'Reliance Defence, Russia's USC to build four frigates for Indian Navy'

a reply to: crazyewok

But no matter what our mistakes in the middle east are the Russian Navy is still a rusty pile of scrap metal

and yet we only have your ranting yet again...how does that work in denying ignorance?

a reply to: nwtrucker

The F-35 is working out very well. As your gov't will attest.

Oh sure, you didnt even bother reading the link

en.wikipedia.org...

By 2014, the program was "$163 billion over budget [and] seven years behind schedule."[20] Critics further contend that the program's high sunk costs and political momentum make it "too big to kill."[21]

Sure really really well.....

originally posted by: intrptr

Then why is the us embroiled in so many conflicts, have so many bases, distribute so many arms world wide?

Let's keep this to topic shall we, but to have the last word.

(1) I don't care for the US as I am not American.
(2) Russia is in as many conflicts as the US at this minute (Crimea/Ukraine, Georgia et al) and,
(3) It seems to me that the Middle East is awash with Russian military equipment from tanks, rockets all the way down to the AK47 and the millions of bullets fired to date.

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: intrptr
What? While the Western Paradigm spends its reserves in endless low level conflict, the other BRIC of allies is steadily building theirs.

And back in the real world. The BRICS are not an alliance. They are just the "top" developing nations. I say "top" because thet are not the top developing economies.

They wouldn't even be loosely affiliated weren't it for the need to oppose the biggest bully on the block (NATO). Hitler refused to accept the world would ally against him either, even when losing to them.

They do not oppose NATO, Brazil is in a military alliance with the US called the Rio Pact, South Africa is a leader in the African Union which has signed multiple cooperation agreements with NATO , India has joined Japan and the US to form the trilateral to contain China. BRICS has never managed a single trade deal because the nations involved mostly do not get along. IBSA has been far more successful because they have removed China and Russia from the group.

And lets face it China has been doing Russia wrong big time. Taking Russian arms markets with cheaper cloned weapons, stealing away trade and influence of the Central Asian Republics and pouting money into Ukraine including defense deals. Of course Russia has been selling weapons to China's enemies in India and Vietnam so Russia does not have much room to complain.

The fact is the world works to gain US favor. Nations compete to get the US to base forces in the countries and push not stop for trade defense deals. And polling around the world tells us most of the Worlds does not share your opinion.

a reply to: paraphi

(1) I don't care for the US as I am not American.

So you are dishonest, too.
But you defend its actions. Location in your avatar is: In the shadow of the white house?

(2) Russia is in as many conflicts as the US at this minute (Crimea/Ukraine, Georgia et al)

To defend against the encroachment of NATO into the void left behind when the Soviets quit eastern Europe and disbanded the Warsaw Pact. Each of Russia's moves in that region has been a response to US meddling in their backyard. They are defending, US / EU (NATO), is expanding.

(3) It seems to me that the Middle East is awash with Russian military equipment from tanks, rockets all the way down to the AK47 and the millions of bullets fired to date.

Again to defend their allies like Syria, in response to US western meddling in the ME eastern Europe and The Balkans.

Most of the weapons in the Middle East are supplied to insurgents by the US through Proxy. Of late more than just small arms. You forget the armies of toyota pickups, the TOW missiles? Turkish arms including tanks and F16 Falcons are US manufacture. So are the bombs they drop.

Whom else has aircraft carriers in the gulf(s), and the Mediterranean, surrounding these countries with multiple bases filled with troops, aircraft, patriot missiles, tanks, humvees, etc, etc.

a reply to: MrSpad

The fact is the world works to gain US favor. Nations compete to get the US to base forces in the countries and push not stop for trade defense deals. And polling around the world tells us most of the Worlds does not share your opinion.

What, polls by Fox News? The mistaken idea amongst Americans that the world still loves to be American. Thats changing because America has changed. An attitude those outside the US will adopt more as time goes by, if we don't stop invading and destroying other countries in the name of humanity and democracy.

