GOP blocks efforts to deny guns to those on terrorist watch lists

Adam Gadahn in a 2007 video.

In the West, you’ve got a lot at your disposal. Let’s take America for example. America is absolutely awash with easily obtainable firearms. You can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle without a background check and most likely without having to show an identification card. So what are you waiting for?
www.slate.com...

Really?? the vast majority of NRA members is for some type of reform, the NRA leadership and the GOP is kinda on the side of this guy, sorry I misspelled his name earlier.

a reply to: Spider879

You read my mind. I was just going to post about how al Qaeda encourages this.

The Time Al-Qaida Urged Its Followers to Take Advantage of U.S. Gun Laws

ETA: Yeah I still spell it wrong. Whatever.

If we openly accepted their declaration of war on us, the rules could change. We might be able to eradicate these people from within our borders and hopefully off the face of the earth. Official declaration of War may be the answer.

We have never had this conundrum before. When a war is declared by a group of people, not a nation with a physical country, we don't have clear methods to follow to fight them.

These radical Islamic terrorist groups are a network of people all over the world, but mainly concentrated in middle eastern countries and they are connected by a hateful ideology, not land mass.

They ARE sending soldiers into our country and other western countries through refugee programs, visa programs, illegal border crossings, and any other way they can get here.

They have told us over and over that this is war and that they already have sleeper cells, squads if you will right here just waiting. They have recruited and radicalized muslim US citizens, and continue to do this through social media, printed propagandist literature, and some sympathetic mosques.

As it stands now, we wait for them to perpetrate some horrific deed, then we chase them down and kill them...and wait for the next horrific killing.

Meanwhile they are sending them year after year into our country. Some come as children, then get radicalized when the time is right. There is no telling how long these "soldiers" have been pouring into our homeland. Hell, they are probably infiltrating Homeland Security, the TSA, and may even be close to the White House for all we know.

When they have enough "soldiers" and have positioned them where they want them and then awaken all the sleeper cells at once, then what? (Guard your 2A as if it were gold).

adam gadan was full of crap before he became full of worms. i darest ya to go as he said and come away with a fully automatic weapon of any sort. Like everything else he's ever said or thought his entire misbegotten life he is full of nonsense. You cannot get a fully auto weapon without a extensive background check and a FFA stamp. No CL3/FFL dealer would ever risk prison or loss of his license by not following the law to the letter.

a reply to: Spider879

That's a bold statement to claim majority of NRA members is for some type of reform. Gun owners in general are not for more government restrictions or hoops to jump through. The government fails to enforce the current laws on the books. Funny how the government turns a blind eye to illegals in this country, but want to make it harder for law abiding citizens to own or purchase a firearm.

Gun owners are for constitutional carry, being able to carry a firearm without having to pay a privilege fee to do so. They don't want police being able to demand our papers, just because they see a person carrying a firearm lawfully.

originally posted by: Spider879

Adam Gadahn in a 2007 video.

In the West, you’ve got a lot at your disposal. Let’s take America for example. America is absolutely awash with easily obtainable firearms. You can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle without a background check and most likely without having to show an identification card. So what are you waiting for?
www.slate.com...

Really?? the vast majority of NRA members is for some type of reform, the NRA leadership and the GOP is kinda on the side of this guy, sorry I misspelled his name earlier.

Anyone dumb enough to walk into a gun show and try to buy a "fully automatic assault rifle without a back ground check" is playing right into an ATF sting operation.I suggest some of you try to buy one and see what happens!

originally posted by: Echo007
a reply to: Spider879

That's a bold statement to claim majority of NRA members is for some type of reform. Gun owners in general are not for more government restrictions or hoops to jump through. The government fails to enforce the current laws on the books. Funny how the government turns a blind eye to illegals in this country, but want to make it harder for law abiding citizens to own or purchase a firearm.

Gun owners are for constitutional carry, being able to carry a firearm without having to pay a privilege fee to do so. They don't want police being able to demand our papers, just because they see a person carrying a firearm lawfully.

Strong Majority of Americans, NRA Members Back Gun Control
A poll finds both gun owners and non-gun owners support background checks, other measures.

A strong majority of gun owners and non gun owners support stronger restrictions on firearms, according to a national survey conducted by Johns Hopkins University.

