Sanders Beats All Top Republican Candidates In Latest Poll

a reply to: Semicollegiate

The logrolling could apply to what we do to our wounded veterans. They go into the military tip top shape, and come out to relying on charity like Wounded Warriors.

Means we can all quit our jobs and let uncle Burny take care of us.


Of course if we are all getting all this free stuff he promises and not working don't know how he is going to pay for it.

But that's the liberal way

$15/hr minimum wage.
Free school for all (By the way is that all the way to a Doctorate, or can I get more then one if I want to stay in school?)
Free health care
Free retirement
Free welfare if I can't work. (Which of course if im in school full time I won't be able too, right?)
Of course this also apply s to anyone that can swim.drive, walk or fly here I would guess.
Of course this will be paid for by all those evil 1% (Before they are broke or move out of the country.)

originally posted by: amicktd

originally posted by: Mikeyy
Yawn.

What exactly does the Burn offer that should make me at all excited about him?

Let me guess, free stuff...

It's not getting free stuff, its called getting what you deserve.

I must have missed that in reading the Constitution.

Where does it say the government owes us all this stuff?

The Constitution says the government is to haddle the defense of the country, provide the framework of the legal system,coin money and manage foreign affairs. All other items belong to the people or the states.

No where does it say:

Retirement/social security
Medical care
School
Welfare
or any of the other ideas most people say they "deserve"

We have been dumb enough over the years to hand most of this over to them without a fight and now we are dealing with it.

If you go lay down at someones feet and say please take care of me, you deserve what every they WANT to give you and no more. You don't like it? Take control of your own life and do what you want.

originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: Metallicus

Promoting the General Welfare is part of the Constitution.

Why must you guys cry 'socialist agenda'?

If you read the WHOLE preamble they are not talking about the people, but the nation as a whole. As in a functional and usable political system. The preamble does not grant or deny any powers or law. It is an opening statement.

It also starts with WE THE PEOPLE which if you follow you line of reasoning would mean we all need to send our extra money in to the government because the welfare of the governmentand the nation is in trouble right now and we should be helping to promote that by giving more and taking less from it.

It funny howthe three word where bigger and the first words written. Maybe they intended for us to take care of ourselves and control our government instead of what is happen now which is the reverse of this?

We may, but have no say in the abortion part of the deal. That is reserved for female input only.

Now if the father had a say in any abortion that would mean something.

But under current laws he is right, we have no say in the issue so it's a mute point.

Now wonder how everyone would react if we DID propose a law that both mother and father had the right to input on this?

Women would scream that it her body and her right, right up until the baby is here then they scream the father owes HER because it's HIS baby.

originally posted by: somnum

originally posted by: Metallicus

originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: Metallicus

Promoting the General Welfare is part of the Constitution.

Why must you guys cry 'socialist agenda'?

Because that clause is open to interpretation and my interpretation doesn't cost you or me money where yours does.

Pre-Obamacare, America had the least efficient medical system in the world. In the world. That means we paid the most. Canada pays significantly less of its GDP to fund its universal healthcare system, and its results are the same, or better compared to the American system.

Keep drinking the kool-aid.

REALLY?

I guess you have not travels much and had to use the medical care in most the world. In most cases it is literally the best money can buy. meaning if you don't have the cash you don't get the care.

Yes they are a few countries with good care, mostly in western Europe and Japan. But most of them don't have the population of one of our big cities, never mind the whole country. And many of them are on the verge of economic collapse due to their medical spending. Sweden has been put forth as a great example, they have started to privatize because of these issue. England as also gone to a split system. Those with money don't use the public system because it is such a mesh.

I do agree the the US system needed some fixing, But the ACA was NOT a good fix. It's worst now then before

originally posted by: somnum

originally posted by: Semicollegiate

originally posted by: somnum

originally posted by: Metallicus

originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: Metallicus

Promoting the General Welfare is part of the Constitution.

Why must you guys cry 'socialist agenda'?

Because that clause is open to interpretation and my interpretation doesn't cost you or me money where yours does.

Pre-Obamacare, America had the least efficient medical system in the world. In the world. That means we paid the most. Canada pays significantly less of its GDP to fund its universal healthcare system, and its results are the same, or better compared to the American system.

Keep drinking the kool-aid.

