Do Muslims and Christians worship the same God?

a reply to: mamabeth

That is why you have a very limited and ilinformed view of Islam. Before I ever noticed there were parts of Christianity I strongly felt repelled by, or the parts of Islam that repulse me to the core, I read it, in parts and as a whole at least 3 times. I read it and the Quran every few years still. I find them Beautiful as a whole, with unsavoury parts. Regardless of them being mandatory texts, I took it upon myself years before I had any need to, to fully understand.

a reply to: Learningman

What makes them mandatory ? First you say Quran is garbage and now you say its beautiful ? Did i miss something ?

originally posted by: Learningman
a reply to: infolurker

I watched and disputed it in one sentance by pointing out the spurious links, Baal is just one of the old world gods the tribes of the ME worshipped, before Isam and the usage of the term Allah, taken from the Chrisian tribe as the word for 'The one God' worshipped by both Jewry and Christendom at the time. I'm watching the second one now, apologies I only just saw it now.


Before i go on though, are you seriosuly disputing the known and accepted consensus by Rabbis, Priests, Imams and also the none-religious students of the subject, with YouTube videos?

What known accepted consensus. There is not an accepted consensus.

There is a cult "Chrislam" movement going on with Rick Warren and friends and anyone worth their salt has called him and his followers out on that. Same with the Catholic Church.

It is impossible that Elohim is Allah and it is impossible that Yeshua Hamashiach is the murderer known as Isa. Anyone with a 6th grade reading level can comprehend that.

Here is one of many:

a reply to: dollukka

I find Christianity and Judaism and Islam and any other religions to be trash, all of them in fact, but I find beauty in the Bible, The quran, in the Norse sagas. I don't feel it is hypocritical myself. Maybe I worded it wrong, but I find the religions disturbing, but I see that as fair, people should be allowed their beliefs, me included. My none religiousness disturbs some. Its the way of the world.

What is the saying, First they came for the xxx and i did nt speak because I was not xxx. Im not out to deny anyones religion, but I will state my opinion and fact where applicable.

**sorry, mandatory for a chosen subject at uni. Not mandatory for people as a whole, by any means! haha

a reply to: infolurker

Please cite a peer reviewed article on it otherwise your insistence that Elohim, a name for the God of Abraham, cannot be Allah, another name for the God of Abraham is ridiculous. It IS a well known, much taught fact that the Abrahamic religions, thus called for their reverence for the God of Abraham, share the same Creator Deity.

originally posted by: Learningman
a reply to: infolurker

Please cite a peer reviewed article on it otherwise your insistence that Elohim, a name for the God of Abraham, cannot be Allah, another name for the God of Abraham is ridiculous. It IS a well known, much taught fact that the Abrahamic religions, thus called for their reverence for the God of Abraham, share the same Creator Deity.

No, a new trend over the last decade is trying to push Chrislam as a one world religion but it was practically unheard of previously other than idiots who knew nothing about Christ spouting it off from time to time who, like you, are Scholars as much as they are Christians. (They are not)

Peer reviewed articles are few on religion but here is a few on the differences between Allah and Elohim of the Bible:

www.ijfm.org...

www.ijfm.org...

www.erguncaner.com...

oncedelivered.net...

a reply to: infolurker

Id like to disagree as my studies were over 15 years ago. I don't really know what to say in the face of these statements, I mean, peer reviewed articles are nowhere near thin on religion, I would have been bu44fu(xed if they were when I was younger!

Also the claim you make about people who aren't Christian being 'idiots' on the subject is false, do you honestly hand on heart assume the Muslims view on Islam is the be all and end all on the religion?

Also one of MANY peer reviewed articles on the subject of religion. There are many that support it but also some that support your claim, but as of yet they are viewed as propaganda by biased writers who favour Christianity, Judaism or Islam, and thusly badly thought of.


books.google.co.uk...=onepage&q=A brahamic%20god&f=false

a reply to: Learningman

Please tell me how I have an ilinformed view of islam? Then,do you really want me
to tell you what I have learned about islam? Do you? I will if you insist but I would
have to post a graphic warning sign first.

originally posted by: mamabeth
a reply to: Learningman

Please tell me how I have an ilinformed view of islam? Then,do you really want me
to tell you what I have learned about islam? Do you? I will if you insist but I would
have to post a graphic warning sign first.

Would this be one of those examples of how a few hundred Muslims speak for millions? I suppose WBC was a fine representation of your beliefs and practices?

a reply to: troyof69

If I remember correctly, Muslims worship the God of Abraham. Christians worship the God or Abraham also. Seems to be the same to me. As far as the trinity, not all Christians believe in it. The same as not all Christians worship Jesus. I cannot remember the scripture right now, but in it, Jesus went into the garden to pray to his father in heaven. If he was God, then he wouldn't have been able to do this.

No they do not worship the same God as Abram worshiped. Abram was born in 1813 BCE while Muhammad was born in 570 CE. Muslims came from Islam and Islam came from Muhammad in about 610 CE. Muhammad's god was not even thought of till he invented his god some 2,000 years after Abram. It has nothing to do with Ishmael or Esau either. Islam's Muslims came from the sword of the butcher Muhammad after his declaration in elevating himself to the last prophet of god.

