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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk
I don't recall being on trial here. If you really want to know this, move it to U2U. MAYBE I'll respond.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk
So being critical of a place that you love but find faults with is somehow hating it in your world? So apparently when someone points out constructive criticism about you, they secretly hate you. Nice to know you are so black and white with things.
originally posted by: forkedtongue
originally posted by: uncommitted
originally posted by: forkedtongue
originally posted by: SuperFrog
Hate speech, or any racial speech should be banned in any country, not just UK.
Everyone was wondering why Germans did not do something to prevent Hitler's rise to power, that was helped with hate and racial speeches, yet we living recreation of the same politics and views... and some are applauding?!
There is a fine line between freedom to speak and hate speech, but it might be beyond mental capabilities for some to comprehend.
Hate speech is a BS made up PC term, used to demonize those that dont agree with you.
All speech should be free, with only a couple minor exceptions "FIRE!!!" in a crouded theatre....not protected "I HAVE A BOMB!!!!" on a plane not protected.
"I HATE MUSLIMS!!!" absolutely protected
"ALLAH COMMANDS WE KILL ALL INFIDELS!!" absolutely protected
"WHITE CRACKERS NEED TO DIE!!" protected
"BLACKS ARE LESS THAN HUMAN" protected
the only limits on free speech are limited to words that are intended to cause severe physical harm on people.
Emotional harm/ hurt feelings are not reason enough to limit free speech period!
You miss the important one - "As president of America I will discriminate openly against people of a particular faith". Is it protected? Don't know, I'm not American. Will it get you a welcome into countries which finds such a view repugnant? Probably not. Don't you see the difference?
There is no difference.
Fararkan, is one of the biggest pieces of crap I have ever seen or heard of, but if he ran for president, he still has the same rights as before, he can still express himself freely.
Why do you keep insisting this need to stifle free expression?
There is no need.
So what if he became president and I didnt like him or agree with him on basically anything( OBAMA) he still has the same right to say his hateful BS as anyone else.
You are turning somthing very simple into somthing very complex so you can try to twist it into what you want.
When it is in fact quite sublime in its original form, I dont like it you dont like it he doesnt like it she doesnt like it, but we all get to say what we think.
We all win and we all lose at the same time in the same measure.
It is the essence of compromise.
originally posted by: uncommitted
originally posted by: forkedtongue
originally posted by: uncommitted
originally posted by: forkedtongue
originally posted by: SuperFrog
Hate speech, or any racial speech should be banned in any country, not just UK.
Everyone was wondering why Germans did not do something to prevent Hitler's rise to power, that was helped with hate and racial speeches, yet we living recreation of the same politics and views... and some are applauding?!
There is a fine line between freedom to speak and hate speech, but it might be beyond mental capabilities for some to comprehend.
Hate speech is a BS made up PC term, used to demonize those that dont agree with you.
All speech should be free, with only a couple minor exceptions "FIRE!!!" in a crouded theatre....not protected "I HAVE A BOMB!!!!" on a plane not protected.
"I HATE MUSLIMS!!!" absolutely protected
"ALLAH COMMANDS WE KILL ALL INFIDELS!!" absolutely protected
"WHITE CRACKERS NEED TO DIE!!" protected
"BLACKS ARE LESS THAN HUMAN" protected
the only limits on free speech are limited to words that are intended to cause severe physical harm on people.
Emotional harm/ hurt feelings are not reason enough to limit free speech period!
You miss the important one - "As president of America I will discriminate openly against people of a particular faith". Is it protected? Don't know, I'm not American. Will it get you a welcome into countries which finds such a view repugnant? Probably not. Don't you see the difference?
There is no difference.
Fararkan, is one of the biggest pieces of crap I have ever seen or heard of, but if he ran for president, he still has the same rights as before, he can still express himself freely.
Why do you keep insisting this need to stifle free expression?
There is no need.
So what if he became president and I didnt like him or agree with him on basically anything( OBAMA) he still has the same right to say his hateful BS as anyone else.
