the UK has voted in favour of Syrian air strikes.

a reply to: Dwoodward85

So you think that ISIS who are in Syria are willing to agree to that. You really think Syria will just nod along and leave us alone and not bother to attack us? Oh wait it's the typical reaction of sticking your head into the sand and pretending the world is full of fluffy clouds. What a silly child like hope.

The childlike hope is that they will attack us. Syria has never attacked anybody.

But do go paranoid on us.

"I swear to God your Honor, he was going to hit me so I hit him back, first."

a reply to: Dwoodward85

What i think is that Cameron is the real extremist.

They claim that it is to protect every man woman and child in this country from extremists. He is the real culprit and imho what we need, is protection from him.

The war on Iraq did not stop the 7/7 bombings. It did not stop the Glasgow Airport bombings. Why we should somehow surmise that bombing Syria will stop Daesh is beyond me.

Extremists are everywhere, according to our intelligence services, yet we insist on concentrating military action on one country.

a reply to: intrptr

As to the Avatar that's another reason we wish to wage air conflict against these people. And with a price tag of £800,000 a piece you can bet there will be more benefits and national healthcare on the way out just so we can play war from a distance.

If you honestly think that they will not attack us then I'm sorry and with all due respect you're living in a fantasy world. Did France think they were going to get attacked? No. I mean I dont get where that idea that we're immune and wont get attacked has come from we've already been attacked by terrorists multiple times.

I'll ask you this, why are you saying not to do anything, show me how that can make the situation any better. We have to do something, sitting back and doing nothing is the mistake and I'm sorry to say it but we seem to be in a community (HERE) to just pretend that we're untouchable and we wont be attacked. As I said they've already declared war on us it's only a matter of time before we get attacked and to do nothing is a mistake.

Syria is not being bombed, ISIS threats that are based there are being attacked. It seems that it is the fashionable thing to say "Oh think of the poor victims in (insert country) how evil the west is" what about the people who died in France, were they innocent? Oh I'm sure you'll use the Iraq war as the reason and yeah you're right but it is time we go in and stop this it has already been proven that with the US and the UK together we would have ISIS dealt with and it's time we do that.

I only wish people would stop with this crap about needing to stop the attacks on the Middle east when they forget to say the same thing when it comes to the people attacked and killed by terrorists in the west.

a reply to: Dwoodward85

Going to war to prevent war is a logical fallacy, flawed reasoning and to be frank absolute lunacy!

Dropping bombs on children from 34 thousand feet, offers us zero protection.

a reply to: andy06shake

We attack one country (which is incorrect) because Syria has a large number of bases and locations heavy with ISIS it's an accepted fact. I'm sure you'll come out with something about excuses to get oil etc. etc. but you have yet to present an alternative plan to deal with ISIS and please dont give me that rubbish about sitting at home and doing nothing and it'll sort itself out.

Show me how you'd deal...here how about this - You've just been elected Prime Minister, everyone is looking at you to give us a plan of attack. You have people literally waiting on your word so here you go Mister Prime Minister, present your plan on dealing with ISIS.

If you can give me a proper alternative plan that makes sense and can deal with ISIS that doesn't include bombing then I will do one more comment saying I was wrong and you were right and I'll not comment again, but remember it has to be a proper plan that can deal with the threat of ISIS, however if you come back with another ridiculous idea of sitting at home with our fingers in our ears then I'll comment one last time on how stupid and idiotic that is and then I'll walk.

(I dont mean to sound rude, I'm not attempting to troll or whatever the hell it's called now. I'm just tired of people arguing against a plan but having nothing of their own but "stop your plan").

a reply to: Dwoodward85

The solution is self evident, to quote the simple AI in the movie Wargames "The only way to win is simply not to play the game".

That's the truth of the matter.

Tell you this Britain has been on severe risk alert since August. And the only time i have ever been terrified is watching Cameron offer up overtly reactionary extreme solutions to protect us from would be terrorists by way of bombing Syria. I dont know how that works but its a scary prospect!

a reply to: andy06shake

"The children think of the children"

Another problem that ISIS has been doing, do you know they use children as "fences" for a lack of a better word to stop American Soldiers from killing them, did you know there were reports that children and women were being put on rooftops so that Americans and the bombers wouldn't fire? Of course not.

