Liberty University president urges students to carry guns, ‘end those Muslims’

This is exactly why we have the 2nd... This guy is doing exactly what Obama or the New York times or anyone in a position of influence should be doing.

Telling people to protect themselves.. But instead these absolute jackasses think it means we should get rid of our only defense.

Our forefathers would roll over in their damm graves...

So everyone critical of this; you think cowering and hiding and surrendering is better than fighting back?

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Oh yes, the old "it applied to a specific people at a specific time" context defense. Conveniently tossed aside when cherry-picking reasons to discriminate, though.

You tell me the Koran has verses that say to kill non-believers. I showed you a Christian bible verse saying to kill the entire town if there is an unbeliever there and all I get is "it's not the same".

Yes. Yes it is the same.

I thank your Christian gods frequently that most Christians do not follow the their holy book literally. The only thing making Christianity acceptable in western society is the creative mental gymnastics required to follow it in a way that doesn't kill the rest of us. The difference between extremist Muslims and you is that they take their religion literally. They would be killing the same people if they took your bible literally, as well.

originally posted by: Deny Arrogance
a reply to: Sublimecraft

I would like to see your reliably sourced statistical evidence that supports your claims about white males.

It seems like racist stereotyping and witch hunting to me.

Please do not forget to take your meds..

On topic..... Until the serious and ever increasing mental health issues get addressed having even more of the population armed with guns is ludicrous....

originally posted by: Deny Arrogance
a reply to: SublimecraftHere is a statistical fact for you. White people make up 63% of the population. Muslims (of all races including white males) make up 0.9%.

Muslims are way, way more likely per capita to commit murderous terrorist attacks.

That seems like racist stereotyping and witch hunting to me.

Also, I think I know why you're confused - you are presuming that I'm posting on ATS to convince you of something so let me I be clear - anything I quantify as fact I'll back up with a source at the point I announce such things and if no source is forthcoming then it is my opinion - how you interpret what I wrote is your choice, not mine.

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Meds?

What meds are you referring to?

This wouldn't be an adhominem personal attack, because you lack reason and evidence to debate properly, would it?

I'm pretty sure that personal attacks are against site rules.

a reply to: Sublimecraft

Of course. Facts and evidence have become "hate facts" in 2015 american intellectual dsicourse

Sorry for invading your safe space with microagressions, dude.

Terrorism happens. Be thankful you have a choice in how you handle it.

You can decide to at least try to defend yourself, or you can choose not to. But you should not be critical of people who do choose to defend themselves. One of us might defend you some day. Then again, maybe one of us won't...

I live about 2 miles from Liberty University,
Despite a student population of about 15,000 who live all around us we rarely, if ever hear of trouble from these kids.
Many come because the tuition is so low so it's not all banzai Armageddon Christians.
Over the years the student body has become more secular (shhhhh......it's a secret!)

Our crime rate here is amazingly low.
The 2nd amendment works when in reasonable hands.

a reply to: Deny Arrogance

Life is a lot easier with a healthy sense of humor..... Dude it was a joke.....now go take your meds and relax

Day 1: Officer shoots unarmed man walking away from him. The officer feared for his life.
Day 2: Officer shoots unarmed teenager as he tries to drive away from a apparent crazed lunatic with a gun. The officer feared for his life.
Day 3: Officer shoots pet dog as it wagged it's tail. The officer feared for his life.
Day 4: Officer shoots man wearing ear buds as he walked without noticing him. The officer feared for his life.
Day 5: Muslims attack innocent people.
Day 6: Everyone shoots everyone who looks like a suspect. Everyone feared for their lives.

You can't even trust the people you trust to "serve and protect" you with their guns...

Land of the free, home of the brave? Land of the self imprisoned, very afraid...

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Loving someone doesn't mean allowing them to kill you.

But Jesus loved us so much he allowed us to kill him so he could die for our sins.

Didn't he?

I'm confused.

Not the same thing at all. He died to pay the price for sin. Some scumbag shooting people isn't the same thing.

originally posted by: Abysha
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Oh yes, the old "it applied to a specific people at a specific time" context defense. Conveniently tossed aside when cherry-picking reasons to discriminate, though.

Nope, sorry, but the cherry-picking is from you. Make a pie; you seem to have enough.

originally posted by: Abysha
I thank your Christian gods frequently that most Christians do not follow the their holy book literally. The only thing making Christianity acceptable in western society is the creative mental gymnastics required to follow it in a way that doesn't kill the rest of us. The difference between extremist Muslims and you is that they take their religion literally. They would be killing the same people if they took your bible literally, as well.

You clearly have no understanding of the Bible, and also an obvious phobia about Christians.

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

He died to pay the price for sin

Because he loved us, right?

If that is true, your original assertion is false.

originally posted by: Abysha

For a person to think that Christianity is any less dangerous takes a perspective of the Christian looking out from a democratic nation into a despotic Muslim nation.

I don`t see it as a bad thing, to tell people be prepared for nut jobs that what innocent people dead, from a Christian university.

I do see something wrong in what is also taught to Muslims in one of their universities..

In the future, the Egyptian Islamists will not only be conducting systematic violence, but cannibalism against Christians and moderates.