You are turning somthing very simple into somthing very complex so you can try to twist it into what you want.
When it is in fact quite sublime in its original form, I dont like it you dont like it he doesnt like it she doesnt like it, but we all get to say what we think.
We all win and we all lose at the same time in the same measure.
It is the essence of compromise.
No, you are just being stupid (I'm allowed to say that, free speech and all). For a country to close its borders to people of a particular faith is something that a lot of people would object to. Trump was proposing it - people are opposing it. If people either in or outside America use their voice to show opposition to his proposal then that is the essence of free speech - why are you being so childish in not accepting that?
originally posted by: forkedtongue
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk
So being critical of a place that you love but find faults with is somehow hating it in your world? So apparently when someone points out constructive criticism about you, they secretly hate you. Nice to know you are so black and white with things.
I am new but I have yet to see any thing "constructive" about your criticism.
originally posted by: forkedtongue
originally posted by: uncommitted
originally posted by: forkedtongue
originally posted by: uncommitted
originally posted by: forkedtongue
originally posted by: SuperFrog
Hate speech, or any racial speech should be banned in any country, not just UK.
Everyone was wondering why Germans did not do something to prevent Hitler's rise to power, that was helped with hate and racial speeches, yet we living recreation of the same politics and views... and some are applauding?!
There is a fine line between freedom to speak and hate speech, but it might be beyond mental capabilities for some to comprehend.
Hate speech is a BS made up PC term, used to demonize those that dont agree with you.
All speech should be free, with only a couple minor exceptions "FIRE!!!" in a crouded theatre....not protected "I HAVE A BOMB!!!!" on a plane not protected.
"I HATE MUSLIMS!!!" absolutely protected
"ALLAH COMMANDS WE KILL ALL INFIDELS!!" absolutely protected
"WHITE CRACKERS NEED TO DIE!!" protected
"BLACKS ARE LESS THAN HUMAN" protected
the only limits on free speech are limited to words that are intended to cause severe physical harm on people.
Emotional harm/ hurt feelings are not reason enough to limit free speech period!
You miss the important one - "As president of America I will discriminate openly against people of a particular faith". Is it protected? Don't know, I'm not American. Will it get you a welcome into countries which finds such a view repugnant? Probably not. Don't you see the difference?
There is no difference.
Fararkan, is one of the biggest pieces of crap I have ever seen or heard of, but if he ran for president, he still has the same rights as before, he can still express himself freely.
Why do you keep insisting this need to stifle free expression?
There is no need.
So what if he became president and I didnt like him or agree with him on basically anything( OBAMA) he still has the same right to say his hateful BS as anyone else.
You are turning somthing very simple into somthing very complex so you can try to twist it into what you want.
When it is in fact quite sublime in its original form, I dont like it you dont like it he doesnt like it she doesnt like it, but we all get to say what we think.
We all win and we all lose at the same time in the same measure.
It is the essence of compromise.
No, you are just being stupid (I'm allowed to say that, free speech and all). For a country to close its borders to people of a particular faith is something that a lot of people would object to. Trump was proposing it - people are opposing it. If people either in or outside America use their voice to show opposition to his proposal then that is the essence of free speech - why are you being so childish in not accepting that?
Not one person outside America gets to have a say in the matter.
If they are American, then let them be heard, if they be of any other nation.....they can talk, but their words have no meaning or value, thus carry no weight.
Hence Americans not getting to decide what happens in spain or germany or france.
America is not dictated to by anyone that is not an American.
I dont care if I agree with them or not, their words are as useful as used toilet paper.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: forkedtongue
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk
So being critical of a place that you love but find faults with is somehow hating it in your world? So apparently when someone points out constructive criticism about you, they secretly hate you. Nice to know you are so black and white with things.
I am new but I have yet to see any thing "constructive" about your criticism.
And there you go again. The first thing you say to me in another thread is rude and designed to get me on the defensive. This is why I've started ignoring you in that other thread. I guess I should extend that courtesy to this thread as well.
originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk
I don't recall being on trial here. If you really want to know this, move it to U2U. MAYBE I'll respond.
