Newer Sharia Nations Ban Christmas

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: GuidedKill
a reply to: crazyewok

Well according to people posting here who support the article and those particular countries rights to deny culturally different people I would say it's not discrimination. It's just a difference of cultures...The Muslims understand it, why is it so hard for us to see it?

The constitution of the United states says otherwise.

I well aware of the document you mention....so is just about everyone in the world...

you have still failed to mention how it's ok for them to ban cultures under the guise of "cultural Differences" but it would not be ok if America was to ban Muslims under the same logic....When you answer that we can continue on this debate..

originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: mOjOm

Where are they shutting down mosques? You think that would ever be acceptable in the USA? The media would be all over that story. I know of stories of mosques being vandalized

I didn't say it's being done. I said it's being discussed openly and debated as a possibility. Whether or not it will happen we'll have to wait and see. But even that it's being promoted and considered is pretty interesting if you ask me.

a reply to: GuidedKill

There is a value within American culture that isn't outlined in the Constitution and that is self-determination. A country that isn't the US has every right to self-determine their own government and that includes things we don't like (well it's SUPPOSED to work that way, though the US has been huge hypocrites in that department for going on 250 years now).

a reply to: mOjOm

I believe if that really is the case there has been some criminal activity which contradicts public safety. Ever seen Louis Theroux documentaries ? Not all are peaceful.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: infolurker

Who cares? Did you want to go invade these countries and force them to celebrate Christmas or something? What happened to self-determination?

Stoning for adultery, executing gays, treating women like cattle is self-determination? We are first Humans on this planet, then Americans, French, Iranian, Irish...Evil is winning when the good men do nothing.I dont afraid to say loud : Expel Islam from religions, pronounce Islam death cult who is against constitution of US and all good muslim men (who are majority ) will kick asses of radical islamists among them.After that back Islam again in secular society.

a reply to: GuidedKill

Because we haves laws and standards in the west that forbid us discrimination on religious grounds.

They dont.

Its simple as that.

We have a culture of tolerance and laws tgat forbid interference of religion and state, they dont.

And the fact is what they are doing is morally wrong. But they are SOVEREIGN countrys. What would you have done Bomb them until the celebrate Christmas?

a reply to: mOjOm

I've never heard that but even if that did happen the Federal government would shut down any discrimination against religious beliefs, especially states shutting down places of worship

If we are going to have a real discussion lets not be naïve. Muslim countries are forcing their beliefs on it's citizens with violence and death.....When modern predominately Christian countries start doing the same then we can compare apples to apple. Right now we have one religion spreading hate and fear and one defending themselves from it....Ill let you decide which one is which.......Although judging by most posts here I'm afraid most on here aren't capable.

originally posted by: dollukka
a reply to: mOjOm

I believe if that really is the case there has been some criminal activity which contradicts public safety. Ever seen Louis Theroux documentaries ? Not all are peaceful.

I've heard his name but I don't think I've seen his documentaries or am even familiar with his ideas off hand.

a reply to: ChesterJohn look mate I don't care what religion people are. I take people at face value. Most Muslims I've come across this year have been perfectly good human beings, no one has tried to convert me or do me harm, in fact it's been the opposite. I'm not just going to start hating people for no reason, no matter how much people want me to. It's against my philosophy

a reply to: JDmOKI

Most of what you call Christian nations are really secular, hence religious freedom is a right. I am actually against religious repression anywhere, but it gets tiring that only Islam seems to be the one Americans criticize.

originally posted by: GuidedKill

How is that any different from any other country. Do a little research on history....I'm sure you will be shocked that the middle east has been claimed by many many different cultures and religions...Muslims were not the first....They are just the most recent....So what again was your point?

That was my point: history repeats itself (religions repeat itself) so let's not demonize just one. Another point is what Dollukka said: religions usually evolve and I know many British muslims that are non religious.

originally posted by: dollukka
Well still we need to face the World we live in now.. not what happened centuries ago. Religions evolve.. at least some of them.

