Rise of the Radical Religious Right-(Read it first, b4 you decide to lynch me)

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
I think 5% is a high number for the average American Christian. They are just not extreme enough to get out of the bed on Sunday, so I don't see them as being much of a threat.

All very true. I just do not think people really understand the true magnitude that a religion like Islam plays into the livs of people. This is a religion that they live 24/7 in every waking moment. Every act they do is connect to their religion and is deeply embedded in their culture, and as you said an hour on Sunday is a big deal in America and about the best we do...lol

a reply to: FyreByrd

Ya have to hand it to em. They're slicker than hot snot on a chickens lip.

Creflo Dollar and all those preaching the prosperity gospel would be proud.

a reply to: mOjOm

Heya....my internet connection was more or less 'down' this morning or I would have responded earlier.........

This article that you posted/cited is FANTASTIC.

In the end, the radical religious right will brook no opposition to its total control of the United States. The religious right will use patriotism and national security concerns to solidify its grip on power.

The religious right is a grassroots movement as well as a national one. Local "cells" operating in churches run disciplined campaigns to win local offices by taking advantage of voter ignorance and apathy.

Yeah.

Twelve years later, and what he said is definitely coming to pass.
I just don't get how the "fundamentalist Christians" who are not aware of it are.....
well, not aware of it.

It's nothing new.

Awesome thread.....S/F

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

You ask how these people are unaware of the machinations of those who seek to control them, and yet here we are, on a message board, on the internet, which has one of the largest memberships of its sort on the net, at nowhere near one million members. Compare the actual membership numbers, with the population of the world for a moment. Figure out the percentage.

BuzzyWigs, you know I respect you, and I respect this membership, but the fact of the matter is, this membership can be described by many catch phrases, buzz words, or other oft derogatory descriptors, many of them utterly inappropriate to the task of describing the membership.

The only way to describe this membership with any accuracy, and in a manner which is difficult to argue with, is as follows:

A group of people, who are aware that there are questions which need answering, that they have been lied to about certain matters, and are unable to square the reality before them, with the line that they are being fed.

You see, even here, amongst enlightened folk, there are those of us who are unable to see the program before it executes, and mitigate for the threat it poses. Is it any wonder then, that amongst the billions, and untold billions of people around the world, or even the relative microcosm that is the United States of America, that many will simply fail to "get it"?

More info here,,,
www.publiceye.org...

www.theocracywatch.org...

www.rightwingwatch.org...

There is a dedicated core element that will commit any atrocity they must in order to usher in "their" gods plan.
Don't let the apologists diminish the threat that these people pose to our democracy, remember Christianity was forced on our people at sword point.

More,,,
en.wikipedia.org...

www.npr.org...

K~

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: FyreByrd

Ya have to hand it to em. They're slicker than hot snot on a chickens lip.

Creflo Dollar and all those preaching the prosperity gospel would be proud.

Check out Jeff Sharit (I'm not sure about the spelling) and his work on "The Family". Really Creepy.....

a reply to: mOjOm

I'm not sure what you mean by subscribe exactly. I'm not too concerned with who he is personally either and I don't see how it changes what is written in the essay. I read the essay for what it has to say rather than some analysis of the inner workings of it's author.

Just what did Webb say? The way I read his article was that he was all over the board bashing Christians who were fundamental right winger republicans. Whatever that means.

What did Jesus teach? Murdering forty million babies and selling the parts? Fundies and Jesus teaches that it is a sin but the Democrat platform says it is perfectly alright to murder kids by the millions. Jesus is the Begotten Son of God? Nope, not any more. That's just another ole fundie right winger republican Christian thing that this nation has corrected. I could cite the fundie platform but it's all just a control type thing that was a nasty ole trick to keep all of the people under the foot of that ole outdated book called the bible.

I wonder what this Webb guy is going to write about Islam and the good ole sharia law that's right around the corner? You guys haven't seen anything yet.

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: mOjOm
Ok, so first of all I know I'm going to catch massive hate from a lot of members for even posting this. But I'm doing it anyway because I'm impressed by how accurate this essay is being that it was written in 2003 by some guy named Micheal Webb. Accurate yet somewhat over done in some parts too. Another reason I'm posting it regardless of the blow back is because if you actually do identify with the "Radical Religious Right" or "RRR" in the context of this essay then you're part of the problem.

Regardless of the title one should keep in mind that this isn't a slam against Conservative Christians that we all know and love and work and play with every day. The "RRR" in this case are not teaching a message of tolerance, or peace, or loving your neighbor etc. They have however hijacked that title as well as many positions of power and privilege within our society as many of us have noticed.

