1,000+ Migrants Rape, Rob, and Brawl, At ONE German Train Station On New Year’s Eve.

originally posted by: SaturnFX
most women are seeking stability, friendship, and passion..quite often they can get 2 out of 3, so they go with stability and passion, then use others for the friendship.
Are you the friend?

Very good post imo. They dont realise that they need more than 1 man to fill all the 3. I found myself 2 times in the situation as a friend (and the recipient for after-alpha-male-#-misery-talk) until I realised that I dont benefit in any way of this ... and now I feel quite comfortable to die alone without children and a cat as my only female around ...I still oppose to "play their game and act like an asshole" because thats just not me. But enough offtopic for now

Yeah, of course, anti fa is all vicars and midwives reasonably calling out people on the errors of their ways...or...

As for insulting the people of the middle east I did no such thing, I pointed out how it's not gangs of Europeans ganging up on people to molest and rob them.

Nothing wrong per se with someone from any country, but to spout the lie that the vast majority of these migrants who do this are as civilised as the rest of us is pure balderdash.

They aren't, and bringing them in in such huge numbers means they can't integrate and can't adopt our shared values. That though is a slightly different argument.

a reply to: SaturnFX

About stability, friendship and passion: sure, they are all important. But the typical alpha-male does not provide either. At best he provides a day or at best a few weeks of good sex (nothing wrong with that, of course) - and then he goes on and tries to "score" a new "love". Thank goodness we don't have many real alpha-males anymore, they are a nuisance to women and men both alike..

a reply to: SprocketUK

The problem is that the people come and come. How do you react to this? Even Germany left Greece and Italy alone for a long time. When they started to move north, Merkel said: Okay, we will take them. This was the first action to relieve Greece and Italy. Now she is accused for ALL the misery.

The flood will not stop in the future. How do we react? Build walls? Shoot? Welcome them?

I don't think anybody has a clear answer. We all would like to react differently in every case. I already saw pictures of Assad's friends as well as of radical islamists infront of the Cologne cathedrale, besides pictures of them in the war zone. I don't want those people in my town. But we must help those, who suffer from the bombings and attacks.

You can bet that those a*holes were not part of the NYE incidents. Still they are probably more dangerous. It is a difficult situation and no simple solutions are at hand. The world is changing. We have no other choice than to cope with it.

Again, I believe my country will be a pioneer in solving these problems. While others still don't accept reality, we will cope with it.

originally posted by: SprocketUK
Yeah, of course, anti fa is all vicars and midwives reasonably calling out people on the errors of their ways...or...

Of course not. Why do you try to oversimplify matters all the time? There are probably a lot of fine people in both camps and there are rotten eggs in both baskets too. It's exactly this type of oversimplification that is the reason people think they should "choose sides" and "join ranks". I'm an anarchist, I prefer thinking for myself, in as far as that is possible in a world that constantly divides itself in "good" and "bad" folks and media that can only survive if they are overly sensationalist...

As for insulting the people of the middle east I did no such thing, I pointed out how it's not gangs of Europeans ganging up on people to molest and rob them.

Roughly 8000 people are being raped in Germany on a yearly basis. Most of them by Germans. So, actually, you'd be closer to the truth if you wrote "gangs of Europeans rape Germans" than if you'd write "gangs of North Africans rape Germans".

Nothing wrong per se with someone from any country, but to spout the lie that the vast majority of these migrants who do this are as civilised as the rest of us is pure balderdash.

Certainly not - the vast majority of these migrants are roughly as civilised as we are. There are idiots amongst them, hooligans, robbers, thieves, rapists and murderers - like there are amongst "us civilised people". But the vast majority of these migrants ARE as civilised as the rest of us.

They aren't, and bringing them in in such huge numbers means they can't integrate and can't adopt our shared values. That though is a slightly different argument.

By the same authority you have, I can say "they are". They CAN integrate, but it requires a number of things, and the first and most important of all is maintain dignity, manner and decorum, and solidarity. On both sides, we should learn to give in a bit. Only if one of the sides is not prepared to do this, we will have severe problems. All the polarisation that is going on does not do anybody any good. These people are here to stay, but we aren't going anywhere either. So, we should find common ground and learn to live together.

originally posted by: Siddharta
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Not really the shame for the crimes of our ancestors. More the shame of having downed the times of the German poets and thinkers, covering the great times in a blanket with a swastika.

Yes, I really feel ashamed for this.