I agree but still you've yet to present how we deal with the threat. I'm seriously asking, I'm not trying to be annoying I just want a proper plan, so far you've said you'd leave them alone so you'd let Russia team up with Asaad (or whatever his name is) kill a ton of his own people, the poor live in horrible states ISIS has grown hugely and you do what? Are you still sitting at home?

It is a pointless debate if you're not willing to put your own plan across instead of just poo pooing everyone elses.

a reply to: andy06shake

Again with this, do you honestly, in fact can you sit there in front of your children and say that staying at home and doing nothing to stop someone from coming into their school and killing them or someone you know and love is the best salution. Just because you can quote something doesn't mean it is right.

It seems you will not budge from your "Stay at home" plan so you seem to not grasp the situation. Well done you've managed to prove a point I've been saying for a long time, people are all about how they perceive the world rather than what the world really is.

Cameron is a fear monger and I dont doubt that as no one should but there are enough people, reports, evidence to show the threat but I'm sure you'll be able to sit down with the families of the french people, the women and children in Syria who've been raped and abused by ISIS thugs are just gonna have to deal with it themselves. Well done you.

a reply to: Cobaltic1978

Your avatar exactly sums up how I feel about hearing this news...

a reply to: Dwoodward85

There is no viable working plan or solutions. Like I said the only way to win is not to play "there" game.

The real threat to our nation is puppets like Cameron leading us down a path we cannot return from.

I am furious at my MP and others for not representing the will of the people.

a reply to: Dwoodward85

But you have to ask yourself, should the need to 'do something' trump the fact that 'doing something' will most likely make matters worse? Just look at the evidence from events gone by, this kind of action creates a breeding ground for extremists and perpetuates this eternal cycle of war and violence.

Let's starve IS of recruits, support and funds (they are raking in $1.5m a day from oil sales), stop supplying arms, without these things they cannot survive. Work on a diplomatic solution to the Syrian civil war, IS will crumble against a untied Syria.

a reply to: andy06shake

So you're sticking with the stay at home play, that's fine and obviously we are allowed to have our own opinions but I will stand by my words, I think staying at home is a mistake. Doing nothing is a mistake and it would be a huge mistake for our nation and I hope that I'm wrong and that you're right and nothing is going to happen but I fear it's more than likely going to happen and doing nothing is wrong.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: sg1642

Doesn't this officially make it world war 3 if 5 nations are attacking another?.
Tbh with you I think we should be bombing these bastards.
I don't agree with war but some times war has to be fought the last just war was against the nazis I think despite ISIS being made by mistake by the west we need to sort out our mess together with the rest of the world.
I would like to see the Saudis doing more though we need this ISIS gone.
But I do say again it was the wests fault most of it our stupid leaders.
It's gone potty all of it but is it all planned? nah we arn't that intelligent and just have the ability to feck everything up.

Obviously Cameron is not in it to sort out ISIS, the piggy lover armed and funded them.
I would not trust this shower of s#it to organize a p!ss up in a brewery.
He has wanted to bomb Syria for 2 years no matter the reasons,first it was Assad and now its ISIS and illegally might i add.
Syria is a sovereign nation and the only foreign nation that should be in its airspace is Russia which was done by invitation.

originally posted by: Dwoodward85
a reply to: Soloprotocol


So I'll end with "Tell me your plan" and dont give me the sanctions crap because Isis is being backed by a number of middle eastern countries.

Here's my plan. Stay the #### out of Assad and middle east business. If you are all for boots on the ground will YOUR boots be.?
I can guess what the answer will be. No Chance.