Again, keep in mind this was written 12 years ago, just two years after 9/11. When you think back to those times and now quite a lot has changed. So give it a read, it's not that long. I'm expecting some hate coming my way but hopefully most of you can understand why this isn't an attack on Christianity or Conservatives in their True Meaning, but is very much attempting to expose those who use such institutions as a means to a violent end.

Rise of the Radical Religious Right by Mike Webb

Some bits to chew on:

The radical religious right has gained power only by keeping its true intentions under wraps, by using the Republican Party as a cover, and by portraying itself as conservative rather than radical.

A more troubling and perhaps less obvious effect of the exercise of power by the radical religious right will be the rise of militant nationalism in the United States. Many people fail to understand this because, again, they are thinking of the religious right as being Christian, and that Christianity is a religion that teaches peace. That view misses the mark on several levels. Christian fundamentalists believe in biblical literalism, and the Judaeo-Christian bible is actually full of references to war and an angry, aggressive God, and certainly does not condemn war.

Fundamentalist Christians regard the "religious left," which includes Christian groups seeking to improve human rights and social conditions for the poor, as being under the influence of the spirit of Antichrist.

Such Christians openly believe that liberal Christians are inhabited by demons of Antichrist that deceive them into playing into Satan's desperate attempt to keep the world from seeing the light of Christ's Word.

Many Christian fundamentalists take a dim view not only of nominal moderate Christians, but also of Catholics, whom they regard as Mary-worshippers and idolaters, and certainly of Buddhists, Hindus, Mormons, and Muslims, all of whom they consider to live in spiritual darkness.

Thar was ALL true. It is 100% correct. People disagreeing with it are out of step with reality.

So now people believe the Illuminati is some sort of group of radical Christian fundamentalists who control the GOP?

I guess it's a possibility, since the only sources Mike Webb cites for his information is huffington post articles from Frank Schaeffer.

originally posted by: whyamIhere
What your preconceived notions won't let you understand.

You can substitute the word "Left" for the word "Right" and it would be accurate.

There is a war for the soul of the American People.

Said the Radical Right...

Hyperbole much? The "soul of the American People" is not up for grabs..That is a crusader mindset assuming the spiritual spoils go to the victor...It never works out that way...It doesn't work that way..Never has and never will...the founding of America is good evidence of that.

America's premise will and always has endured...despite certain radicals agenda...

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: whyamIhere
What your preconceived notions won't let you understand.

You can substitute the word "Left" for the word "Right" and it would be accurate.

There is a war for the soul of the American People.

Said the Radical Right...

Hyperbole much? The "soul of the American People" is not up for grabs..That is a crusader mindset assuming the spiritual spoils go to the victor...It never works out that way...It doesn't work that way..Never has and never will...the founding of America is good evidence of that.

America's premise will and always has endured...despite certain radicals agenda...

You're right...

Your side had it. Now it's gone.

a reply to: Indigo5

A lot of people say the left wing and right wing are exactly the same, since they are a part of the same bird. I mean, is Obama really that different from Bush? They both got their campaign money from the same lobbyist groups and both support the same legislation (NDAA, Patriot Act, Torture AKA "enhanced" interrogration.)

I consider myself a Libertarian because I think both sides, the left (liberal) and the right (conservative) are just ploys to divide and conquer the public and I like to take a stance somewhere in between without joining a political ideology with a gang mentality.

They are not following Jesus example of just teaching people the truths of the bible, and letting them decide just like he did with the Jews of his days, sure he condemned the clergy, but the regular people he would preach to and let them decide.

If religious leadership is saying anything more forceful than that then they are the false ones, not the moderate Christians. There is one form of Christianity that is correct, those that advocate force against non-believers have always been wrong, and will always be wrong, and by doing this they reveal that they are false. Only God gets to judge.

a reply to: TrueBrit

Wish people would read your posts more often

, if you're offended then it might be because you like the idea of a violent Religious Coup.

nice thread

yeah, i've read a few posts on this very site by obvious wackjobs in which these guys seem to openly fantisize about revolution, and many more still from others who, judging from their responses, probably would have no problem openly declaring themselves in favor of a right wing u.s. theocracy. these types really scare the **** out of me. while delusionally proclaming themselves patriots, theyre a belligerent clear and present danger to equality, freedom and liberty, everything America is supposed to stand for.

Here, let me fix that for you:

originally posted by: aethertek

remember Catholocism was forced on our people at sword point.