And the World we live in have Human Rights.. at least in countries which are not oppressed by religion. Islamic countries like Brunei and several others do not agree on Human Rights.. you need to ask yourself why.

BTW i really like your avatar which is work of Jussi Lehtiniemi finnish 3D artist

You are absolutely correct, we live in the now, I was just trying to show that all religions have oppressed others and most cultures have also invaded others. I am not religious but it is tiring that only one religion is criticized all the time.

Thank you about the avvie! I know Lehtiniemi, I love his work!!

a reply to: xavi1000

Yes it is. We used to have slavery in this country. How many countries invaded us telling us that it was wrong? None. We figured it out on our own.

I know it sucks, but that is what self-determination is. You have to take the good with the bad. It is also supposed to be a core conservative ideal.

To everyone quoting the constitution and everything else I hear ya. I'm well aware of the constitution and our bill of rights. This is a moral question for you as to how can you defend that behavior and in the same breath say it wouldn't be right for America or other countries to do the same??? Are you people really that thick?? How do you not understand..


just for records sake....I'm an atheist so I really give to you know what. I'm just trying to figure out where some people get their logic from. You cant argue that they are right and America would be wrong in doing the same thing.

This country like all of the Gulf Coast have always had their version of sharia, the Wahhabi version, this is nothing new.


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originally posted by: GuidedKill
If we are going to have a real discussion lets not be naïve. Muslim countries are forcing their beliefs on it's citizens with violence and death.....When modern predominately Christian countries start doing the same then we can compare apples to apple. Right now we have one religion spreading hate and fear and one defending themselves from it....Ill let you decide which one is which.......Although judging by most posts here I'm afraid most on here aren't capable.

Good post , I´m surprised by some people and their thinking in year 2015 , 100 sticks on another naked as$ like a punishment for drinking alkohol is no problem for them until is not on their as$.

originally posted by: GuidedKill
If we are going to have a real discussion lets not be naïve. Muslim countries are forcing their beliefs on it's citizens with violence and death.....When modern predominately Christian countries start doing the same then we can compare apples to apple. Right now we have one religion spreading hate and fear and one defending themselves from it....Ill let you decide which one is which.......Although judging by most posts here I'm afraid most on here aren't capable.

Yes they are forceing there beliefs and have atrocious human rights records.

But what would you have done?

a reply to: GuidedKill

We aren't saying they are "right" in doing it. We are saying that they are allowed to do this because they are their own country. We don't have to agree with their actions, but we should certainly respect their desire to run their country the way they want to run it.

originally posted by: GuidedKill

originally posted by: Jonjonj
a reply to: GuidedKill

Didn't take long at all.

I played Devils Advocate and pointed out a valid argument.....Something your obviously not capable of...Thanks for your insightful contribution....The World is a better place with it.

No, you absolutely did not! What you did is argue from a point of view that was anti religion "according to what I want".
Here is the point, the whole point of this thread is to create more hatred towards a religion that has been shown to be anti Christian, hence the reference to Christmas. The problem is that if you use, as an argument, that they are wrong because it affects me "here" you are regionalising religion. So what happens when we regionalise religion? It loses any value, religion is universal right?
Point is, people who are religious saying that religions are bad because they practise what they believe to be their religion is fecking ridiculous.

a reply to: mOjOm

Well you should.. there is no agenda in his documentaries, his idea is to go in places personally and broadcast what he sees, he takes no sides to direction or other and lets the viewers make their own conclusions.

originally posted by: GuidedKill
To everyone quoting the constitution and everything else I hear ya. I'm well aware of the constitution and our bill of rights. This is a moral question for you as to how can you defend that behavior and in the same breath say it wouldn't be right for America or other countries to do the same??? Are you people really that thick?? How do you not understand..


just for records sake....I'm an atheist so I really give to you know what. I'm just trying to figure out where some people get their logic from. You cant argue that they are right and America would be wrong in doing the same thing.

Im not defending it.

Just saying we dont have the power or right to intervene.

We cant fix the world's problems. Bush tried and look how that failed. ...