Muslims in Sweden Beat gay man to death

I'll see if I can find some execution videos of members of the gay community in the Middle East..

originally posted by: tony9802

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: chuck258

Homophobia and hate is not exclusive to "Muslims"

People, you are just totally slow..most nations in all of Africa see it as a crime to be homosexual.
See link: en.wikipedia.org...

LGBT rights by country or territory (Africa)

And??

Sodomy is still on the state-law books here in the USA...Specifically you can be arrested in any of these states for Homosexual acts..
Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Louisiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Utah.

Are you suggesting that all the residents in those states are Homophobic?

Or that all people living in Muslim dominated countries are homophobic or kill gay people?

Or that Homophobia doesn't exist amongst Christians? Or Atheists? or US Citizens?

I am really curious how you are mapping out your logic here...

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: tony9802

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: chuck258

Homophobia and hate is not exclusive to "Muslims"

People, you are just totally slow..most nations in all of Africa see it as a crime to be homosexual.
See link: en.wikipedia.org...

LGBT rights by country or territory (Africa)

And??

Sodomy is still on the state-law books here in the USA...Specifically you can be arrested in any of these states for Homosexual acts..

Sodomy is not a homosexual act, since heterosexuals engage in sodomy all of the time. Sodomy is anal or oral (xx). So, in those states, the criminals can be either homo or heterosexual.


Each state by the way, has it's own definition of sodomy..


SODOMY
legaldictionary.net...

"In the law, the term sodomy refers to anal or oral sex, whether between a man and woman, two women, or two men, and was historically considered to be a criminal act. As recently as the 1960s, all 50 states had laws that made even consensual sodomy illegal, viewing such acts as “crimes against nature,” or deviant sexual acts. By the end of the 20th century, 36 states had done away with their sodomy laws, and another 10 states had repealed laws considered to be “anti-homosexual” in nature. The specific laws concerning sodomy vary greatly by jurisdiction. To explore this concept, consider the following sodomy definition."

Definition of Sodomy
Noun

"Sexual activity that involves oral or anal copulation, whether with the same or opposite sex. Copulation with an animal: bestiality."

What is Sodomy

"Historically, laws of the individual states within the United States defined sodomy as anal sex, oral sex, or, in some cases, any non-procreative sexual activity, whether between two people, or between a person and an animal. While these laws applied to sexual participants, even in their own homes, prosecution for sodomy in such a private setting was rare. Although sodomy laws applied to both hetero- and homosexual activities, enforcement was often specifically targeted toward homosexuals."

a reply to: tony9802

Thanks Tony...Now could you perhaps answer my question?

Are you suggesting that all the residents in those states are Homophobic?

Or that all people living in Muslim dominated countries are homophobic or kill gay people?

Or that Homophobia doesn't exist amongst Christians? Or Atheists? or US Citizens?

I am really curious how you are mapping out your logic here...

originally posted by: Indigo5
a reply to: tony9802

Thanks Tony...Now could you perhaps answer my question?

Are you suggesting that all the residents in those states are Homophobic?

Or that all people living in Muslim dominated countries are homophobic or kill gay people?

Or that Homophobia doesn't exist amongst Christians? Or Atheists? or US Citizens?

I am really curious how you are mapping out your logic here...

All the residents of those American states, are not necessarily homophobic. But there is institutionalized homophobia through law enforcement against homosexuals, while the law enforcement should likewise criminalize heterosexuals.

All people living in predominately muslim nations are not necessarily homophobic either-- but in those nations they will probably state that "homosexuality does not exist." Homophobia is legally institutionalized: in those nations they choose to correct the problem with death, imprisonment, torture or all of those punitive consequences combined; that's why they enjoy stating "homosexuality does not exist".


Homophobia does exist among Xtians, atheists, agnostics, Us citizens, etc. Certainly.


Across the board, in numerous nations around the world people are homophobic, not just residents of the ME or N.Africa.

Why are you calling them Muslims?

Aren't they radicals?

originally posted by: tony9802
originally posted by: Indigo5
a reply to: tony9802

Homophobia does exist among Xtians, atheists, agnostics, Us citizens, etc. Certainly.


