All this anti Muslim propaganda is having an effect...

originally posted by: Eilasvaleleyn
a reply to: LSU0408

No, I wouldn't say you hate gays, but unless you support an equivalent civil union or some other such thing that's basically marriage without the religious connotation, I'd definitely say you don't support the constitution.

Honestly, I think marriage should have never been associated with taxes or government to begin with. "Separation of church and state", after all. Marriage should have been something that people could choose to do or not do, like a birthday party. Instead of what we have now as "marriage", something quick, clean and efficient. Say, "registered partner."

I've never been against civil unions. I don't discriminate, I just don't favor redefining terms. What is marriage anymore anyways these days?

i fear we are at a tipping point now. The seeds have been sown and the hatred and fear has been widespread world wide, ISIS have done a very clever tactic that is working. For what people are calling a small bunch of people or group, they sure have changed the minds and hearts of many. Wont be long before another religious war kicks off, and the world turned to chaos again!

originally posted by: sosobad

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: sosobad

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: sosobad

originally posted by: stuthealien
a reply to: and14263

this is not actually entirely true some percentage of muslim parents bring their children up to hate the west,telling them how great the mother land is and how we the west have destroyed it ,and totally ignore the fact they have been fighting amoung themselves

And some percentage of Christians bring their children up to hate other races aka white supremacists. As long as the human race continues to see each other as different rather than as the same species there will always be hate and division on both sides. The stupid thing is we are all stuck on the same rock floating through the vastness of the universe and we can't get over "who's version of the bearded man in the sky is better" or "if there is even a bearded man in the sky" or "this imaginary line is my country stay out" or "you are a different colour to me therefore I hate you". We are doomed to fail as a species unless as a whole we get over the smallminded petty # that is going on.

No different than the animal instincts in the wild. They have their boundaries and other animals know not to cross that boundary. And they'll kill to make their point.

I think we are a bit more evolved than animals.... Well some of us anyway.

You'd think. We all have the same instincts though. If someone comes into your yard posing a threat, do you greet him with a smile or take caution?

And all Muslims wordwide are a threat? That's the issue here, do you view every Muslim as someone who is going to kill you?

No. No more than 500 people, I'd be willing to bet, feel that way. My problem is that we've already been warned that soldiers for ISIS are sneaking over, or attempting to sneak over, with the Syrian refugees. If someone comes on your yard/territory posing a threat, how do you react?

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: Asktheanimals

Right but they still weren't put through the vetting process we are talking about now with Syrian Refugees.

No I don't usually say the government is good at much other than war and lying. But the fact remains that the vetting system for Syrian Refugees is pretty involved.

Documentation from foreign countries is often missing or forged easily.

Okay but is that good enough reason to halt ALL immigration from certain groups of people? Besides ISIS would have an easier time it seems, to me at least, to radicalize some American youth already disenfranchised with the system to carry out acts of terror on American soil.

I wasn't implying it was perfect, I simply refuse to believe it's as poor as the EU's standards right now.

~Tenth

I would think that a terrorist trying to sneak into the US would be pretty foolish to do so under the guise of a Syrian refugee right now.

I would have thought that the US is keeping a pretty keen eye on them right now.

It would make far more sense to enter as a business man or tourist or even sneak over the border but not as a Syrian refugee that would be plain stupidity imo.

Why do you think it'd be stupid to come over with the refugees? These guys are being sent here, they're not going to truthfully answer the questions being asked to them. They're going to act just like a refugee. Come on man.

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: sosobad

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: sosobad

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: sosobad

originally posted by: stuthealien
a reply to: and14263

this is not actually entirely true some percentage of muslim parents bring their children up to hate the west,telling them how great the mother land is and how we the west have destroyed it ,and totally ignore the fact they have been fighting amoung themselves

And some percentage of Christians bring their children up to hate other races aka white supremacists. As long as the human race continues to see each other as different rather than as the same species there will always be hate and division on both sides. The stupid thing is we are all stuck on the same rock floating through the vastness of the universe and we can't get over "who's version of the bearded man in the sky is better" or "if there is even a bearded man in the sky" or "this imaginary line is my country stay out" or "you are a different colour to me therefore I hate you". We are doomed to fail as a species unless as a whole we get over the smallminded petty # that is going on.

