Christian Scholar: The Bible is More Violent Than the Koran

people should visit local mosques and see it for themselves .

originally posted by: enlightenedservant


Second, what counts to you as "carnage & terrorism"? Have you actually looked into the American attacks on abortion clinics;

To be fair, attacks on "abortion clinics" have not accounted for hundreds of thousands killed. It is a bit of a red herring argument. The sectarian violence enacted by the different Muslim denominations against each other (and any remaining Christians) is a different order of magnitude.

Comparing exceptional violence by some wacko in an abortion clinic to the hundreds of car bombs and suicide bombers in markets, mosques and festivals is just silly.

originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: gladtobehere

I am still waiting for the example of hundreds of millions of Christians lining up to implement Mosaic Law and its penalties across the world in this day and age....

Or the 10s to 100s of millions of Christians who believe leaving the faith is "grounds to be put to death".

Or let's see the 10's to 100 millions of Christians who believe you should be lashed and or killed if you insult Jesus.

What?

What was that?

Crickets... yeah, thought so. Huge difference.

Ha ha so right!

The Bible tells us to die for our brother that they might believe.
Is that evil?
The Quran tells us to kill our brother if they do not believe.
Or is that evil?
A simple mind could derive the reason for Islam spreading faster
and which one is evil. No two ways about it.

a reply to: randyvs

All so called holy books have crap in them.
Didn't jesus want unruly children put to death?.

a reply to: boymonkey74

But you do know the Bible is unmistakable in what it says.

John 15:13
13"Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends.
14"You are My friends if you do what I command you.…

Luke 12:4
"I tell you, my friends, do not be afraid of those who
kill the body and after that can do no more.

John 17:19
For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified.

Romans 5:8
But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While
we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

1 John 3:16
This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down
his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our
brothers and sisters.

You won't find this in the Quran. Instead you will find jihad.

a reply to: randyvs

My point is both books have laws in that are abhorrent in this day and age.
Do you believe in everything in the bible? Do you follow every law? Thought not.
Same with muslims.
Sure the fundies attempt to but they are bat shut crazy.
All I see hear is one religion attempting to slap off another when they are both bs.
What's the matter you scared of muslims?.

a reply to: 23432

Nice vid.

My kid went to school at Northwestern in Evanston, where one of the Baha'i HQs is.
We went for an 'open house' thing (well, it's open every day for anyone who stops by except during ceremonies)......
went through the visitor's center and bookshop, the photo galleries etc.

It seemed to me to be the apex* of the Abrahamic religions....perhaps one day its tenets (and it was started by a Muslim) will catch on. It's not even 200 yet. There's still time....maybe.

a reply to: boymonkey74

Sure the fundies attempt to but they are bat shut crazy.

The Bible tells us to " above all things guard our minds".

Even so in our walk with Christ we are not to drive ourselves crazy.
Or even look crazy trying to follow him. Certainly many fall in to this trap
because they do not know the scriptures fully before they take up the
cause and run with it. If we lose our minds trying to follow Christ we
have gained nothing.

But I can tell you this is truth. By my Lord God, by my Father in Heaven
even tho you seem to hate me and have called me a liar on these boards.
Christ has taught me, that if it could save you? I should die for you.
And I would.

a reply to: randyvs

A hypocrite yes and I have called you out for not acting very Christian like but this is besides the point.
Why do you and others wish to paint all muslims as terrorist's? And evil? Are you so afraid people leave your religion to go to islam?.
I personally wish you Christians and muslims keep their man made clubs private.
Muslims do over here not so much christians.
Oh and talk is cheap and from your posting history you wouldn't do as you say you are an expert on lip service.

a reply to: boymonkey74

Why do you and others wish to paint all muslims as terrorist's?

I haven't done this BM.

A hypocrite yes and I have called you out for not acting very Christian like but this is besides the point.

And you're wrong. This is exactly the point.

Oh and talk is cheap

This is true. I said it anyway.

a reply to: gladtobehere

The truth is more violent than a lie.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: 23432

Nice vid.

My kid went to school at Northwestern in Evanston, where one of the Baha'i HQs is.
We went for an 'open house' thing (well, it's open every day for anyone who stops by except during ceremonies)......
went through the visitor's center and bookshop, the photo galleries etc.

It seemed to me to be the apex* of the Abrahamic religions....perhaps one day its tenets (and it was started by a Muslim) will catch on. It's not even 200 yet. There's still time....maybe.

I am forever thankful my mom was into metaphysics back in the 50s.

She believed in Many Paths --- that each person must walk Many Paths to find their own truth.

Although I was raised primarily Christian because different neighbors offered to take me. I got to experience a variety of Christian churches at an early age. For me it was about the people.

I once got chastised by a fundamentalist for saying church was about the people --- apparently it's "supposed" to be about the teachings. Even if the people are crap

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: boymonkey74

Just like most Muslims don't care what others do....
As Buzzy says we have to fight against the ones who care enough to hurt others to put their views across not the 99.9% of Christians who are alright and the 99.9% of Muslims who are alright.

Hmm, have you spent much time in the Middle East? I have spent a few years worth of time and I disagree with your point. Most Muslims in the West do not care and so ya 99.9%, but Muslims in the Middle East are rather different and they are a long long LONG way from 99.9%...