Across the board, in numerous nations around the world people are homophobic, not just residents of the ME or N.Africa.

So we could easily insert "American" "Christian" "Athiest" "Agnostic" ...(x)...

..in Place of "Muslims" beat gay man to death?

A quick search of the years news in the USA shows a dynamic range of Perpetrators attacking gay people

As for this particular headline...there is actually no evidence that these two follow the Islamic Faith...let alone are "Radical followers"...they are simply homeless teenagers from Morocco..And apparently violent and homophobic homeless teenagers...but no religious motivation has been revealed here...KInd of just the opposite as it looks like a cross dresser picked up a homeless teen age boy and brought him back to the apartment and things turned bad.

The "Muslim" bit in the headline falls under less-than-honest fear mongering at best.

originally posted by: onequestion
Why are you calling them Muslims?

Aren't they radicals?

Niether...Homeless Moroccan 16 year old teen age boy goes back to an apartment with a gay man dressed as a woman and kills and robs him.

Alex Jones tried to make the link pointing out that Morocco is an Islamic Theocratic State...thus this teenager...who fled Morocco to go to Sweden...must be an Islamic Extremist...but no evidence religion had anything to do with it.

After reading the whole thread it is obvious Christians will do anything to paint another religion bad.
My club is better than your club...childish school yard BS.
Then you have the others loving the fear they are helping spread (neo as usual) and the weak willed and ignorant falling for it.
Blooming religion...
Sad.
Just buy more guns eh? maybe you will be all less afraid.

And to think people said muslims would never assimilate in Sweden. Muslim men beat a gay man to death. In Muslim countries they throw them off roof tops. They beat this man to death. That is a western thing. Assimilation complete.

a reply to: boymonkey74

After reading the whole thread it is obvious Christians will do anything to paint another religion bad.

Sigh. Who's painting who ?

originally posted by: onequestion
Why are you calling them Muslims?

Aren't they radicals?

It's Conservatively Incorrect to call them "radicals". That doesn't link them to the religion of Islam. After all, the purpose of this thread and every one like it, is just to say, "Muslims are BAD, mm-kay"?

a reply to: angeldoll

Across the whole of ATS well known outspoken Christians are doing anything to paint Muslims as bad.
Heck we lived with terrorists for years here in the UK with the IRA did it make us afraid of every ginger person with an Irish accent? did we live in fear of them? NO! same with the millions of muslims who just want the same as you and I a peaceful life.
Half the problem is the dumb ass religious are always fighting over who has the best god...it's BS and TBH they should all grow up and that includes the fear spreading idiots on ATS.

originally posted by: reldra
a reply to: chuck258

And there are NO white Aryan Nation types in Europe doing similar things?

Yes there probably are BUT the frequency of the Radicals threatening and eventually dealing out violence defeats your argument. Radical Islam simply believes it has the right to override other countries rules...

Its a simple fact and a very painful one to the people who experience it..And please NOTE I said Radicals...

Radical Islam is dangerous to everyone, even other Muslims, until people start accepting that there will be more and more examples like this. This is an undeniable fact, choosing not to accept what I said only proves that Radical Islam has your number.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: angeldoll

Across the whole of ATS well known outspoken Christians are doing anything to paint Muslims as bad.
Heck we lived with terrorists for years here in the UK with the IRA did it make us afraid of every ginger person with an Irish accent? did we live in fear of them? NO! same with the millions of muslims who just want the same as you and I a peaceful life.
Half the problem is the dumb ass religious are always fighting over who has the best god...it's BS and TBH they should all grow up and that includes the fear spreading idiots on ATS.

None of anything you said addresses the fact that people on ATS and yes, you are just as bad in seizing every opportunity you have to do the same thing to Christians, like in the statement above I quoted. "Painting everyone with a broad brush" (I'll be so glad when that phrase goes off trend). I guess you've have done it for so long you fail to see the hypocrisy.

a reply to: ~Lucidity

The acts that are being perpetrated must never be trivialised by any one, as you say, just dropping it into a conversation simply tries to make it seem less damaging than it is. Feelings about Homosexuality should be private if they are critical, people have no right to judge a person on their sexual choice let alone cause them harm, I'm happily married for 34yrs to my wife but if a man or a woman chooses an alternate sexual lifestyle then I say good luck to them, every one is looking for happiness, lets not bicker about how people found it based upon religion which as we have seen often distorts and makes harsh judgements based upon control.