No different than the animal instincts in the wild. They have their boundaries and other animals know not to cross that boundary. And they'll kill to make their point.

I think we are a bit more evolved than animals.... Well some of us anyway.

You'd think. We all have the same instincts though. If someone comes into your yard posing a threat, do you greet him with a smile or take caution?

And all Muslims wordwide are a threat? That's the issue here, do you view every Muslim as someone who is going to kill you?

No. No more than 500 people, I'd be willing to bet, feel that way. My problem is that we've already been warned that soldiers for ISIS are sneaking over, or attempting to sneak over, with the Syrian refugees. If someone comes on your yard/territory posing a threat, how do you react?

I think I understand where you are coming from, your scared right now because you have been told that bad people might be coming and you are worried for the saftey of your wife, kids and family and that is only natural.

The thing is that this thread is about propaghanda and you have to ask yourself is your fear rational or are you bieng manipulated by people to create a response?

You say yourself that your government has told you that ISIS are trying to sneak into the US posing as refugees and you believe them, that is your right to belive if you choose to do so.

The question is then given that you and I know that the US government is looking for ISIS terrorists trying to pose as Syrian refugees then ISIS knows it too, as I said earlier in the thread you would have to be a pretty dumb terrorist to try and enter the US in this manner and the US government would have to be pretty dumb to not only let them in but then fail to keep very close tabs on them.

Your fear for safety is justified but I would quiestion your reasoning for it unless you want to be manipulated for other peoples gain.

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: Asktheanimals

Right but they still weren't put through the vetting process we are talking about now with Syrian Refugees.

No I don't usually say the government is good at much other than war and lying. But the fact remains that the vetting system for Syrian Refugees is pretty involved.

Documentation from foreign countries is often missing or forged easily.

Okay but is that good enough reason to halt ALL immigration from certain groups of people? Besides ISIS would have an easier time it seems, to me at least, to radicalize some American youth already disenfranchised with the system to carry out acts of terror on American soil.

I wasn't implying it was perfect, I simply refuse to believe it's as poor as the EU's standards right now.

~Tenth

I would think that a terrorist trying to sneak into the US would be pretty foolish to do so under the guise of a Syrian refugee right now.

I would have thought that the US is keeping a pretty keen eye on them right now.

It would make far more sense to enter as a business man or tourist or even sneak over the border but not as a Syrian refugee that would be plain stupidity imo.

Why do you think it'd be stupid to come over with the refugees? These guys are being sent here, they're not going to truthfully answer the questions being asked to them. They're going to act just like a refugee. Come on man.

How about this....Because regardless of how they answer the questions, it still takes 2 to 3 yrs to get vetted and cleared to enter the U.S., when they could just hire a coyote to bring them across our southern border next week.

Come on man!

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: Asktheanimals

Right but they still weren't put through the vetting process we are talking about now with Syrian Refugees.

No I don't usually say the government is good at much other than war and lying. But the fact remains that the vetting system for Syrian Refugees is pretty involved.

Documentation from foreign countries is often missing or forged easily.

Okay but is that good enough reason to halt ALL immigration from certain groups of people? Besides ISIS would have an easier time it seems, to me at least, to radicalize some American youth already disenfranchised with the system to carry out acts of terror on American soil.

I wasn't implying it was perfect, I simply refuse to believe it's as poor as the EU's standards right now.

~Tenth

I would think that a terrorist trying to sneak into the US would be pretty foolish to do so under the guise of a Syrian refugee right now.

I would have thought that the US is keeping a pretty keen eye on them right now.

It would make far more sense to enter as a business man or tourist or even sneak over the border but not as a Syrian refugee that would be plain stupidity imo.

Why do you think it'd be stupid to come over with the refugees? These guys are being sent here, they're not going to truthfully answer the questions being asked to them. They're going to act just like a refugee. Come on man.

See above.

Failing that then put on a black and white stripey top, put on a black eye mask and grab a bag with "swag" written on it and try walking into a bank.

See how far you get in before they pull the guns out.

It's amazing how much logic goes out the window when people are afraid, it's also interesting to see how the media is subtle in slowly turning the screws on it all while distancing itself from the results.

