Live Stream of Obamas Announcement

"We need to make it harder for someone to get an assault rifle."

"Freedom is more powerful than fear."

Yeah, he said that.

Deny ignorance.

originally posted by: ladyinwaiting

You guys are getting so carried away over this gun issue you seem to have lost your common sense... and yet you oppose making an effort to keep guns away from suspected terrorists on our own soil.

As others have pointed out numerous times in various threads... 2% of those on the no-fly list are U.S. Citizens.

If you add all of the citizens who are felons on that list to the other 98% who already can't buy guns legally here, who's left for this law to actually affect?

Reading between the lines of Obama speech tells me that Obama has giving the military cart blanch to go to war wherever they please without the approval of Congress.

We all know who created this mess to begin with.

Now the powers that be want to strip the constitutional rights of American citizens on the no fly list, people who are Constitutional, Christians, and the biggest one of all ( Truthers) who expose government Tyranny.

My understanding, there are over a million Americans on the no fly list, thanks to the internet data mining and it's growing fast.

Obama you can try and take our guns all you like, however thanks to the under ground gun Black Markets anyone can get a gun these days.

The more you suppress the right to bear arms, the bigger the Black Markets get.

What I do not see being address here by any politicians is the mental heath issues.

Money needs to be put in the mental health institutions so we can help people with mental illness.

But no Mr President your only concern here is giving unlimited spending to the military so the rich who have stock in the military industries can reap the benefits, and attack our god given freedoms.

Little johnny born a month ago cant go on an airplane because he has the same name as someone else on the no fly list.

Now little Johnny grows up and he cant even buy a gun because of the corrupt bureaucracy with the no fly list.

Thank you Mr President for the change that Americans don't need.

I just read some of the comments below the video in the OP...

That's as far as I could get, many are not even fit to print.

One comment that stood out among the rest said that Obama has lost all credibility with the American people,

I totally agree 1000%.

This one also summed up my feelings:

I gave it a try. I still can't stomach listening to him twist the truth. Thank you RT. I ran the song "Crazy" by Gnarls Barkley behind Mr. Obama's speech and LMAO!

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LOL the most violent man on the planet wants to control gun violence in America while arming terrorists in Syria?

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USA Terrorist state criticizes terrorists. How lunatically sweet.

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So Obama claims there's no evidence that they were part of a broader conspiracy, yet their neighbor was suspicious of the multiple men working in the garage all night...

I honestly wish that gun control would work... but the sad truth is that we are a young and imaginative species who will always find a new way to harm one another.

originally posted by: ladyinwaiting
a reply to: Mandroid7

I don't have to ask myself why. I know why. It's common sense. Yes, they can continue to make their pathetic, cheap grocery store/hardware store bombs, and there is not much we can do about it.

But with this, I guess we'll never know until we try. Look, this is not a slippery slope. This is about one issue.
Terrorists buying guns. That's it. Take off your NRA blinders.

I'm coming late to this discussion so this has probably been suggested in the pages that follow but---here goes anyway:

How about we arrest those suspected terrorists rather than making lists of their names and trading them like baseball cards between the alphabet agencies? Wasn't that what all those tons of laws passed post 9/11 were designed to do? Don't we have specially designed facilities to accommodate them in Gitmo?

originally posted by: ladyinwaiting

originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: ladyinwaiting

originally posted by: butcherguy
Nothing new.
He doesn't reassure me.
Calls for more gun regulation and finishes up saying that freedom is stronger than fear.

What in the name of common sense is wrong with saying suspected terrorists shouldn't be able to buy guns?
I couldn't agree more.

He also said "ISIL doesn't speak for Islam", with which I also agree.

To the first....
What stops him from putting you on the no Fly list?

To the second....
He has said that before.

You guys are getting so carried away over this gun issue you seem to have lost your common sense. Every one of the Republican candidates are screaming to decimate the middle east, especially Trump and Bush, and yet you oppose making an effort to keep guns away from suspected terrorists on our own soil.

I think I might be starting to believe in chemtrails. Something's driving everybody crazy.

My common sense tells me that suspected terrorists shouldn't be roaming our streets freely, let alone being allowed to stroll into a gun shop. They should be in jail awaiting trial.

originally posted by: ~Lucidity

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: ~Lucidity

Digging your heels in and plugging your ears and humming the same old tunes is nothing but, again, childish and useless. 

Or you could look at it as being 110 million armed Americans that are actually listening to what is happening.

That will not change...because there a 110 million armed Americans...and only 800 Americans on the terrorist no-fly list that they are proposing to use.

The K1visa thing in my view is even more critical. They should expand that to include H1Bs too. And for plain old visitors on visas or coming in without...the no-fly list.

As for the argument that if only 800 Americans are on the list then well you have to be an American to buy a gun...ever hear of getting a false ID once your here? Yeah. That doesn't happen.

So you've just crumbled the entire foundation of your argument---if they are suspected terrorists on the no-fly list, they'll just get a new ID with a name that isn't on the no-fly list. So then we'll need yet another law to close that loophole....