Pre Obamacare was still post Government intrusion. The Gov inflated the price of medical care and let the illegals soak up all the charity which was budgeted at 25% before the gov "helped".

It's exactly the opposite of that. It's the fact that the government doesn't regulate it that creates these insanely high prices. You can create conjecture all you want, but when Canada, the UK, the Nordic countries, all have single payer healthcare, and pay significantly less, your argument goes out the window. We're dealing with facts, not conjecture. The economics of scale allows the government to do certain things better than private industry. Twenty cents of every healthcare dollar spent goes not to healthcare, but to marketing, underwriting, administration, and profit. That's not efficient in the least. All of that goes away with single payer.

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Along with:
Research
Improvements
freedom of choice


Forbes did a report on biologic and medical Innovation in 2011.

the US proved more of these from 2005 - 2009 then all the others combined. On the order twice of all the others combined. Why is that? because we don't have a single payer system. Innovation and improvement is driven by competition. Government run institution have little motivation for pure research.

a reply to: Wardaddy454

I dunno, Obama hasn't been all bad for the country. I find that most of his faults were created by an obstinate GOP that blocked everything he tried then ridiculed him for failing. Not that he was perfect and did everything for his voters that he promised or anything, just that the conservative negative opinion about Obama is mostly hyperbole.

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: Gumerk

This is just the tip of the iceberg with Bernie. I love this man as my fellow citizen and I love his ideas. Do we realize how much this country would change i

I have had enough of liberal 'change' to last me awhile.

It's likely not going away. The GOP has alienated the minorities in this country and as was shown by the last two elections, you can't win the general election with white votes alone anymore.

I'd count on a Democratic victory in 2016. Either Hillary or Bernie. The GOP can't get its head out of its ass to put forth a candidate that will appeal to the majority of the country anymore. Heck you pointed out yourself the one candidate that has a chance Jeb can't appeal to more than 2% of the voting base. They are shooting themselves in the foot. Unless some miracle block of white voters shows up in this country, the GOP is destined to play second fiddle for at least another 4 years.

a reply to: Semicollegiate

hate to be that guy because its not really even a core part of your arguments but the hospital in idiocracy was a privately owned for profit hospital (and the story only really kicks off when the main character is put in prison for being unable to pay his bill)
and a lot of the focus of the movie was on a dystopian future were corporations own and control almost everything (including the government)

....just saying you picked pretty much the worst example you possibly could have

a reply to: Krazysh0t

And yet he is still behind Clinton by 30 points in polls.

Honest and trustworthy is only one metric. If that were all it takes ... I agree he's honest about what he says, and what he says scares me, so I would NEVER vote for him.

a reply to: ketsuko

Hey now. I posted this on page 1.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Obama was this far behind Clinton in 08 around this time in 07. It's not evidence that he's going to win, but it's not like such a lead hasn't been overcome. AND it's been done against this opponent. It could happen again too.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: amicktd

It's not getting free stuff, its called getting what you deserve.

May I ask what is it that you deserve?

Yea a country thats not riddled with corruption...that would be a start.

originally posted by: dismanrc

originally posted by: amicktd

originally posted by: Mikeyy
Yawn.

What exactly does the Burn offer that should make me at all excited about him?

Let me guess, free stuff...

It's not getting free stuff, its called getting what you deserve.

I must have missed that in reading the Constitution.

Where does it say the government owes us all this stuff?

The Constitution says the government is to haddle the defense of the country, provide the framework of the legal system,coin money and manage foreign affairs. All other items belong to the people or the states.

No where does it say:

Retirement/social security
Medical care
School
Welfare
or any of the other ideas most people say they "deserve"

We have been dumb enough over the years to hand most of this over to them without a fight and now we are dealing with it.

If you go lay down at someones feet and say please take care of me, you deserve what every they WANT to give you and no more. You don't like it? Take control of your own life and do what you want.

Well I must have missed the part of the constitution that says corporations and politicians can work together writing legislation to make themselves rich. Have you read about mark zuckerberg's new charity?

a reply to: Mikeyy

Abortion, Don't give a # I'm a guy.

Same here, I'm pro-choice

-Looks like he's a big spender, More debt, Excellent!

So is everyone else and nobody is even sharing their plans, at least Bernie keeps people informed. I could also find articles from economists saying his plans will save 5 trillion over a decade. So who's right? What I like is he wants to spend that money rebuilding our own country, not bombing and rebuilding others.