For the first time in many years, I can see the possibility of the UK falling to fascism. If it does it won't be through invasion it'll be because the idiots that live here begged for it.

originally posted by: THEatsking

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: LSU0408

Nobody brings their kids up to be Christians that hate gays.

Wow. What planet do you live on?

Earth. Are you telling me that since I don't support gay marriage, I hate gays?

I wouldn't imply that, however that is an oppressive view and is a problem. I could somewhat understand if you said something along the lines of 'Churches can choose for or against gay marriage ceremonies'. But being against Gay marriage as a whole is bad.

Religion isn't an excuse to oppress anyone, for any reason.

Sorry you feel that way. Non support for gay marriage doesn't come close to oppressive views. I'd say your intolerance to my view is oppressive. I don't have an issue with people that support gay marriage, why do you have a problem with those who don't? I had no issue with civil unions, but I don't get behind gay marriage.

a reply to: LSU0408

But what's also known to most, is that the government has already warned Americans that ISIS is trying to sneak over here with Syrian refugees.

"The government" also said that right wing gun owners are a threat...
Do you believe that as well?

Let me guess...

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: forkedtongue

They are too blinded by their ideologies.

The irony of this statement...is palpable.

~Tenth

Sounds like a difference of opinions.

There is a difference between a difference of opinions and not realising that your beliefs are misguided and misinformed.

Same could be said about your beliefs. See my point yet? A difference of opinions.

Well that depends on weather your beliefs are based on fact and rational or fiction and dogma.

It is also dependant of weather you are prepared to change your beliefs if they prove to be incorrect or if you will refuse to alter your opinion even when faced with irrefutable evidence to suggest they are incorrect.

The fact is that the US Government agencies have stated that ISIS soldiers are indeed trying to sneak into America with the Syrian refugees, and it's been proven that there are already muslims (some recently converted) here willing to kill and fight for ISIS. So where do you separate fact and rationale from fiction and dogma?

originally posted by: neo96
It warms my heart to see Islam being defended with such fervor.

A religion that has a WORSE track record on women, and gay rights than that other most villainous one that starts with a C.

They'll destroy this country to win an election and make the right look hateful.

originally posted by: sosobad

originally posted by: stuthealien
a reply to: and14263

this is not actually entirely true some percentage of muslim parents bring their children up to hate the west,telling them how great the mother land is and how we the west have destroyed it ,and totally ignore the fact they have been fighting amoung themselves

And some percentage of Christians bring their children up to hate other races aka white supremacists. As long as the human race continues to see each other as different rather than as the same species there will always be hate and division on both sides. The stupid thing is we are all stuck on the same rock floating through the vastness of the universe and we can't get over "who's version of the bearded man in the sky is better" or "if there is even a bearded man in the sky" or "this imaginary line is my country stay out" or "you are a different colour to me therefore I hate you". We are doomed to fail as a species unless as a whole we get over the smallminded petty # that is going on.

I agree. We need nothing less than a shock to the system, consciousness. Hopefully it will be a peaceful one..

There is a lot of unconscious projection going on, and other people (usually the vulnerable) are the best targets and bring the most relief to the anger built up inside caused by another projecting person in the past. These nuts acting out against innocent muslims are a prime example of actors in this cycle.

soulwaxer

originally posted by: sosobad

originally posted by: neo96
It warms my heart to see Islam being defended with such fervor.

A religion that has a WORSE track record on women, and gay rights than that other most villainous one that starts with a C.

Says the person who defended the kkk on another thread. So every Muslim person is a bad person? I'll have to tell that to my brother in law who came over here to seek refuge from Iraq after the U.S. went in and destroyed the place. The very same man worked from day one to assimilate into the country never got a hand out and worked to get his own business. My sister his wife doesn't dress up in a burqa or doesn't have her freedom taken by him. What about my 2 year old nephew? Is he also a bad person just because he is Muslim?

What is the deal with you people and your comprehension skills? Is this another one of those "If I say it enough, it'll be true" kind of things? Not one damn person has stated that all muslims are evil, and yet again, here you are trying to sarcastically ask about your nephew toddler. Cut the stupid childish # out.

a reply to: woodwardjnr

I assume this is what will be screamed from the mountaintops now, every time a terrorist attacks Americans. Another "it's the Republicans' fault!!!" pre-planned blame game layout.