They laugh at our dualocracy, quite aware of our double standards.

a reply to: intrptr

Mate, you need to keep to topic. Ranting about NATO and blabbering on like a stuck record about the US does not remotely link to India's deal with Russia to buy a four warships, and update some shipyards, as per the OP.

Have you anything to say that's on topic?

a reply to: paraphi

Yah, Russia is arming its allies and defending them because they know what time it is. Otherwise NATO will steam roll them just like every other country before them. The Russians aren't stupid ya know. They outlasted Napoleon, Hitler and Stalin, they recognize megalomaniacal empire builders when they see them.

Edit: Meanwhile, the propaganda machine will spin it like the US is rescuing everybody and helping them defeat the evil in the world, expecting everyone on their victim list to to buy it one more time.

Fooling no one but yourself about that. The world ain't buying it. They are arming themselves agains yet another Empire. Thats why the Indians are buying a ton of weapons and these four boats, too.

Here is the actual report, Navy didn't want more Talwar's that's the truth, Any way

Jackpot for Reliance, Key defense deals Signed with Russia

The Recent Indo Russian meet could be a very successful for Reliance, who signed number of memorandum's with Russian defense giants which include Russian shipbuilder cooperation USC and it's export Agent Rosboronexport, Reliance also signed another mega deal with Russian air defense missile maker Almaz Antey who produces the small Tor missile systems to the long range S 400 missiles.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: MrSpad

The fact is the world works to gain US favor. Nations compete to get the US to base forces in the countries and push not stop for trade defense deals. And polling around the world tells us most of the Worlds does not share your opinion.

What, polls by Fox News? The mistaken idea amongst Americans that the world still loves to be American. Thats changing because America has changed. An attitude those outside the US will adopt more as time goes by, if we don't stop invading and destroying other countries in the name of humanity and democracy.

They laugh at our dualocracy, quite aware of our double standards.

No not news groups independent non partisan organizations. Try The Pew Research Center for one. And you will find much to your dislike global opinion of the US have been on the rise for some time. Do you not wonder why India and US ties have becomes so close? Or Why old enemies like Cuba and Vietnam are pushing for close US ties? Or that Europe wants US troops on the continent? Or that almost every nation in Africa is asking for US and NATO training and cooperation?

Do you not ask yourself, if the US is so evil why is India angering China by bringing in the US and Japan for joint naval exercises. Why has India turned to the US to be its largest arms partner? Why is most of Asia offering the US ports and airfields. None of this is a secret so either you have not done the research or you have and just wish the results were different.

a reply to: intrptr

So you're reading this rather benign deal as Russia leaping to the rescue of India who, without them, would be steamrolled by NATO?

Huh?

Have you hit your head or something?

India enjoys very close relations with Europe, the UK and the US - there is no threat to them from NATO. India's biggest concerns, ironically, come from one of those BRIC nations you love to get all excited about (for no reason - you clearly don't have a clue what you're talking about), namely China and their pal Pakistan.

a reply to: MrSpad

And you will find much to your dislike global opinion of the US have been on the rise for some time.

I don't follow "polls" anymore than I believe the media or politicians. The narrative is completely controlled.

Do you not wonder why India and US ties have becomes so close?

What do you mean by "ties"? They are buying up US weapons, for one.

Or that Europe wants US troops on the continent? Or that almost every nation in Africa is asking for US and NATO training and cooperation?

Corrupt governments over there are greedy too, not overly concerned with their people best interests either. Besides, once militarily occupied, it doesn't really matter does it? NATO isn't leaving its established infrastructure.

What choice do the people have?

Do you not ask yourself, if the US is so evil why is India angering China by bringing in the US and Japan for joint naval exercises. Why has India turned to the US to be its largest arms partner? Why is most of Asia offering the US ports and airfields. None of this is a secret so either you have not done the research or you have and just wish the results were different.

