President Trump...You Better Get Ready, It's Happening

originally posted by: DarthFazer
a reply to: whyamIhere


Personally I'd enjoy seeing the Middle East turned in to a glass bowl.


I've been saying it for a while , it's us or them. Sooner or later our hand will be forced. They can not coexist with us. Me being an atheist I'm surely an "infidel" so let's get the ball rolling. I'm willing to handle some fallout to seal the deal.



Trump would push the button I have no doubt


He has my vote

originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Sad isn't it?

All this trumpeters just show how many people in the USA dont know how a constitutional republic works.......
And its a lot, no wonder the US government went off the rails

Whats worse is the amount wanting a dictator....

Plenty of people know how it works, the problem is you have two competing ideals of government in the US. One of our two parties runs on a platform of "government sucks" and then when they get in power do everything they can to make it suck more as some sort of self fulfilling prophecy. I'm not aware of a single government anywhere else in the world where they willingly sabotage themselves rather than try to make things run better and more smoothly.

originally posted by: Eilasvaleleyn
a reply to: Aazadan

Unlike Germany, though... Well, I'm only going to say this once:

If America starts turning into Nazi Germany 2.0 with Herr Trump at the helm, you guys BETTER F***ING PROVE THAT SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHT WAS WORTH IT. ("It" being all the deaths it has indirectly caused.)

The pro 2nd people largely support Trump. It would never happen, they're not willing to stand up now and they won't be willing to stand up then. Besides that they're unable to stand up, the government has drones, missiles, supply lines, cyber weapons, tanks, and other weapons. A few rifles aren't going to do anything.

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Eilasvaleleyn
a reply to: Aazadan

Unlike Germany, though... Well, I'm only going to say this once:

If America starts turning into Nazi Germany 2.0 with Herr Trump at the helm, you guys BETTER F***ING PROVE THAT SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHT WAS WORTH IT. ("It" being all the deaths it has indirectly caused.)

The pro 2nd people largely support Trump. It would never happen, they're not willing to stand up now and they won't be willing to stand up then. Besides that they're unable to stand up, the government has drones, missiles, supply lines, cyber weapons, tanks, and other weapons. A few rifles aren't going to do anything.

You're wrong there

Not a single person I know that's pro 2nd support trump

Because we actually know the constitution and Trumps approach distinctly contradicts those rights

You're making a vague statement about who supports him

Please show the polling numbers that support your claim

I would also like to address your "few rifles" claim

Afghanistan, Iraq and the issue in the ME refutes that claim

I'll also point to a time in history called the American Revolution , where a small country scarcely armed w more than hunting equipment, under equipped militias , and farmers and hunters , took on the most military advanced country in the world at the time
( no offense to my British friends)

People keep parroting that line and it's just not true

Let's not forget if it came to that point where we had to overthrow our own corrupt gov, we wouldn't be going it alone

originally posted by: whyamIhere

originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: whyamIhere

You trumpeters sound more and more like Obama supporters

Man cant beleive your buying this.

I intentionally stay out of British Politics because I know nothing about it.

Is it possible you don't know anything about US politics ?

Cause, you don't get to pick our leader, we do.

Sounds like Trump scares you and the rest of the World...Good, he should.

You know, this would have been an excellent opportunity to prove him wrong. You know, by showing how supporting Trump in '16 isn't the same as supporting Obama in '08, but instead you chose to insult his intelligence because he said something you disagreed with (and likely stung since it was a comparison to Obama). Classy. Oh and way to prove his point that Trump only works with rhetoric.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Yup proves my point.

Empty rhetoric, slogans, deflecting. ........... Out the obama play book with the personal touch of Trump threating.

Wonder if he learned that from the Clintons when freinds with them?

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
You'd enjoy an entire region of the world turned into a nuclear holocaust, with rampant cases of cancer, destruction, death, etc? Have you actually looked at pictures of Nagasaki or Hiroshima after we dropped those bombs on them? And you want to do that to a WHOLE region? Wow... You scare me more than the terrorists do.

What scares me is there's a huge segment of the population that believe this. They want a genocide of all Muslims, and it's not just a small community of conspiracy nuts who believe this. Look at every speech Obama has given on the subject, every single time he has tried to stress that this isn't a war on Islam or Muslims and that the vast majority of them are not bad. No one is listening to that though.

It should be noted that even Bush didn't want to create a war against Islam (despite is poor choice of words calling for a new Crusade and all).

Geo rge W. Bush Needs to Speak to His Party

Six days after the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, then-President George W. Bush gave brief remarks at the Islamic Center of Washington, just a short drive from the White House. “These acts of violence against innocents violate the fundamental tenets of the Islamic faith,” Bush said. “The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam. That’s not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace. These terrorists don’t represent peace. They represent evil and war.”