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: sosobad

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: sosobad

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: sosobad

originally posted by: stuthealien
a reply to: and14263

this is not actually entirely true some percentage of muslim parents bring their children up to hate the west,telling them how great the mother land is and how we the west have destroyed it ,and totally ignore the fact they have been fighting amoung themselves

And some percentage of Christians bring their children up to hate other races aka white supremacists. As long as the human race continues to see each other as different rather than as the same species there will always be hate and division on both sides. The stupid thing is we are all stuck on the same rock floating through the vastness of the universe and we can't get over "who's version of the bearded man in the sky is better" or "if there is even a bearded man in the sky" or "this imaginary line is my country stay out" or "you are a different colour to me therefore I hate you". We are doomed to fail as a species unless as a whole we get over the smallminded petty # that is going on.

No different than the animal instincts in the wild. They have their boundaries and other animals know not to cross that boundary. And they'll kill to make their point.

I think we are a bit more evolved than animals.... Well some of us anyway.

You'd think. We all have the same instincts though. If someone comes into your yard posing a threat, do you greet him with a smile or take caution?

And all Muslims wordwide are a threat? That's the issue here, do you view every Muslim as someone who is going to kill you?

No. No more than 500 people, I'd be willing to bet, feel that way. My problem is that we've already been warned that soldiers for ISIS are sneaking over, or attempting to sneak over, with the Syrian refugees. If someone comes on your yard/territory posing a threat, how do you react?

That's the point people are being corralled into think that everyone (all muslims) that enter their yard is a threat. By that logic you shoot everyone that enters because you seem them a threat. Not every Muslim entering the country is a threat, they are good people that are trying to escape the horrors of a war for their children's sake or they are exchange students that want to enter a country were they can get a good education or hardworking people that want to get opportunities that they can't get from their own land. To deny them any of that based on their religion is ludacris when the U.S. was founded by people that fled Europe for religious freedom.

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: neo96
It warms my heart to see Islam being defended with such fervor.

Islam is a religion. Muslims are PEOPLE... Learn the difference. I don't defend ANY religion.

You defend islam, lol. Do you know what a muslim is?

muslim: a follower of the religion of Islam.

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: sosobad

originally posted by: neo96
It warms my heart to see Islam being defended with such fervor.

A religion that has a WORSE track record on women, and gay rights than that other most villainous one that starts with a C.

Says the person who defended the kkk on another thread. So every Muslim person is a bad person? I'll have to tell that to my brother in law who came over here to seek refuge from Iraq after the U.S. went in and destroyed the place. The very same man worked from day one to assimilate into the country never got a hand out and worked to get his own business. My sister his wife doesn't dress up in a burqa or doesn't have her freedom taken by him. What about my 2 year old nephew? Is he also a bad person just because he is Muslim?

What is the deal with you people and your comprehension skills? Is this another one of those "If I say it enough, it'll be true" kind of things? Not one damn person has stated that all muslims are evil, and yet again, here you are trying to sarcastically ask about your nephew toddler. Cut the stupid childish # out.

Did you even read neos post, this thread is about Muslims And the propaganda against them and he (wrongly might I add) brought Islam into this stating "its track record". Cut the stupid # out? Get a clue about the subject being talked about. This comment alone shows how much you actually know about the subject.

originally posted by: LSU0408
a reply to: woodwardjnr

I assume this is what will be screamed from the mountaintops now, every time a terrorist attacks Americans. Another "it's the Republicans' fault!!!" pre-planned blame game layout.

I don't understand your response in regard to my post? I'm assuming you were replying to my post about the French journalist?

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: neo96
It warms my heart to see Islam being defended with such fervor.

Islam is a religion. Muslims are PEOPLE... Learn the difference. I don't defend ANY religion.

You defend islam, lol. Do you know what a muslim is?

muslim: a follower of the religion of Islam.

That's not quite right. That is the classical definition yes, but today it's used to describe anybody of Middle Eastern Decent in most cases.

Following that logic above, we would condemn ALL Christians for the acts of the KKK right? Anybody defending any Christian type criminal or terrorist, would be then defending ALL of Christianity, as opposed to just the twisted, archaic view held by the individual, or that individual sect.

~Tenth