According to tradition,
As a child, Abram was sent to live with Shem in what is now known to us as Jerusalem. Shem and father Noah had an academy in that area which taught the ordinances of Adam which were given to Adam in the garden. This is what formed the mindset of Abram and taught him to question his father Terah and Nimrod. Terah was viceroy of king Nimrod in a polytheistic culture. Ishmael was raised in the environment of Abram (Monotheistic culture) and not in the environment of Nimrod since Abram had moved to the desert of Paran near Midian. Abram was not under Nimrods reach after moving from Nineveh to the Wilderness of Paran.

So to say that Muslims came from the same God as Ishmael or his father Abram is not even remotely feasible nor even that after over two thousand years their languages could even be the same is another matter. Muslims have an altogether different understanding of the Creator than any other religion and are in fact not even related except through Adam. Muslims and their Allah are totally from Muhammad.

a reply to: TzarChasm

A few hundred? You have got to be joking!

originally posted by: dollukka
a reply to: SuperFrog

As is Quran

Each book represents knowledge of those who wrote it, so both are full of mystical stories, laws and ethics that are outgrown by modern humans. This is what makes both books incompatible with modern life, that is only if you take them literately, like Wahhabi in Islam or young earth creationist.

But to claim that God is not the same one for all 3 Abrahamic religions is something I first time heard recently.

Back on topic, story is getting uglier: www.chicagotribune.com...

a reply to: SuperFrog

You must be young. I never heard of such ludicrous things until maybe the late 90's. Never popular until after 2001 when all these fools wanted to compromise the Christian faith to "get along" with Islam.

originally posted by: infolurker

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: infolurker

I'm really not going to debate the differences between how Jesus is represented between Islam and Christianity, I'm pretty sure it is indisputable that the two religions see him differently.

It is apparent that the Islamic Mahdi and Isa are the biblical Anti-Christ / False Prophet

I don't think you are going to get a debate
Think your comments are conclusive
Very interesting and informative

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: mamabeth
a reply to: Learningman

Please tell me how I have an ilinformed view of islam? Then,do you really want me
to tell you what I have learned about islam? Do you? I will if you insist but I would
have to post a graphic warning sign first.

Would this be one of those examples of how a few hundred Muslims speak for millions? I suppose WBC was a fine representation of your beliefs and practices?

As did Stalin and Mao for atheists, no straw man evident

originally posted by: dollukka
a reply to: John333

By saying that its same as saying Word of God is not divine. This conversation is pointless- Oil and water.

apparently you are not taking the time to process what im saying but assuming u know what im saying. had u done so you would undertand what im saying.

when a muslim asks you if Jesus is God he is asking from the physical perspective. now was the Physical Jesus that walked the Erth God. the answer is NO. and if u insist it is yes then indeed you are a pagan.

God is invisible and has no figure. now if your God was the actual flesh that walked the earth, AND NOT IN THAT FLESH, which is what you are saying. then your God is not only visible, but dead. murdered on the Cross.

a reply to: John333

What is Islamic view of resurrection of Jesus? If earthly Jesus was not a divine in their point of view, is he divine after that? I am tired of gibberish really.. i like straight answers

I like how people are dead set on keepin Christianity and Islam separate because of difference in faith but that hasn't stopped 4,000 different denominations from claiming the same god. The irony tickles me.

originally posted by: TzarChasm
I like how people are dead set on keepin Christianity and Islam separate because of difference in faith but that hasn't stopped 4,000 different denominations from claiming the same god. The irony tickles me.

It is pretty easy.

Jesus Christ, the only begotten son of YHWH, died on the cross for sin and through Jesus Christ you will be saved.

There may be many denominations with some slight variation here and there but if that truth is not supported, then it isn't Christian.

If you have been reading, Islam does not recognize or accept that. Their Isa is pretty much the exact opposite of Jesus Christ.

As another poster mentioned, Oil and Water.

The Oil and Water might be in the same colored container but the contents are radically different. I will drink the water and not the can of oil and be kind enough to let everyone else know the cans contain oil and water.

Don't be fooled into thinking the oil and water are the same or you will go thirsty.

www.erguncaner.com...
oncedelivered.net...

originally posted by: infolurker

originally posted by: TzarChasm
I like how people are dead set on keepin Christianity and Islam separate because of difference in faith but that hasn't stopped 4,000 different denominations from claiming the same god. The irony tickles me.

It is pretty easy.

Jesus Christ, the only begotten son of YHWH, died on the cross for sin and through Jesus Christ you will be saved.

There may be many denominations with some slight variation here and there but if that truth is not supported, then it isn't Christian.

If you have been reading, Islam does not recognize or accept that. Their Isa is pretty much the exact opposite of Jesus Christ.

As another poster mentioned, Oil and Water.

The Oil and Water might be in the same colored container but the contents are radically different. I will drink the water and not the can of oil and be kind enough to let everyone else know the cans contain oil and water.

Don't be fooled into thinking the oil and water are the same or you will go thirsty.

You don't see it and I can't make you. But in Muslims and Christians have been fighting over the same imaginary friend for centuries. At the heart of the matter, your motivations are identical. Right down to the pride that insists you are better than them even as they say that same thing for the same reason.