in the media everywhere.
Now I am surprised that you still use this story, since the actual informations make it look much more like a cover-up.

Though I think it is more a one-person-does-not-want-anybody-to-know, saying: The police chief wanted to have everything look fine to everybody above him and to the public.

a reply to: Siddharta

But here is the thing. This wasn't being reported in the main news stations or newspapers, meanwhile some local media did report it. This is part of what the victims, the witnesses and thousands of people who backed the victims were complaining about. Because the main news channels didn't see this story fit for their national news stations to be reported. Many of these women did not give their names, while others did, including one of the women who suffered burns from a firecracker thrown at her.

You think the main media channels didn't have reporters in these cities, or at least watched what other news channels were reporting? It took at least 4 days to finally show this news in the main media channels and newspapers, and even then the story was watered down. They only started reporting this in the main news channels after all the complaints from victims, witnesses, and the people who backed the witnesses complained for days in the social media.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Mea Culpa

First off, thanks for this link. It's quite detailed, and rather long. But well worth the read for anyone who's interested in this topic. The following is an excerpt from that Dailymail article:

However, German media and some public authorities are facing accusations they ignored or covered up simmering problems due to fears it would stoke tensions surrounding the country's immigration policy.

German public broadcaster ZDF has apologised for delays in reporting on the wave of sexual assaults amid accusations of media self-censorship of the inflammatory issue. The rash of attacks and thefts was only widely covered by national media early this week, after police had initially reported no major incidents.

News editors of ZDF's flagship 'Heute' [Today] evening news programme apologised on social media for not reporting on the incidents at least in its Monday evening bulletin, four days after the attacks. 'The news situation was clear enough. It was a mistake of the 7pm Heute show not to at least report the incidents,' wrote deputy chief editor Elmar Thevessen on the show's Facebook page. Editors had decided to postpone the news segment to Tuesday, the day Cologne's city hall and police held a crisis meeting on the attacks, he wrote, admitting this was 'a clear misjudgement'.

Meanwhile, Bild, which is the country's biggest selling daily newspaper, has accused officials of ordering a cover-up of the extent of crime carried out by illegal immigrants.

I also have to give you props for your prescience in this issue. Good job.

-dex

a reply to: DexterRiley

It's not your fault. We all make mistakes. Let's hope this situation doesn't worsen which is what I am fearing. The police might catch some of the men who did this, but they are unfortunately not going to be able to catch them all.

Not only is my worry about other women suffering at the hands of similar men, but unfortunately there will be people who will over-react to this and might act violently towards any Muslim person they see, and this is wrong.

Can anyone for the love of God tell me where the option to write a thread on here is? Please inbox me!