In a recent video interview, one Egyptian scholar exposed the high school curriculum coming from Al-Azhar university, the most reputable of all Islamic schools, showing that it condoned cannibalizing non-Muslims:

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"We allowed the eating of the flesh of dead humans… under necessary conditions. It [dead human flesh] must not be cooked or grilled to avoid Haram (wrongdoing) …and he can kill a murtadd (apostate) and eat him "

The interviewer commented:

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"The book that is being taught to general high-school students mentions that those who don’t pray can be grilled & then eaten "

Also
Al-Azhar finds their support for cannibalism in Islamic authority. According to Al-Shafie, who is considered to be the founder of Islamic jurisprudence:


"One may eat the flesh of a human body. It is not allowed to kill a Muslim nor a free non-Muslim under Muslim rule (because he is useful for the society), nor a prisoner because he belongs to other Muslims. But you may kill an enemy fighter or an adulterer and eat his body" (716 in volume 1, Al-Kortoby)

shoebat.com...

And there are/were known slaughter houses in Syria that were operating a year or two ago, I forced myself to see if true and watched the videos of one of the slaughter houses the other day. Non-Muslim, apostates, fighting enemies, adulterers etc but bad mojo for eating bacon.

Protecting yourselves is a good thing.

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes

originally posted by: Abysha
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Oh yes, the old "it applied to a specific people at a specific time" context defense. Conveniently tossed aside when cherry-picking reasons to discriminate, though.

Nope, sorry, but the cherry-picking is from you. Make a pie; you seem to have enough.

originally posted by: Abysha
I thank your Christian gods frequently that most Christians do not follow the their holy book literally. The only thing making Christianity acceptable in western society is the creative mental gymnastics required to follow it in a way that doesn't kill the rest of us. The difference between extremist Muslims and you is that they take their religion literally. They would be killing the same people if they took your bible literally, as well.

You clearly have no understanding of the Bible, and also an obvious phobia about Christians.

I have a very good understanding of the bible. I also understand western Christians and I appreciate their ability to water down their own texts and read it in a way they can practice it peacefully (most of them). I don't say that facetiously; I'm totally serious when I say I am thankful for that.

In despotic Christian nations, they do practice it in the same way a "radical" Muslim practices their religion. The Lords Army? The Croatian genocide? The numerous stonings and beheadings in Africa of non-Christians. And even here not so long ago, we had the Klu Klux Klan merrily lynching fellow Americans and hanging them in trees because of some interpretation of the "Mark of Cain" (which is also why the church supported Jim Crow for so long).

So I am not using hyperbole. I think Muslim extremism is incredibly dangerous. But I can't take a Christian seriously when they think they are dangerous because the Koran is more evil than the Christian bible.

Every single damn bit of violence between the Abrahamic faiths is the fault of the Abrahamic faiths. So how do you expect those of us who are unaffiliated to not be angry with all of you for larping some holy war out in the deserts and streets?

a reply to: Deny Arrogance

The math of mass shootings

124 shooters
All but three of the mass shooters were male, the vast majority were age 20 to 49, and many showed previous signs of mental illness. More than half — 71 of them — died at or near the scene of the shooting, often by killing themselves.

There's some pretty interesting stuff there.

50 years
794 victims
242 guns
124 shooters
41 states and the District

Plus statistics when you hover over the people, guns, places and an explanation of the database discrepancies. Someone spent a lot of time on this.

a reply to: gps777

Oh, I fully agree they are a threat worth protecting ourselves from. I just don't believe arming a student body in a Christian university is going to affect their risk factor of a terrorist attack. That's what professionals are for. This is why many soldiers scoff at the idea, as well.

They know what chaos ensues when you have a religious flock of untrained kids running around with firearms.

It's all bravado. Rock, flag, eagle. Freedom fries. It makes them feel like they are doing something while giving a proverbial middle finger to liberals. It has no real value.

Do you think I would be saying any of this if he said "Let's protect our school by hiring security and conducting training courses to the students"?

originally posted by: Abysha

Do you think I would be saying any of this if he said "Let's protect our school by hiring security and conducting training courses to the students"?

Here`s hoping that is also happening.

I also agree that it won`t stop all known forms of attacks, it would reduce the potential number of firearm related deaths waiting for the professionals to arrive at soft targets.

Bombings not so much.

a reply to: Abysha
Hey, saves them from investing in metal detectors and security. This is probably going to have its share of adverse side effects.

Like the two women...the one who shot at the dude at Home Depot and the other the purse snatcher? Well carrying everywhere if you can legally is being encouraged now by at least two (that I know of) sheriffs and one minister (that I know of). But not everyone who can carry legally is equipped to deal with an active shooter situation...I can only see a lot more accidental shooting of innocents and bystanders coming out of this.

Man, if they think they have paperwork to do now in officer involved shooting, just wait until the citizens get more and more into the act. Could be fun times ahead for all.

Also, given the things happening around the country and the world...when most people see armed people in unexpected places, what would a normal person's first, gut reaction to seeing something like this be?

"Shooter!"

"Gun!"

"Run, hide, fight."

We have drills at work, at schools (even with kids as young as 4-5). That's sad. We are being conditioned.

And so then, psychologically, how do we react to a person dressed this way who may or may not be intending us harm?

The other side of that coin is that we all get used to armored armed guards/police/military with big guns everywhere, which we also decry as another thing we have an issue with...the militarization of the country and that concerns us too.