Did you know about the 'Kardashev Scale' - Type I, II, III, IV & V ALIEN Civilizations?

Here's what many aren't aware of - The Kardashev Scale for Alien Civilizations. This is pretty mind boggling to say the least! This makes for a fascinating read.....


What a Rama type cylindrical space craft or a Dyson Sphere could look like

Theorists assert that, as a civilization grows larger and becomes more advanced, its energy demands will increase rapidly due to its population growth and the energy requirements of its various machines. With this in mind, the Kardashev scale was developed as a way of measuring a civilization’s technological advancement based upon how much usable energy it has at its disposal.

The scale was originally designed in 1964 by the Russian astrophysicist, Nikolai Kardashev (who was looking for signs of extraterrestrial life within cosmic signals). It has 3 base classes, each with an energy disposal level: Type I (10¹⁶W), Type II (10²⁶W), and Type III (10³⁶W). Other astronomers have extended the scale to Type IV (10⁴⁶W) and Type V (the energy available to this kind of civilization would equal that of all energy available in not just our universe, but in all universes and in all time-lines).

These additions consider both energy access as well as the amount of knowledge the civilizations have access to.

Firstly, it is important to note that the human race is not even on this scale yet. Since we still sustain our energy needs from dead plants and animals, here on Earth, we are a lowly Type 0 civilization (and we have a LONG way to go before being promoted to a type I civilization). Kaku tends to believe that, all things taken into consideration, we will reach Type I in 100 – 200 years time. But what does each of these categories actually stand for in literal terms?

And to think we Earthlings aren't anywhere even near Type 0 as yet!! But then, the Solar System came into being just about 4 billion years ago in a universe which is over 15 billion years old. It is thus logical to assume that there are other Solar Systems that came into existence millions if not billions of years earlier than we did. Highly advanced cultures on such systems would have technology that would seem not just magic to us but plain miraculous!



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The energy is surely there. We just have to figure out how to grab it. Then we have to get around the political aspects of utilizing it. Sadly, I don't see advances in this direction until the last drops of oil have been profited from.

At first, when I read the title, I had thought you said "Kardashian Scale". As you could imagine, I was terrified that some nutty scientist had named something after them.

Fortunately I was wrong, and it's about the Kardashev Scale, which I have known about for some time, and always like re-reading it. I find it a very fascinating concept, and it's very well designed. It really makes you ponder what could be out there and what their capabilities are. It's a very inspiring focus of thought. Makes me want to write a science fiction novel.

a reply to: Ghost147

Kim's ass is a Type 1 Planetary System.

originally posted by: skunkape23
a reply to: Ghost147

Kim's ass is a Type 1 Planetary System.

I'd hate to be the civilization that uses it's resources

Where does the civilization that likes things that go bang register on that scale.

Someone has made up a pretend scale based on sci fi and video games

Is it just me that finds these types of people fascinating, then they compare them to reality.

"You puny earthlings, you are inferior and weak compared to our pretend race"

Surely you missed out on Marvel and DC comics superheroes in that lot

a reply to: rickymouse

Type 0, I'd say

a reply to: Raggedyman

Nikolai Kardashev came up with the concept in 1964, and he was soviet astrophysicist. I doubt it was formed due to science fiction media, and certainly not video games. The scale is simply meant to categorize the capabilities and spread of specific technological advancements. It's not baseless nonsense, it's founded on critical thinking and technological futurism.

its still pretend and they had sci fi in the sixties as well.

a reply to: OrionHunterX

The thing about the Kardashev scale, is that being written in 1964, it is in need of some alterations.

For example, it is probable that our species will become multi planetary, even escape our solar system, WAY before we ever figure out a way to encapsulate and utilise the entire output of our home star. Physics is developing in such a way at the moment, that I am certain that aspects of type one, two and three civilisations could be achieved, without the use of a Dyson sphere at any stage.

It must also be said that just as we had no idea what coal mining and oil drilling, and the burning of fossil fuels would result in when we began the habit, we have no idea what the effect of erecting a Dyson sphere around the sun would be. A Dyson sphere is a solid structure, built around a star to harness its awesome power, but doing so would alter some pretty important variables which, at the moment, maintain the delicate clockwork of our solar system. Erecting a barrier around the sun, preventing its energy from being wasted seems like a great plan, but what if the pressure of the solar wind, which currently blasts against every body, and magnetosphere in the solar system, is vital to the balance of orbits in some small but crucial way?

Putting a barrier up around the sun, preventing its winds from blowing against other planets could have disastrous consequences that we simply have not foreseen, and so perhaps a Dyson sphere is not a viable option? Perhaps other solutions to the same problem will have to be found?

The scale, like all theory, needs tinkering with, and I believe we are rapidly approaching a point where we may become multiplanetary without ever having to utilise such a massive and potentially balance shifting technology as a Dyson sphere. The lines need redrawing.

a reply to: OrionHunterX

While, yes, I've heard of it, and it is a great theory with many philosophical concepts..