I think that has more to do with the country they live in than their religion. A lot of those you reference live in places like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Qatar, Syria and so on. That's not always happyland. It depends who their leaders are, who they associate with; how the scripture is interpreted. For example, most muslims wnat some form of Sharia Law, but they don't agree on exactly how to implement it. Some countries are more extreme than others, interpreting Islam very strictly. There're extremists in eveyr religion, but with Islam we have a relatively high number of anti-US countries practicing it in government; particularly Iran and probably Syria. Saudi Arabi is more friendly with the US, but still is a cesspool for this stuff.

We have to get at the roots of why/how the scripture is interpreted so strictly and violently in those countries. Blaming the religion itself I don't think is as productive. I think education level and cultural development are more important. I think those things naturally encourage a more secular view. Not an atheist view, just more modern.

One thing is true and those societies still seem very patriarchal. The woman are still seen only as mothers and not as capable independent people. I think this is partly hte result of lack of access to good education and opportunity and strong economy. Instead they're starved to the bone and reverting to old customs long discarded by modern societies.

My feeling is if we can avoid major wars in the next 50 years, most of these countreis, including Iran, will diversify on their own and become more secular. But if war cannot be avoided...

It could be both. It could be both religion and lack of development contributing to their extremist interpreations of scripture. I'm not ruling out their religion is somehow primitive and messing up their mind. But it's hard to separate the two. A primitive religion makes a primitive (intolerant) mind? A primitive mind makes a primitive religion. Right?

originally posted by: randyvs

originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: gladtobehere

I am still waiting for the example of hundreds of millions of Christians lining up to implement Mosaic Law and its penalties across the world in this day and age....

Or the 10s to 100s of millions of Christians who believe leaving the faith is "grounds to be put to death".

Or let's see the 10's to 100 millions of Christians who believe you should be lashed and or killed if you insult Jesus.

What?

What was that?

Crickets... yeah, thought so. Huge difference.

Ha ha so right!

The Bible tells us to die for our brother that they might believe.
Is that evil?
The Quran tells us to kill our brother if they do not believe.
Or is that evil?
A simple mind could derive the reason for Islam spreading faster
and which one is evil. No two ways about it.

so I take it Christians like these are somehow not "real" Christians? That seems to be the running narrative when one group of Christians does something decidedly non Christ like. and no...I'm not accusing you of using that line, I'm just preparing myself for the inevitable responses that I have seen many times here on ATS.


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a reply to: gladtobehere

Christianity causes terrorism. Not.

Islam causes terrorism. True fact.

The content of the Bible includes descriptions of many wars, and hard times of oppression for various tribes & nations, across a span of four thousand years. Of course it has violent content. That doesn't translate to violence from those who believe in the events as they are portayed, or who follow the Messiah prophesied repeatedly in that ancient record. Believers simply observe the content & try to learn from it.

Islam has a book, their only book, called the Quran. In it, there is less of a history, less descriptions of ancient trials & tribulations - but what it lacks in history, it makes up for in its call to its readers. The believers of Islam, by direct inference from the text of the Quran, are called upon to make war, to terrorise, to betray trust & abuse weaker members of the human race who happen to surround them as other tribes, communities & nations. It is an evil book, a scourge on the human race, and it directly appeals to its readers to cause chaos, which they do, regularly (you have no idea - the amount of terrorist incidents is staggering, we only hear of a few of them...)

Bible - does not ask Jews or Christians to go out & murder, rape & generally abuse people.

Quran - does.

It's fu£$ed up that people try to stand up for 'poor little Islam' with misguided threads like this one - it's a sham. Islam is brutal, always has been, always will be. Only those who are disobedient to Allah & Mohammed can be called 'moderates'. They are the apostates of fundamental Islam, why does nobody report on this fact...!?!? Scourge on humanity.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

Every religion has terrorist elements.
The guy shooting up a planned parenthood place was a christian terrorist.
To say one religion is innocent while the other bad is dishonest or just ignorant.

a reply to: peter vlar

so I take it Christians like these are somehow not "real" Christians? That seems to be the running narrative when one group of Christians does something decidedly non Christ like. and no...I'm not accusing you of using that line, I'm just preparing myself for the inevitable responses that I have seen many times here on ATS.

Hey Peter, I'd rather not see that guy get his throat cut if that's what happens.
And of course I can't account for everyone who claims Christianity. I was ahead
of you on this one I believe ( a rarity indeed). As I did start that verse with
" The Bible tells us".

a reply to: boymonkey74

We don't, but we do point out that there is a significant number of them who are. Why you choose to ignore this reality simply to disagree is beyond us.

Even if only 1% of the 1.5 billion Muslims are terrorists, that is a LOT of them.

Then there are the 30% or more of the rest who sympathize. That is also not a tiny issue.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

Every religion has terrorist elements.
The guy shooting up a planned parenthood place was a christian terrorist.
To say one religion is innocent while the other bad is dishonest or just ignorant.

He was a terrorist and a Christian. Has it yet been established that he did what he did in Christ's name? If not, then he was not a Christian terrorist like the other group who bombed clinics and shot Tiller who very did act on what they perceived their faith to be.

And the only reason I make that distinction is because when you start equating every crime that happens with the person's faith whether or not that faith was part of the motive, then you end up with a whole lot of Christian terrorists in a majority Christian nation.

a reply to: jonnywhite

We have to get at the roots of why/how the scripture is interpreted so strictly and violently in those countries. Blaming the religion itself I don't think is as productive. I think education level and cultural development are more important. I think those things naturally encourage a more secular view. Not an atheist view, just more modern.

Couldn't agree with you more.