Germans have got nothing to be ashamed of. Even in yesteryear things were done in war that were bad real bad on all sides. Sure the Germans did the ultimate crime by targeting Jews for concentrating them in ghettos, but lets be honest this had been going on since time back and also lets be honest the whole of Europe was aghast at Socialism which was engulfing the continent and Jews were largely the driving force behind this ideal. Jewish revolutionaries were taking down the old order and they were the enemy of capitalist society. When somebody (Germany) stepped up to the bar to fight Socialism the whole of Europe turned a blind eye to this fight against the "terror" of that age. A minority of Jews were this terrorism back then and I can say that to you with honesty. A war was on for survival of the capitalist system.

All the making the German feel bad and the rewiring of the brain, yes it worked on the following generation but the British were really bad too (for hundreds of years total genocide in north america and Australia not to mention crimes in africa and India), the Russians were unbelievably bad, heck the German east was Slavified by population expulsions and mass murder in Prussia, Sliesen, Sudeten etc.

Never feel ashamed, the Germany of today is a wonderful place. Best cities in Europe, hey how is Berlin? Awesome! Munich............... Awesome! You make the most amazing engineering products (and beer ) like Beemers and Mercs and Porsche. It's all good stuff, you literally keep Europe going as a serious player in the world. Without Germany can you imagine the rest of Europe? A total blundering economic joke.

Time for Germany to let go of the guilt phase and start being proud again. Time to start playing a real role in world affairs again.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Hehe, yes we are in the game again. But obviously people don't like, how we play it.

They have no other choice, I guess. Nobody is acting. So we are determining the course.

Let's say, I would be proud of Germany, if there weren't those idiots, who are proud of Germany.

originally posted by: ForteanOrg

originally posted by: SprocketUK
Yeah, of course, anti fa is all vicars and midwives reasonably calling out people on the errors of their ways...or...

Of course not. Why do you try to oversimplify matters all the time? There are probably a lot of fine people in both camps and there are rotten eggs in both baskets too. It's exactly this type of oversimplification that is the reason people think they should "choose sides" and "join ranks". I'm an anarchist, I prefer thinking for myself, in as far as that is possible in a world that constantly divides itself in "good" and "bad" folks and media that can only survive if they are overly sensationalist...

As for insulting the people of the middle east I did no such thing, I pointed out how it's not gangs of Europeans ganging up on people to molest and rob them.

Roughly 8000 people are being raped in Germany on a yearly basis. Most of them by Germans. So, actually, you'd be closer to the truth if you wrote "gangs of Europeans rape Germans" than if you'd write "gangs of North Africans rape Germans".

Nothing wrong per se with someone from any country, but to spout the lie that the vast majority of these migrants who do this are as civilised as the rest of us is pure balderdash.

Certainly not - the vast majority of these migrants are roughly as civilised as we are. There are idiots amongst them, hooligans, robbers, thieves, rapists and murderers - like there are amongst "us civilised people". But the vast majority of these migrants ARE as civilised as the rest of us.

They aren't, and bringing them in in such huge numbers means they can't integrate and can't adopt our shared values. That though is a slightly different argument.

By the same authority you have, I can say "they are". They CAN integrate, but it requires a number of things, and the first and most important of all is maintain dignity, manner and decorum, and solidarity. On both sides, we should learn to give in a bit. Only if one of the sides is not prepared to do this, we will have severe problems. All the polarisation that is going on does not do anybody any good. These people are here to stay, but we aren't going anywhere either. So, we should find common ground and learn to live together.

Keep on pushing that kool aid fella.

What the hell has 8000 disconnected rapes by non immigrant people got to do with this?
Is your answer that because some people do bad things we must never prevent others doing bad things?

Like I said, European men don't mob up to rob and assault women of an evening.
They don't do it because they grow up in a tolerant and ordered environment. They have girls as friends and more throughout their lives and learn respect for each other.

Bringing in thousands and thousands of people from parts of the world where they never had those experiences and generally are pretty savage places veering from civil unrest all the time to outright war is idiotic.

And if as you say, they can all be civilised and integrated I have to ask why they weren't. And why aren't the ones in Sweden? Or Finland? Or all those hundreds of connected gangs from Rotherham and other cities in the UK?

Frankly it's reaching the point where I just don't think it's right to import more trouble. Life is hard enough without sharing oxygen with these pests.

originally posted by: SprocketUKKeep on pushing that kool aid fella.

Oh, how disappointing - you're resolving to ad hominem attacks. And rather distasteful (sic) ones too.

What the hell has 8000 disconnected rapes by non immigrant people got to do with this?

It's called "perspective". I tend to try to find it and put things in it.