Bush couldn’t stop or defuse anti-Muslim prejudice. That was impossible, and just a few weeks after he spoke, a 51-year-old Yemeni-American man was shot to death outside of his store, two days after someone left a note—“We’re going to kill all f--king Arabs”—on his car windshield. But what Bush did, successfully, was keep anti-Islam and anti-Muslim rhetoric out of national politics. He made clear that the United States was fighting a war against terrorists—not Muslims—and reminded Americans that “the majority of the victims of the terrorists have been innocent Muslims.”

Times have gotten really weird if we need to rely on Dubya to fix things...

In Germany only 7% of the population were willingly Nazi's. Trumps support is about 30% of the 40% that identify as Republicans. That means 12% of the US supports this rhetoric. We have nearly twice as many people per capita in the US right now who support genocide against an entire religion than Germany had.

Here we have a guy who wants to be a leader spouting the same ideology as Hitler and in some cases the same speeches, and his support base is twice as high. That should scare you.

It does. It REALLY worries me. I'm seriously banking on the recent statistics from the last two Presidential elections that show that a candidate cannot be elected to President banking on the white demographic alone anymore.

a reply to: crazyewok

Seriously, you don't have to be an American to see this guy would be a TERRIBLE President. The signs are everywhere.

originally posted by: whyamIhere

originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: whyamIhere

You trumpeters sound more and more like Obama supporters

Man cant beleive your buying this.

I intentionally stay out of British Politics because I know nothing about it.

Is it possible you don't know anything about US politics ?

Cause, you don't get to pick our leader, we do.

Sounds like Trump scares you and the rest of the World...Good, he should.

Why on Earth would you want a leader that scares the entire world? What good could that possibly accomplish?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
It does. It REALLY worries me. I'm seriously banking on the recent statistics from the last two Presidential elections that show that a candidate cannot be elected to President banking on the white demographic alone anymore.

The conservative white voter turnout in the last 2 elections was poor. One thing Trump has going for him is the fact that he has energized a large segment of voters who simply stayed home in 2008 and stayed home big time in 2012 because they felt McCain and Romney weren't worth the effort of going to the polls. Regardless of who the nominees are, I expect the 2016 election to see a resurgence of voters from all sides.

The most amazing thing about Trump is that over half of his support is coming from women (of multiple races)... explain that one.

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
You're wrong there

Not a single person I know that's pro 2nd support trump

Because we actually know the constitution and Trumps approach distinctly contradicts those rights

You're making a vague statement about who supports him

Please show the polling numbers that support your claim

I would also like to address your "few rifles" claim

Afghanistan, Iraq and the issue in the ME refutes that claim

I'll also point to a time in history called the American Revolution , where a small country scarcely armed w more than hunting equipment, under equipped militias , and farmers and hunters , took on the most military advanced country in the world at the time
( no offense to my British friends)

People keep parroting that line and it's just not true

Let's not forget if it came to that point where we had to overthrow our own corrupt gov, we wouldn't be going it alone

Iraq and Afghanistan weren't fought by the opposition using guns but by roadside bombs disrupting commerce and suicide vests getting close to civilians. The US held a massive battlefield advantage so the solution was to avoid the battlefield. The 2nd does nothing to protect, enable, or stop this method of fighting.

As far as the American Revolution goes, supplies came from Germany, especially guns and ammo and the war itself was won by France with their navy. That's what won the American Revolution, Americans fighting a guerrilla war was nothing more than a nuisance... a nuisance that logistics prevented the British from properly dealing with due to long supply lines and troop transport times. We also would have lost the country soon after in the war of 1812 if not for Napoleon dividing Europes attention.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
It does. It REALLY worries me. I'm seriously banking on the recent statistics from the last two Presidential elections that show that a candidate cannot be elected to President banking on the white demographic alone anymore.

The conservative white voter turnout in the last 2 elections was poor. One thing Trump has going for him is the fact that he has energized a large segment of voters who simply stayed home in 2008 and stayed home big time in 2012 because they felt McCain and Romney weren't worth the effort of going to the polls. Regardless of who the nominees are, I expect the 2016 election to see a resurgence of voters from all sides.

Yea, the numbers disagree with you.
Republicans Can't Win With White Voters Alone

This much is undisputed: In 2012, President Obama lost white voters by a larger margin than any winning presidential candidate in U.S. history. In his reelection, Obama lost ground from 2008 with almost every conceivable segment of the white electorate. With several key groups of whites, he recorded the weakest national performance for any Democratic nominee since the Republican landslides of the 1980s.