Nah, this is far more entertaining. I have no desire to get into some private discussion.
I'd just like to know; what is the axe you (and woodwardjnr) have to grind with the US? It's like a cozy happy little 'star-fest' with you guys. Any little shred, even the tiniest tidbit, of dirt you can find and you don't hesitate to throw a rock at America. Do you detest America that badly that it just consumes you?
originally posted by: LSU0408
Maybe Trump should start lying and selling his entire presidential run on lies. That seems to be what they like over there on the left.
originally posted by: uncommitted
originally posted by: forkedtongue
originally posted by: uncommitted
originally posted by: forkedtongue
originally posted by: uncommitted
originally posted by: forkedtongue
originally posted by: SuperFrog
Hate speech, or any racial speech should be banned in any country, not just UK.
Everyone was wondering why Germans did not do something to prevent Hitler's rise to power, that was helped with hate and racial speeches, yet we living recreation of the same politics and views... and some are applauding?!
There is a fine line between freedom to speak and hate speech, but it might be beyond mental capabilities for some to comprehend.
Hate speech is a BS made up PC term, used to demonize those that dont agree with you.
All speech should be free, with only a couple minor exceptions "FIRE!!!" in a crouded theatre....not protected "I HAVE A BOMB!!!!" on a plane not protected.
"I HATE MUSLIMS!!!" absolutely protected
"ALLAH COMMANDS WE KILL ALL INFIDELS!!" absolutely protected
"WHITE CRACKERS NEED TO DIE!!" protected
"BLACKS ARE LESS THAN HUMAN" protected
the only limits on free speech are limited to words that are intended to cause severe physical harm on people.
Emotional harm/ hurt feelings are not reason enough to limit free speech period!
You miss the important one - "As president of America I will discriminate openly against people of a particular faith". Is it protected? Don't know, I'm not American. Will it get you a welcome into countries which finds such a view repugnant? Probably not. Don't you see the difference?
There is no difference.
Fararkan, is one of the biggest pieces of crap I have ever seen or heard of, but if he ran for president, he still has the same rights as before, he can still express himself freely.
Why do you keep insisting this need to stifle free expression?
There is no need.
So what if he became president and I didnt like him or agree with him on basically anything( OBAMA) he still has the same right to say his hateful BS as anyone else.
You are turning somthing very simple into somthing very complex so you can try to twist it into what you want.
When it is in fact quite sublime in its original form, I dont like it you dont like it he doesnt like it she doesnt like it, but we all get to say what we think.
We all win and we all lose at the same time in the same measure.
It is the essence of compromise.
No, you are just being stupid (I'm allowed to say that, free speech and all). For a country to close its borders to people of a particular faith is something that a lot of people would object to. Trump was proposing it - people are opposing it. If people either in or outside America use their voice to show opposition to his proposal then that is the essence of free speech - why are you being so childish in not accepting that?
Not one person outside America gets to have a say in the matter.
If they are American, then let them be heard, if they be of any other nation.....they can talk, but their words have no meaning or value, thus carry no weight.
Hence Americans not getting to decide what happens in spain or germany or france.
America is not dictated to by anyone that is not an American.
I dont care if I agree with them or not, their words are as useful as used toilet paper.
I know you are new here, perhaps you would like to check the title of the thread which is about a petition in the UK to ban Trump from visiting the UK. so your comment "Not one person outside America gets to have a say in the matter." is totally incorrect. Actually no one who is inside America would get to have a say in the matter. You'll learn, and this is a global site so be prepared for opinions from anywhere about anything.
As it happens, I'm with Woodwardjnr, let him in, expose him for what he is. He has form over here for being such an idiot in Scotland.
originally posted by: UnBreakable
a reply to: Krazysh0t
I guess I don't see the point. I thought that he was running for POTUS here in the US, and his numbers and popularity matter here. Who cares what UK thinks?