Watching some of the debate yesterday, it was embarrassing to hear MPs talk about this as "humanitarian intervention". It was embarrassing how these people get themselves into power. The debate was piss poor. The way they talked about the tornados and their brimstone capability to not cause collateral damage like it could could establish enemy from civilian was just pathetic. Cameron sounds like he's not quite sure what the plan is. Support the Assad forces to tackle Isis or use 70,000 "moderates" on the ground. Yeah coz that was a successful tactic from the USA? With the moderates defecting and joining Isis fresh weapons in tact.

A French journalist who was held hostage by Isis for 10 months has spoken out against air strikes in Syria, saying they represent “a trap” for Britain and other members of the international community.

www.independent.co.uk... be-defeated-a6757336.html

a reply to: Britguy

I know mate it's frankly absurd that the media are not asking him where he gets his permission to bomb another country

This is why all our media does as there told when it comes to national interest,they may expose the truth after our hands get bloody but tow the party line before

It's blatantly obvious it's Assad we are after,I'm sure the most powerfull armed forces with the best sophisticated intel gathering Devices ranging from drones to satellites that the USA is could have eliminated Isis or at the very least stopped their vast oil sales

If there was ever any proof that our 'democracy' is just a front to keep us happy whilst the government follow another agenda, this is it. It's like Iraq all over again, many people could see it was wrong and would solve nothing but the government just go ahead anyway. Bombing will result in resentful Syrians that could become extremists, even their children years later, and there will be many more refugees that we will struggle to cope with.

Personally I think the only way to fight this is to tighten things up at home. Of course we are going to be attacked, not supporting war doesn't mean we have to ignore attacks here. Some members of society feel totally disengaged and hopeless and feel some sense of purpose and acceptance with extremism. We need to get rid of religious schools, get rid of religion in any schools, have stricter laws on what is taught in religious places and support young people who want to reject outdated culture. We need to look at why so many young people feel so hopeless and that they have no prospects. ( actually I don't believe the government would ever bother with that one)
that's all long term but now we need to make sure we have more police on the streets and armed police to be able to respond to anything going on. All these bombs and operations could pay for that and you can't crush an ideology with bombs.

originally posted by: sg1642
MP's held a vote tonight and have decided to vote in favour

Well that's the UK now officially involved in Syria too. Just gets better. That's a pretty dense bit of air space just now. Perhaps rather than finding money for bombs our government could find money to help British citizens who are struggling here at home.

The worst of this for you an me is that there is no shortage of money for those struggling at home. This is because there is only a shortage of political will to help those struggling at home. This is what that is the situation.

its becoming increasingly recognised and accepted that banks can create money out of thin air by using an applicants signature to create credit, money out of thin air.

If banks can create money out of thin air so can governments, they can create money out of thin air by doing exactly the same thing as banks do, use a signature (in this case a treasury officials) to create credit which it can monetize and spend into circulation.

You can see from this that if government wanted to, they can create all the money the economy requires on a monthly, quarterly, biannual or annual basis.

if banks did this then the only tax we would is the tax necessary to fund the process of money creation.

We can now understand why Henry Ford once said that if the ordinary man and woman understood how money work there would be riot before dawn.

Now to all those who will jump up and down and scream that govts cannot be trusted to create money if they did we'd have runaway inflation, know this. Out side the US, most governments print the bank notes and coins used in the country. This money accounts in virtually all countries where it occurs, for about 5-10% of all the money in circulation in that country. Banks create the other 90% of the money in circulation in that country.

In no country is there any laws that limit the amount of money in the form of credit banks can create. The banks are totally free to create as much or as how little credit as they wish. (now do you see where inflation comes from)

Tax is called tax so they don't have to use the word interest which governments have to pay the banks when they borrow money off them, and they do borrow money off the banks because they will not create credit for themselves.

So this my friend is the reason why you, me and the rest of us struggle, because yours, mine and the other blokes govt lies to us.

Guys I'm sure I heard on here USA is sending boots on the ground there,some SF to help their so called moderate freedom fighters battle ISIS :-/

Think the media should get its morality back and tell these war mongers that Assad is in power and we have no right to do what we have done

The Syrian national council we the west see as the legitimate government in Syria are nothing but a bunch of crooks and exiles mixing truth and disinformation to get their rewards