In 2012, Obama won a smaller share of white Catholics than any Democrat since Jimmy Carter in 1980; lost groups ranging from white seniors to white women to white married and blue-collar men by the widest margin of any Democrat since Ronald Reagan routed Walter Mondale in 1984; and even lost among Democratic-leaning college-educated women by the widest margin since Michael Dukakis in 1988, according to the latest National Journal analysis of the trends that shape the allegiances of American voters.

The most amazing thing about Trump is that over half of his support is coming from women (of multiple races)... explain that one.

Got a source for this statistic? While I'm not disputing his "over half of his support is coming from women" claim (it's true, but everything I've found points it at only being a slight majority) I definitely question your assertion that they are multiple races.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

www.theamericanmirror.com...

politicsthatwork.com...

I distrust polls in general, so I'm not getting into the statistical side of things here. I will only say that yes, it is possible for someone to win the presidency primarily on the back of the "white vote" assuming a candidate galvanizes the demographic enough leading up to election day. The last graph on the second link, showing that Trump gets most support from very conservative and leans liberal Republican voters, taken alongside the one showing the lower income voters are most enamored with him paints a portrait of a man who could very well win the general election.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
It should be noted that even Bush didn't want to create a war against Islam (despite is poor choice of words calling for a new Crusade and all).

I was going to point that out too, but he did use call it a Crusade and in my opinion he's the one that started all of this whether or not he intended to.

Anyways the hate is real and it's getting worse just look at this thread for the most recent example.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: Aazadan

Iraq and Afghanistan weren't fought by the opposition using guns but by roadside bombs disrupting commerce and suicide vests getting close to civilians.

I served in Iraq and Afghanistan, and you couldnt be further from the mark.

They most certainly do use guns, and many of them very effectively.

As far as the American Revolution goes, supplies came from Germany, especially guns and ammo and the war itself was won by France with their navy. That's what won the American Revolution, Americans fighting a guerrilla war was nothing more than a nuisance...

Tell that to Washington when he crossed the Delaware.....Sounds like you need to brush up on your military history.

a nuisance that logistics prevented the British from properly dealing with due to long supply lines and troop transport times

And guerrilla tactics that cut those supply lines and destroyed depots.....again, History is good to know

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
I served in Iraq and Afghanistan, and you couldnt be further from the mark.

They most certainly do use guns, and many of them very effectively.

en.wikipedia.org...

61,333 bad guys were killed, the US lost 4,425 people. That's a kill ratio of about 14:1. No offense but that's not effectively using guns, if they were effective you wouldn't be here to tell me otherwise.

Tell that to Washington when he crossed the Delaware.....Sounds like you need to brush up on your military history.

Washington never would have been in the position to do that if not for the French and Germans.

And guerrilla tactics that cut those supply lines and destroyed depots.....again, History is good to know

Only because the British couldn't reinforce. To the colonists the entire war consisted of just the battles on our soil but the English were fighting a world war and the colonies were one of the most expendable pieces of territory so they never seriously fought against us.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

But your second source is literally saying the same thing I am. You can't win on white votes alone anymore. I mean, theoretically I guess that he could totally still do that, but I wouldn't bet any money that it will happen. The last two Presidential elections really showed how minority demographics MEAN something now.

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Eilasvaleleyn
a reply to: Aazadan

Unlike Germany, though... Well, I'm only going to say this once:

If America starts turning into Nazi Germany 2.0 with Herr Trump at the helm, you guys BETTER F***ING PROVE THAT SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHT WAS WORTH IT. ("It" being all the deaths it has indirectly caused.)

The pro 2nd people largely support Trump. It would never happen, they're not willing to stand up now and they won't be willing to stand up then. Besides that they're unable to stand up, the government has drones, missiles, supply lines, cyber weapons, tanks, and other weapons. A few rifles aren't going to do anything.

I'm one Pro-2nd-er who doesn't. Yeah, he's saying a lot of things people want to hear........but the man is a buffoon. Credible candidate? I think not...

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
It should be noted that even Bush didn't want to create a war against Islam (despite is poor choice of words calling for a new Crusade and all).

I was going to point that out too, but he did use call it a Crusade and in my opinion he's the one that started all of this whether or not he intended to.

Anyways the hate is real and it's getting worse just look at this thread for the most recent example.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

I know... The stuff that ATS posters get away with saying about Islam and Muslims is just appalling. If they'd say the same thing about black people then they'd be banned in short order. I know there is a fine line between being critical and intolerant, but many on ATS have passed that line a LONG time ago.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I disagree.
www.census.gov...

White voting rates dropped tremendously from of 67.2% in 2004 to 66.1% in 2008 to 64.1% in 2012. Those are percentages within only the white demographic. While the white majority has been decreasing, so has the percentage of white actively voting. You suddenly take 10 million disenfranchised voters and re-energize them to the point that they start voting again and that will swing the pendulum quickly.