We have nothing factual to base these assertions upon. I love musing about this stuff. But so far it's all conjecture.

a reply to: Raggedyman

Yes, and that means the concept was based off of science fiction media because...?

The scale doesn't suggest that these civilizations exist (if it did, then I would agree with you) . It is formulated to show what would likely be the source of resources and the spread of the population for various stages of advancement for civilizations. It could very well have been initially designed to categorize our own advancements in technology and then elaborated on that.

The same methodology of thinking exists elsewhere, and it's not considered "pretend" because the concept is based on observations and research, then that information is applied to form a description (and in some cases prediction) of events not yet seen. A good example would be Ray Kurzeil's technological advancement predictions. The predictions are made using very detailed mathematical models and observations using current technology and how quickly it advances to predict when and what future technologies we will have. His track-record and accuracy is amazing, which means it certainly is not 'pretend'.

I suppose critical thinking methods could be viewed as pretend to some individuals, however.

originally posted by: OrionHunterX
Here's what many aren't aware of - The Kardashev Scale for Alien Civilizations.

I maybe would have went with "Here's what many who aren't on ATS aren't aware of" as I have seen the Kardashev Scale brought up and discussed on here a lot over the years, in fact I believe I first learned about its existence on here before I signed up. That being said, it's a great topic, thank you for bringing it up.

originally posted by: Raggedyman
Someone has made up a pretend scale based on sci fi and video games

Is it just me that finds these types of people fascinating, then they compare them to reality.

"You puny earthlings, you are inferior and weak compared to our pretend race"

Surely you missed out on Marvel and DC comics superheroes in that lot

The scale is, obviously hypothetical but it was the work of Soviet Astronomer Nikolai Kardashev. After a great deal of research he came up with the first 3 levels in 1967, the rest have been added since but by scientific minds. Nothing to do with video Games, sorry to disappoint you.

no scientist today would agree with this non sense.

imagine how improbable this hypothesis. its not even plausible.

just silence that little voice that is telling you to forget that (as we can observe them) time is not finite, space-time (time as distance), multiverses, etc...

think of it this way, if such a civilization classes could exist, then surely all that would exist would be just the civilization that which figured out to harness all energy.
we would be all that civilization right now. if we are aware of such a civilization at this juncture to be a possibility, then such civilization cant exist, otherwise we would be them and not even question the existence of such civilization.


understand this...?

Hmm were Zeroth Kind right now...

Makes me worry, what if we are the most advanced on this scale in the universe as of right now?

CoBaZ

originally posted by: odzeandennz
think of it this way, if such a civilization classes could exist, then surely all that would exist would be just the civilization that which figured out to harness all energy.
we would be all that civilization right now. if we are aware of such a civilization at this juncture to be a possibility, then such civilization cant exist, otherwise we would be them and not even question the existence of such civilization.


understand this...?

I understand what you're trying to get at but you have broken it down into very simplistic terms, I fear too simplistic. First of all, if a class III Civilisation did exist and it was on the other side of the Universe we would never know. After all we don't really know what we're looking for, we are only capable of thinking in human terms when it comes to communications and energy signatures. If we were to discover something it would be using like Keppler, after all they think they may be into something already...

originally posted by: CoBaZ

Makes me worry, what if we are the most advanced on this scale in the universe as of right now?

Might even be worse than that...we could be the only life in the galaxy. When you look up at the stars, it might represent 360 degrees of profound emptiness with nobody else looking back.

originally posted by: odzeandennz
no scientist today would agree with this non sense.

imagine how improbable this hypothesis. its not even plausible.

What hypothesis is being made?

No one is suggesting these civilizations currently exist, the scale is simply meant to categorize a specific state of technological advancement, and spread of population.

a reply to: odzeandennz

no scientist today would agree with this non sense.

Kardeshev was a scientist. Michio Kaku is a scientist too and he's spent hours speaking about potential intelligences riffing on a version of the Kardeshev Scale.



So, yeah, scientists who speculate about civilisations from elsewhere use these terms to express their ideas.

a reply to: OrionHunterX

I think nano-technology is a huge step toward a more advanced civi, as well as harnessing implosive energy that does not destroy or destruct on impact. Harnessing clean energies, like kinetic energies might be the start of learning new characteristics or behaviors of energy. For example: If we start to utilize these clean or kinetic energies in smaller ways here on Earth, we may learn things we had not thought about before that could point us in a direction of finding answers to harnessing much larger energies. Baby Steps...

a reply to: TrueBrit

For example, it is probable that our species will become multi planetary, even escape our solar system, WAY before we ever figure out a way to encapsulate and utilise the entire output of our home star. Physics is developing in such a way at the moment, that I am certain that aspects of type one, two and three civilisations could be achieved, without the use of a Dyson sphere at any stage.

I agree with you TrueBrit, the scale probably needs to be re-written to be more in tune with where we are at today. Could we be half a zero now ? LOL



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