Is your answer that because some people do bad things we must never prevent others doing bad things?

Nope. Actually, you're spot on when you say we must PREVENT others from doing bad things.

Like I said, European men don't mob up to rob and assault women of an evening.

Just like North African men don't mob up to rob and assault women either. You're turning an incident into a problem. An incident that still has not been sought out properly either. You're jumping to conclusions and are all too happy to pinpoint the guilty, where even the police don't know yet. As I said before: you're oversimplifying.

They don't do it because they grow up in a tolerant and ordered environment.

Oh, come on. Check out the ridiculous title of this thread once more to learn how "tolerant" we are. Really..

They have girls as friends and more throughout their lives and learn respect for each other.

Your idealizing our society, methinks. Yes, we SAY we see women as our equals. But hey, I've been amongst many groups of men and heard waaaay to much alpha-ape braggadocia not to know its just a very thin layer of varnish. Did you know, for example, that women still earn less for the same work as their male counterparts? Did you know that most women are raped more than once during their lives - mostly by their partners?

I don't like rape, regardless who's raping whom. As I said before: seek out the rapists, gather evidence and let the courts have their way with it. That's how we deal with rape in Europe. Also, let's not brag about our own non-existing moral preponderance - it's not there.

Bringing in thousands and thousands of people from parts of the world where they never had those experiences and generally are pretty savage places veering from civil unrest all the time to outright war is idiotic.

We aren't "bringing them in" - they flee here and we, seeing their misery (which we partially caused ourselves!) welcome them. The overwhelming majority of them is humble and tries to be good guests. Many have thanked us for our hospitality and act accordingly. Yes, if you gather some random group of 10.000 or so, you will inevitably find that there are hundreds of criminals amongst them, regardless if they are North African, Dutch or American.

And if as you say, they can all be civilised and integrated I have to ask why they weren't. And why aren't the ones in Sweden? Or Finland? Or all those hundreds of connected gangs from Rotherham and other cities in the UK?

I did not say the all can be civilised and integrated - nor can some natives. Our society consists of many people and there are some that break the Law. This is a thing of all times.

Frankly it's reaching the point where I just don't think it's right to import more trouble. Life is hard enough without sharing oxygen with these pests.

Generalisations and oversimplifications. They are not all pests, the oxygen is not yours, and we're not importing anything.

originally posted by: ForteanOrg
"gangs of North Africans rape Germans".

The issue isn't a color of skin, nor is it a specific piece of land
it is a culture that united these rapist thugs. a hardline islamic origin from where they came from that found this to be acceptable behavior.

If you cannot condemn a behavior pushed by a theocratic culture, then you are an enabler. As an atheist, I have no issue whatsoever in pointing at religious culture harming other..I question then anyones unwillingness to kick this disgusting criminal culture from infesting our awesome western secular culture..do these people represent your religion or cultural norm?

Condemn it!

originally posted by: ForteanOrg
We aren't "bringing them in" - they flee here and we, seeing their misery (which we partially caused ourselves!) welcome them.

They have to go thousands of miles through areas that are fine and perfectly in line with their culture. no need to come to the west. they can go to egypt, saudi arabia, iran, iraq, jordan, uae, etc etc etc.

originally posted by: SaturnFX
They have to go thousands of miles through areas that are fine and perfectly in line with their culture. no need to come to the west. they can go to egypt, saudi arabia, iran, iraq, jordan, uae, etc etc etc.

Everybody would wish that was a possibility. But most of these countries are in a similar state, as your country decided to bomb it down. The other assholes are your friends and kill people daily. I am wondering, if the Yemenis will have a chance to start wandering north. They are feeding their babies with salt water right now, because they are isolated from everything, saying the Sauds fight against the Houthis instead of the world fights against the Yemenis.

Muslims are a target everywhere these days. I only wonder who are the next, when all the Muslims are gone.

We are fully awake. And we run into the catastrophe fully awake. ATS stands for All Those Stupids.

It comes to a point when as an ordinary person, you have to choose between poor options and ask yourself which is likely to do the most harm to you, your family and way of life.