[WALSH: Obama Talks Guns, Football Violence]

A sizable 89 percent of all respondents, and 75 percent of those identified as NRA members, support universal background checks for gun sales. Similar surveys by Pew Research Center and Gallup have also found background checks to be by far the most popular gun control proposal in the aftermath the school shooting in Newtown, Connecticut.
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Maybe you know something that I don't, but I have checked multiple sources saying the same thing.

Yeah,I always hear the antis claiming that the NRA is for gun control.Typical tactic.

the way they get this is basically push polling and selective statistics.

something like do you think guns should be kept out of the hands of murderers? do you think there should be away to keep weapons out of the hands of murderers? then take the predictable answers and take a few liberties with those. and presto statistics to back up your new propaganda campaign.

its interesting that the gun ownership vs homicide statistics show an almost inverse relationship. gun ownership is way up and gun crime is actually way down. so more guns is correlated to less crime.

jpfo.org...

The problem when the government started the no fly list was a PC problem as there were for the most part only Muslims on the list.
The government had to start padding the list with non Muslims.
At first they used people like drug smugglers and others that were flying for criminal reasons and fugitives.

As more and more Muslims were added to the list they had to find more non Muslims to put on the list.

Over time more and more names started matching innocent people with no ties to terrorist.

originally posted by: Sunwolf
Yeah,I always hear the antis claiming that the NRA is for gun control.Typical tactic.

I'd really, really like to know how they came up with that number on background checks. Even in Washington state, which is pretty solidly liberal, 'universal background checks' didn't quite crack 60% just last year on election day (Initiative 594). If they're falling 30 points short of the polling data in a state like that, why the heck would I ever believe that they're going to get 89 or even 75% in the much larger number of states that actually value gun rights?

No doubt, they're push polling or using a loaded sample.

originally posted by: Spider879


In the West, you’ve got a lot at your disposal. Let’s take America for example. America is absolutely awash with easily obtainable firearms. You can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle without a background check and most likely without having to show an identification card. So what are you waiting for?

Really??? I want to know where anyone is going to find a dealer legally selling fully automatic assault rifle without a background check. gun show or not

You have to have a federal automatic weapons permit and to get that you HAVE to have a extensive federal background check.
Plus you will need state approval with there extensive background check and this is in the states that allows Machine Guns

Then you have to pay a one time $200 tax stamp (per firearm)
thearmsguide.com...

If you are a nut case or terrorist you are not going to pass these background checks.
There are many people with NO criminal records at all that have not passed.

a reply to: ~Lucidity

I understood...I was taking it further. If there is ANY risk of threat from anyone who wishes to enter the USA, by any means...it is a good time to turn them away. I would impose the following rule. You are not permitted to enter the USA for any reason unless you can convince us that you absolutely have to and even then, YOU must prove you are a law abiding individual with no ties to extremist groups, etc.

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
It didint take long for people coming up with more excuses, here ill answer for you guys, its obamas, the liberals, socialist fault.

It's Obama, the liberals and the socialists fault that the Republicans block efforts to deny guns to terrorists. Good lord man, DENY IGNORANCE

originally posted by: damwel

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
It didint take long for people coming up with more excuses, here ill answer for you guys, its obamas, the liberals, socialist fault.

It's Obama, the liberals and the socialists fault that the Republicans block efforts to deny guns to terrorists. Good lord man, DENY IGNORANCE

Meanwhile, all but one Democrat voted against a competing measure introduced by Republicans last week that would have addressed some of the concerns the GOP has over due process with regards to the whole guns/no-fly list issue. But yeah, its ALL the GOP's fault. The Democrats aren't playing political games here. No sir.

I would also point out that just a couple of years ago, the ACLU challenged the Constitutionality of the no-fly list on essentially the same concerns that the GOP has over this issue, that it potentially violates the due process of American citizens. I would note that they actually won that lawsuit in Federal court, too.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: onthedownlow

These lists dont mean guilt and can be extremely damaging and dangerous to civil liberties... Restrictions without due process is just a evil as terrorism.


Joseph McCarthy anyone?

Not to mention, the no fly list only requires you have a name matching to a name or alias used by a suspected terrorist. I rarely support anything Republicans do because I believe in most cases they're big-government goons, even more beholden to corporations over citizens than Democrats, but I support them on this.

Anyone who doesn't, either doesn't understand the no fly list, or hates the Constitution.

Nevermind. I thought this was only an attempted amendment on the Obamacare repeal bill. Apparently, they tried to tack it onto a number of different bills.