FOX just posted an interesting video of an interview with Senator Lindsey Graham about his reaction on tonight's speech...

He said that Obama is misleading the public about the situation in Syria...

...The president is misleading the public about what we have to work with in Syria... there is no plan to destroy ISIL, there's a plan to hand this mess to the next president... The president and his entire administration is misleading you about the nature of the threat and the capability we have against ISIL...

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During the video, she mentions an interview she just did with Mike Huckabee about his reaction to the speech...

I believe it is this one:

originally posted by: MystikMushroom

originally posted by: Mandroid7
a reply to: NewzNose

AWKWARD!

I am reading there are more than 700,000 people and counting on the list.

Jesus

And less than 10,000 of them are US citizens. Far, far fewer are on there by accident. Maybe a thousand or two.

While it’s reasonable to estimate that there are 700,000 people on this list, only a small fraction are American citizens or legal residents. Experts said it’s likely that only about 10,000 are Americans, while the rest are foreigners.

Link

Let's get a little perspective, reason and logic here folks before we all start to freak out.

The "no fly list" by and large is used to keep foreigners who are suspected of having terrorist connections from being able to buy and use airplane tickets.

So before we let our fear overcome us, act and say rash and untrue things -- lets take a look at the actual facts of the matter before we start to collectively loose our minds.

To me even 1 American denied their rights unjustly is way too many.

The words "suspected" "might" "could".....is not a valid reason to strip an American of their rights.

I could or might even suspect you might yell fire in a crowded theatre, should this be just cause to take away your first amendment rights?

The 1st is no more sacred than the second, how is this any different?

The Obama administration is already weilding the gov as a weapon against political opponents.

But yes, let's give them even more power to abuse shall we?

originally posted by: rockintitz
"We need to make it harder for someone to get an assault rifle."

"Freedom is more powerful than fear."

Yeah, he said that.

He's the one sending all the assault weapons and who knows what else to the middle east?
He's the one trying to overthrow a government in a foreign country?
He's the one wanting to create more lists?

Well, why not go all out and create a task force?

originally posted by: diggindirt

originally posted by: rockintitz
"We need to make it harder for someone to get an assault rifle."

"Freedom is more powerful than fear."

Yeah, he said that.

He's the one sending all the assault weapons and who knows what else to the middle east?
He's the one trying to overthrow a government in a foreign country?
He's the one wanting to create more lists?

Well, why not go all out and create a task force?

Plz don't give him ideas, he just might do that....ugh

a reply to: Bone75

Fine I will stop ordering oem car parts and working in the garage at night on my days off so neighbors do not get suspicious and call the FBI on me.

a reply to: Murgatroid

I have no respect for any of the people in those videos. All of them want american troops fighting another ground war in the middle east vs a terrorist group, that sure worked out well for our troops and country for the last 15 years wants a few more of a never ending war. I think they forget that going in like that last time in Iraq and Afghanistan got us here now.

a reply to: Pyle

Fair enough I suppose...

I hope you feel the same way about our fearless 'Caliph'.

As I said above, he has lost all credibility.

BTW, are you by chance a sailor?

I noticed a few posts you wrote where you mentioned a few naval terms.

Reason for asking, I rode a frigate for a couple years back in the 70's, just curious...

a reply to: plaindoughnut

Maaan sit down and stfu. FFS

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
a reply to: intrptr

Oh geebus.

Compromise among non-terrorist Americans, okay? Do you really need things spelled out to you at that level of detail?

They're not talking about disarming. Get a grip.

And you know what? Even if they were, did you read what I wrote above about how compromise could be enacted to prevent that? No. Of course you didn't.

At least some people are trying to start a dialog about real solutions. Clearly there aren't a lot of those here.

I been 'dialogging' with you about it just fine.

Heres some more logs for your fire.

You can't prevent these mass shootings form occurring. You might try but in the end, they all gave warning signs ahead of time which were ignored and figured out some way to aqquire the weapons they rightfully shouldn't have. You want to blame someone for that blame the government, not the people. The government is supposed to protect us, since we can't open carry in CA, who else is?

Expecting the citizenry to give up or compromise something isn't going to protect us anymore than whatever measures they took on 911, in Mumbai, Kenyan Mall, France, etc.

You call it one more compromise, I know what that always means, one more law that only applies to citizens, like I said.

"Oh jeebus and get a grip yourself." If you had been one of those fourteen people dying in the health center, you would welcome anyone pulling out a gun and returning fire. Your last whimpers would be crying for the calvary to ride to the rescue.

They Attacked that place because nobody was there was armed and they knew it.

a reply to: diggindirt

My common sense tells me that suspected terrorists shouldn't be roaming our streets freely, let alone being allowed to stroll into a gun shop. They should be in jail awaiting trial.

Suspects aren't guilty of anything. What you are suggesting is Guantanamo style round ups and detention. With a little Abu Ghraib thrown in?

Zzzzt… who are your accomplices? Zzzt… confess!