No one has the right to attack or kill based upon the sexuality of a person and what is more bizarre here is that gay porn is one of the most Internet searched items in Radical Muslim countries and usually found to being done by those pushing how 'straight' they are...

a reply to: angeldoll

I fight all religion it is all BS and man made but can't you see some want a holy war and many relish it.
Someone somewhere is really pushing for this and it will drag us all down and people are lapping it up it is like people have moved on from hating one group and jumped on another.

Messed up and they deserve whatever punishment they have coming to them. I don't think muslim kids have the monopoly on doing evil s@!%, these kinds of crimes happen in all countries but they've now become the unwitting poster boys of the anti islam brigade. It's a conversation that's become utterly boring now.

Ats has to do something about this trend.

I have seen many threads lately that are pure propaganda like this one. Few years ago,every thread using sources such as infowars would be max 2 pages long,today such threads receive 30-40 stars.

Is this the path a site that claims to deny ignorance wants to take ?

I miss the Ats that it was a few years ago. No wonder some of the old members i enjoyed to read are long gone.

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: tony9802
originally posted by: Indigo5
a reply to: tony9802

Homophobia does exist among Xtians, atheists, agnostics, Us citizens, etc. Certainly.


Across the board, in numerous nations around the world people are homophobic, not just residents of the ME or N.Africa.

So we could easily insert "American" "Christian" "Athiest" "Agnostic" ...(x)...

..in Place of "Muslims" beat gay man to death?

A quick search of the years news in the USA shows a dynamic range of perpetrators attacking gay people.

Yes absolutely..people from various walks of life attack members of the gay community for sure..


Indeed it needs to be determined if they actually come from muslim confession; in the meantime, we can assume that they are or were probably raised in Arabic language according to Arab cultural norm and tradition.


en.wikipedia.org...
"Lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) persons in Morocco face legal challenges not experienced by non-LGBT residents. Both male and female same-sex sexual activity is illegal in Morocco. Morocco's statute and culture towards LGBT issues stands in stark contrast to that of neighbouring Spain."

How they are enculturated, how they are raised, how their social norms and values are formed, all of these things ultimately determine their conduct.. Since Morocco seems to be strict about outlawing and banning homosexuality, then little would their confession matter. They may have never gone to a mosque in their entire lives, but if they were raised in an environment where divergent sexual identity and "alternative" sexual orientation is strictly culturally and legally forbidden, chances are their opinion about and attitude towards homosexuals would be derogatory to say the least.

If they murdered a homosexual or a transvestite, I might surmise that their background, the nature of an intolerant culture, might have something to do with it all..just a wild guess though!


Just recently, (Nov 9, 2015) there was Moroccan actress, by the name of Loubna Abidar, who had to flee Morocco, because she had starred in a movie concerning the very serious and touchy subject of prostitution in that country.www.dailymail.co.uk... nce-attacked.html The name of the movie is: "Much Loved." I personally have not seen this film, but it seems to concern wealthy Saudis and their relationship with Moroccan sex workers. This is written in the article:

-"The film, which was praised at the Cannes Film Festival earlier this year, was banned by authorities in Morocco who described it as a 'grave outrage against moral values and Moroccan womanhood'." www.dailymail.co.uk... cked.html

-"Abidar left the country amid a storm of controversy but was later said to be living 'hidden and veiled' in Casablanca.

-But she has since released a video, which shows her bruised face, describing how police and medics refused to help after she claimed she had been attacked.

-The actress has now left Morocco to seek 'refuge' in France for 'security reasons', according to Le Figaro.




Apparently it was a gang of fellows, who picked her up in a car, took her for a drive, to verbally assault and verballly humiliate her, and then had knived areas of her brow..thankfully she is alright.

See the link and video if you are interested.www.dailymail.co.uk... France-attacked.html