Do you choose the left and their insistence you share your society with people that bring it down, spread thin resources like health care, education and social welfare even thinner? Or do you start to think that people you previously regarded as right wing nutters may be the only option since NO ONE ELSE is willing to acknowledge the need for change and actually do anything to arrest this situation.

a reply to: SprocketUK

That is the real problem. We lefties are accused not even to believe in Jesus.
You people would crucify Jesus again just like that.

a reply to: ForteanOrg

That's not an "alpha male" no matter how much they think so. Real Alpha Males, just like in the animal world, aren't those who can shout loudest or take what they want ; they are those who can make the most meaningful relationships with both sexes and are will be more often to be the one splitting up a fight then causing or starting it. Terrible misnomer that brutish misogynists are "alphas". An alpha can cook, clean and kick the # out of anyone and still be a great friend, husband, brother, son.. it's just our vucked up world seems to encourage the opposite at the moment..#uck and fight, it'll be alright, they always say..

by the same premise, this applies to the "immigrant rape situation" too. They have lost their alpha's, there is now just alot of disillusioned young males with no leaders , mob mentality rules. But don't forget star wars and what the smallman said, "Fear Leads to Anger, Anger Leads to Hate and Hate leads to Suffering" !!

a reply to: SprocketUK

It's certainly clear that we are being encouraged to think in the black/white, left/right paradigm.....pick a side or suffer a label ....ooo scary..

YOu can ThinK FoR YouRSELF You KnoW!!!

originally posted by: SaturnFXThe issue isn't a color of skin, nor is it a specific piece of land it is a culture that united these rapist thugs. a hardline islamic origin from where they came from that found this to be acceptable behavior.

"These rapist thugs" - WHICH rapist thugs? You made up your mind, now, didn't you? You don't need evidence, you're so sure already - they were "from hardline islamic origin". And of course, they committed rape. You KNOW, dont' you?

originally posted by: Siddharta
a reply to: SprocketUK

That is the real problem. We lefties are accused not even to believe in Jesus.
You people would crucify Jesus again just like that.

Not interested in what religion you are mate. That's between you and your god and none of my biz.

Show me a party of the left that is tackling these issues rather than avoiding them and casting around words like racist etc.

What options are there for the working class people of Europe who are most affected by the problems that come with such massive immigration?

If the left won't help, but just condemn them, why should they have anything further to do with it?

originally posted by: Whatever08152

They arent forced to but rather they have choosen to do so because you clearly show delusional tendencies and the one thing that is abundantly clear is that - opposed to most others I guess - you will relently and without exhaustion repeat the same things over and over again. And when people are too tired to answer to your posts you think you have "won the discussion"

This part might have a shred of validity, if it were exclusively my comments that were being ignored, but my comments haven't really been ignored and have been getting the most attention (good chat by the way guys, let's do it again sometime)

I'm talking about the posts made by other people, people who are familiar with Cologne and can actually read German, people who have been posting their life experiences and other facts. I'm talking about the entire 2 pages of comments earlier in this thread that went unchallenged, with only a half-assed comment made in relation to one of them.

originally posted by: Whatever08152
But to be honest ...I somehow see you point (somewhere below all the offense and laughing) ...at least I think I do - but the way you argue is so unappealing...

It's not really an argument, and I'm not going to put any kind of effort in to try and convince people, when they don't want to see any other reality other than the one they have already decided upon. I don't have to convince people of anything, when they can't even see that their own propaganda contradicts itself.

I'm just here to point all this out, and have a good laugh, when people can't answer to the facts. Because I'm not here trying to deny that a migrant touched somebody in their happy place, I've already stated my gripes with this thread.

But hey, Delusion is a belief held with strong conviction despite superior, overwhelming evidence to the contrary, right? I just pointed out exactly how and why the thread title is false propaganda, and nobody could deny that, all they could do was post some vague comment completely unrelated to the thread topic, or simply brush it aside as "semantics".

Delusional indeed.

So currently close to 400 women reported having been attacked/assaulted in Cologne on NYE.

A half dozen or so other European cities suffered spates of organized sexual terrorism.

At last check only about 30 arrests have been made with 18 of those arrested Asylum seekers. The others apparently are 'opportunistic migrants capitalizing on the open door policy.

The concurrent attacks across cities which leads naturally to the conclusion that this was coordinated, planned and executed mass sexual terrorism.

If it wasn't planned and coordinated then one would have to view this as business as usual for demented savages. Demented savages acting out just as they would on any NYE ? or demented savages who've cooked up a plot to molest young women and spit at cops? Disgusting and despicable either way.

Had Cologne been called to a state of emergency with a massive show of riot police, scores of arrest and subsequent shipping out of offenders....Then we wouldn't still be talking about it.

The notion that these men might be rehabilitated is laughable. They've shown their collective mindset. We got it.

As I read in one comment...Where's the Muslim outcry? Why aren't a thousand muslim newcomers in Germany walking the streets this week denouncing the terrorism committed that night?