Ok, I read the essay, and I have no idea who the author is (unless he is a British Architect?). Obviously, the author is a progressive liberal. He claims that not a lot is known about the religious right, and then counter-claims that by attempting to portray his essay as not ridiculing the right, just making their beliefs "open and known".

As if it were somehow a deep and dark secret?

I mean HELLO! Just go to any Bible believing church and you will quickly discover just how open and non secretive they are about what they believe.

Where does the author's paranoia come from? It read a lot like someone rambling on about a political enemy and their perceptions of why they should be considered an enemy of the State.

We all know what the "secret" agenda of the left is.

Subversion of Constitutional Rights. We have seen the assault on the 2nd Amendment, the 1st Amendment and the 4th Amendment by the current Administration. Should the "unknown secrets" of the left be exposed?

a reply to: GeisterFahrer

Just an FYI...

There is no left in the States. The United States of America, as has been previously demonstrated, wouldn't know a socialist program if it jumped up and kicked them full in the sack. Your left out there, is our right over here, and since European systems established the paradigm, it is not the poorly understood miasma that is US politics, that gets to be the benchmark for left and right, but the politics of an older group of nations and states, Europe.

It is somewhat similar to the FACT that aluminium is only pronounced correctly on one side of the pond, no matter how those on the other side of it, might whine about the distinction.

An example of how utterly incapable of realising the benefit of a social program the States is, healthcare. It SHOULD be an entirely nationalised system, where all major hospitals are run by the government, and all healthcare insurance is provided by taxation. Because even the allegedly leftist politicians in the States are little more than centrists and borderline conservatives anyway, this will likely never be seen in the States, despite the fact that it would solve some very big problems.

originally posted by: GeisterFahrer
Ok, I read the essay, and I have no idea who the author is (unless he is a British Architect?). Obviously, the author is a progressive liberal. He claims that not a lot is known about the religious right, and then counter-claims that by attempting to portray his essay as not ridiculing the right, just making their beliefs "open and known".

As if it were somehow a deep and dark secret?

I mean HELLO! Just go to any Bible believing church and you will quickly discover just how open and non secretive they are about what they believe.

Where does the author's paranoia come from? It read a lot like someone rambling on about a political enemy and their perceptions of why they should be considered an enemy of the State.

He's just a guy what's the big deal??? I love how you go out hunting down information on the guy looking to discredit him rather than focus on what was written. I guess since you have trouble arguing the topic you must try and attack the man, huh???

As most of the posts here have pointed out clearly his essay is very accurate. The fact that he wrote it 12 years ago to me means that if you don't see it you're a decade behind everyone else.

Ooohhh the "secret" agenda of the left huh. I'll give you some more time to make up whatever BS you plan on using to back that up.

You realize you just made two different posts without the least bit of substance at all to them other than your random unfounded speculation. Oh, also your failed attempt at character assassination which you admitted openly.

originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: GeisterFahrer
Ok, I read the essay, and I have no idea who the author is (unless he is a British Architect?). Obviously, the author is a progressive liberal. He claims that not a lot is known about the religious right, and then counter-claims that by attempting to portray his essay as not ridiculing the right, just making their beliefs "open and known".

As if it were somehow a deep and dark secret?

I mean HELLO! Just go to any Bible believing church and you will quickly discover just how open and non secretive they are about what they believe.

Where does the author's paranoia come from? It read a lot like someone rambling on about a political enemy and their perceptions of why they should be considered an enemy of the State.

He's just a guy what's the big deal??? I love how you go out hunting down information on the guy looking to discredit him rather than focus on what was written. I guess since you have trouble arguing the topic you must try and attack the man, huh???

As most of the posts here have pointed out clearly his essay is very accurate. The fact that he wrote it 12 years ago to me means that if you don't see it you're a decade behind everyone else.

Ooohhh the "secret" agenda of the left huh. I'll give you some more time to make up whatever BS you plan on using to back that up.

You realize you just made two different posts without the least bit of substance at all to them other than your random unfounded speculation. Oh, also your failed attempt at character assassination which you admitted openly.

Oliver Sacks is "just a guy". The point being, sometimes more information can be gleaned when the author is well established.

I didn't have to hunt down more information to discredit a paranoid leftist. I just thought it would be interesting if the author had written any other essays. For some people, that is a big deal. YMMV. For example, I highly doubt Thomas Sowell would agree with Mike Webb. Why? Because they both have differing and opposing political views.

I do like your cute attempt to somehow ridicule what I have said as if I am somehow part of a lynch mob. I have seen an increased level of paranoia growing from the left - I think Trump scares you guys.