-Anti-business, Less opportunities for us.

He is for the unions and taking the power from the corporations and giving it back to the people. Which in my opinion will drive up wages.

Bernie is pro drugs, not a fan of that, I think people are retarded enough without the substance abuse.

He is pro marijuana basically, but wants the criminal aspect out of the equation and it treated more like a disease.

-He likes to throw money at education, first positive thing I found, although that damn evil Christian school that wanted to prey, can't have that #, good on the Bern to step in there and assert his rights on them.

Agree

-The Bern is Anti Energy industry to the extreme, Sweet High utility bills are cool. I love reading about Solyndra taking our tax dollars scott free, no punishment. But those damn coal burnin' polutin suns a bitches, gotta punish them!

He is trying to push the country towards clean energy to help in the fight against climate change. Don't you want a better world for your grandchildren?

Voted YES on Congressional pay raise. (Jul 2009) I see where this going. Sneaky Uncle Bern.

Would you tell someone no to a pay raise?

-is Anti-Gun, not ok with me.

I don't see it that way. I see it as anti-assault weapons. Plus I honestly don't see guns going away, don't know why people worry so much about it.

Make health care a right, not a privilege. (Nov 1999) Ah is this what you meant? I dread what this guy comes up with, Obama Care is an expensive disaster. It costs families more then it did before. We have a right to pay more!

Universal Health Care, most first world countries are already onboard with this program.

Raise the minimum wage to $15, what if I don't make minimum wage? does that mean I just got a pay cut? So when inflation catches up and Milk goes to $6 a gallon I'm officially poor again?

This isn't just jump to $15/hr immediately, last I checked it was he wanted minimum wage increased to $10/hr by 2016. So looks like a gradual increase, which is definitely needed. So you don't think wages have been stagnant for the past decade or so?

Voted YES on authorizing states to collect Internet sales taxes. (May 2013) Wow dick move Bern.

I honestly don't see anything wrong with this, but will look into it more and figure out the details. Honestly hadn't heard of this yet, so thanks for sharing.

For all those against Bernie's price tag proposals:

Salon
usuncut

huffington post

buffalonews

originally posted by: dismanrc
Means we can all quit our jobs and let uncle Burny take care of us.


Of course if we are all getting all this free stuff he promises and not working don't know how he is going to pay for it.

But that's the liberal way

$15/hr minimum wage.
Free school for all (By the way is that all the way to a Doctorate, or can I get more then one if I want to stay in school?)
Free health care
Free retirement
Free welfare if I can't work. (Which of course if im in school full time I won't be able too, right?)
Of course this also apply s to anyone that can swim.drive, walk or fly here I would guess.
Of course this will be paid for by all those evil 1% (Before they are broke or move out of the country.)

All you guys have is speculation and exaggeration. No wonder Bernie does so well, people like yourself make him look better and better each day with nothing but empty attacks. How about presenting another candidate with better plans?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Wardaddy454

I dunno, Obama hasn't been all bad for the country. I find that most of his faults were created by an obstinate GOP that blocked everything he tried then ridiculed him for failing. Not that he was perfect and did everything for his voters that he promised or anything, just that the conservative negative opinion about Obama is mostly hyperbole.

Exactly. From day 1 in 2009, Mitch McConnell said he would never work with Obama. Turtle man wasn't playing nice.

"Biden: Mitch McConnell vowed no cooperation with the Obama administration from the get-go"
www.dailykos.com...

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Interesting, we often have conflicting views and ideas but we are both voting for this guy. Bernie Sanders is my guy because he's the only president that talks about real issues, government corruption, big pharma, banksters. Not to mention a single payer system which will finally put us up there with most other first world nations. He's said to have the best voting history when it comes to woman's rights and such as well.

originally posted by: dismanrc
We may, but have no say in the abortion part of the deal. That is reserved for female input only.

Really??? As long as there are still men in the government and legal system who are voting on abortion laws I'd say it's not a female only issue. But that also wasn't my point either. As long as it takes both male and female to get pregnant then they're both included in the responsibility in some part.

Now wonder how everyone would react if we DID propose a law that both mother and father had the right to input on this?

They've tried doing that already in a variety of ways.

Women would scream that it her body and her right, right up until the baby is here then they scream the father owes HER because it's HIS baby.

Some might sure. Probably a good reason to make careful choices in that area then.