In Japan they're protesting new base on Okinawa, whats your poll say about that? That the government is all for it but the people tell a different story. And you're right the US is dominating the world with its military. You can tell me all day people like to be occupied by foreign militaries (chuckle), thats what empires always say…

a reply to: stumason

So you're reading this rather benign deal as Russia leaping to the rescue of India who, without them, would be steamrolled by NATO?

I know how you roll, you always take content you object to out of context or twist it to discredit it.

But you're right, given enough time the Soviets, Nazis, Romans, Greeks, and a dozen other Empires before NATO would have tried to eventually dominate the entire world, too. Your refusal to see or admit to the cycle of history is telling.

Sell your happy distopia to someone else. I read 1984… which ministry do you work for, the Ministry of Truth, right?

originally posted by: intrptr
I know how you roll, you always take content you object to out of context or twist it to discredit it.

How am I twisting it?

You're the one banging on about some fantasy BRICs alliance, or how this deal is so India can protect itself from NATO!

originally posted by: intrptr
But you're right, given enough time the Soviets, Nazis, Romans, Greeks, and a dozen other Empires before NATO would have tried to eventually dominate the entire world, too. Your refusal to see or admit to the cycle of history is telling.

Huh? Whatever you're huffing, I suggest you stop. You're not making any sense now and are just rambling.

How am I "right"? About what? Where did I say anything about "given enough time..blah blah..world domination"?

originally posted by: intrptr
Sell your happy distopia to someone else. I read 1984… which ministry do you work for, the Ministry of Truth, right?

It's you peddling the fantasy dystopia, mate. Thinking BRIC's is some uber-alliance opposed to NATO when in reality it's a loose collection of developing nations that can barely agree on where to have a meeting, much less any kind of military alliance. Or how the US is taking over the world, or how their hated, or how NATO is plotting the downfall of your beloved Mother Russia - it's ironic really, I am accused of being some Government propaganda shill, yet you're the one peddling the insanely slanted Pro-Russia bollocks.

a reply to: stumason

How am I twisting it?

Like you do most everything I say.

a reply to: intrptr

And yet you fail to provide an example...

Here, I'll show you what you said:

Yah, Russia is arming its allies and defending them because they know what time it is. Otherwise NATO will steam roll them just like every other country before them.

How have I twisted it?

You're claiming Russia is arming India to keep them safe from a NATO steamrolling...

What NATO steamrolling? Why India, who enjoys really good relations with the West?

It's your fantasy - justify it.

a reply to: stumason

NATO is attempting to conquer the world. You support that and pretend, twist and deceive to the contrary. Pretty much count me out of discussing anything with you from now on.

You win.

Have a nice apocalypse, warmonger.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: stumason

NATO is attempting to conquer the world. You support that and pretend, twist and deceive to the contrary. Pretty much count me out of discussing anything with you from now on.

You win.

Have a nice apocalypse, warmonger.

Haha, brilliant. So, in a nutshell, you have admitted that you have this twisted fantasy about NATO taking over the world, which actually flies in the face of established facts. Why, if NATO was a threat to India, do they enjoy extremely warm relations with many NATO members?

Nice to see you admit your position, even if it is bat crap crazy. The only reason you have counted yourself out of further discussion is because I've shown you up and you have no retort at all, because what you're saying is BS.

originally posted by: crazyewok
But no matter what our mistakes in the middle east are the Russian Navy is still a rusty pile of scrap metal.

I understand nothing in navy issues, but the other day I came across the Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI) report, The Russian Navy – A Historic Transition. I assume that it is a very interesting document for those who is interested in these issues (considering that the last report on the Russian fleet by ONI was made in 1991, according to this article).

a reply to: SajeevJino
Thanks for adding this resource to the thread. While it is obvious that the author does not have English as a first language the blog was still readable and expanded on the OP brilliantly including many structural parts of the greater contract not discussed in the article linked in the OP.

sajeevpearlj.blogspot.in...