Are WiFi and other RF signals causing harm to people

originally posted by: VoidHawk
a reply to: ChesterJohn

You dont need anything too expensive to keep out the RF signals. Use foil under wallpaper, make sure its earthed! Foil on the ceiling and under carpets too. All foil needs to be earthed. Dont forget doors!
Windows can be purchased that filter out rf, they might be expensive.

Look into LiFI. Its like wifi but it uses the lights (LED) to send/receive the signals. Small LED's can be used during the day.

I'm affected by mobile phones, cant use them now. People will likely tell you its all imagination and there's no proof, but that because it hasn't happened to them.
Recently I've been working on an app that uses bluetooth and so I've had two devices with bluetooth switched on for about 12 hours each day and I've just had my first ever vertigo session, it was bloody awful!

For those who say there's no proof, just wait until it happens to you, then tell yourself there's no proof!

Don't forget to make a tin foil hat too...

Don't forget that LED's emit electromagnetic radiation much closer to a range that is actually harmful and since LED's operate from 600nm - 800nm and also output a very small amount of radiation in the 400nm range - you know UV - that stuff that burns your skin - you should be very careful with your LiFi.

a reply to: Bedlam

apparently you never read the last link hps.org seeing it was pro WiFi RF safety report.

It is not just WiFi/RF/HD If you read more of my posts you would have seen I was acknowledging Electromagnetic fields, Micro waves, and their frequencies into this mixture too.

Like I said, none of these in and of them selves are dangerous, they don't irradiate your body with harmful levels of Radiation or chemicals. It is nuts to claim they do but the truth is they don't, it is not.

Being older today in a world that has Radio and TV (since the 1920's hasn't even been 100 years yet), Microwave ovens and Transmission stations for communication (only 60 years), doesn't mean that every generation of older folks had the same sleep problems or patterns we see happening today. Just to say it is old age is a throw off.

This we do know, the different waves from standard RF, WiFi, Microwaves, Electrical grids, wiring in your house and other types of signals/frequencies, as they pass through your body (not 100% of the frequency/signals/wavelengths bounce off) are picked up by your body like an antennae resonates/vibrates with the wave length (all the different signals/frequencies resonate at different speeds) different parts of the bodies nervous system picks up on these resonance/vibrations/frequencies and react accordingly. Eyes, Ears (crystals in the ear), Nose, Larynx, and their corresponding brain centers react to these waves as they pass through your body. Your body reacts to the stress of these signals on the body even at low levels they are reacting and producing different chemicals to counter act the low level bombardment of RF and other signals/frequencies on your system. The longer you are exposed to these very low level RF and other natural and unnatural low level wave length vibrations/frequencies, the constant low level output of the your bodies chemicals endorphine, adrenalin and others eventually begin to take its toll on your body resulting in mild to migraine headaches, ringing in the ears, vertigo, heartburn and ulcers, in some hard stools in other loose stools, rashes, light sensitivity, hallucinations both audio and visual, inattention, hypersensitivity to electronics, hyper-activity, abnormal sleep patterns. etc . . .

It is as if your body has been overdosing you with these drugs produced from your own body for so long and builds up and you begin to show signs of the physical and mental stress of the drug use. Most Drug addicts have all of the same health problems listed above when they are on drugs for long periods of time.

Again the signals/waves/frequencies are not the problem it is our bodies response to the waves that are doing this. And it is at such low levels that it builds up over the years and affect not just our body and minds but eventually our DNA/RNA and "could be why" so may kids are born autistic and have other birth defect and diseases, "could be why" the increase in cancer and other diseases in adults and even dementia and Alzheimer's.

I used to test bluetooth devices, and it scared me to learn how much stuff operates on the 4 ghz range. It's almost every wireless thing you can think of. The cell towers scare me the most. I lived in a larger apartment bldg once that was trying to put a tower on the roof and a neighbor lady gave us all pamphlets that told us about some studies in California about higher breast cancer rates in areas with more transmitters. There's also a decent documentary out there on the supposed effects of the smart meters.

When I tested cellular devices for about a year (I couldn't stand that business) I noticed an odd vibration in my feet and legs while at work, and had tinnitus all the time. I am likely just delusional and slightly paranoid, but I cannot stop from pondering some 'what-ifs'

a reply to: TheGoondockSaint

Just give it a few more years when the health problems start to appear and the Doctors say they don't know the cause.

Radio waves building up and stored in our bodies?

DNA/RNA destroyed due to this process?

Hm... maybe you interested in my new line of EMF protected clothing .. it's not cheap but it gives you a sense of security.

originally posted by: Aliquandro
I used to test bluetooth devices, and it scared me to learn how much stuff operates on the 4 ghz range

Oh good .. now I know why my phone never connects to my bluetooth speaker...

Bluetooth doesn't operate in 4Ghz but 2.4Ghz. Probably that's why you are not a tester anymore.

Also, the reason why so many devices are in 2.4Ghz is that this is one of the license-free frequencies - meaning you as the operator/device maker/etc don't have to pay fees to the Government or whoever owns the frequency range.

originally posted by: Bedlam

originally posted by: sociolpath
The ac-dc transformer in my house emits rf frequencies that prevent me from sleep.

I either have to disconnect it or something else I cannot say here.

What do you consider to be an "ac-dc transformer"?

It transforms 110 volt ac to 12 volt DC.

a reply to: flyandi

There is no build up or storage. It is about causing the body to produce chemicals to protect itself from RF and other signals/frequencies/waves at low levels for years on end until those same Chemically induced protections finally build up and cause harm.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
There is no build up or storage. It is about causing the body to produce chemicals to protect itself from RF and other signals/frequencies/waves at low levels for years on end until those same Chemically induced protections finally build up and cause harm.

So, just so I have this straight...

EM radiation, which we have been exposed to since the Earth began, are causing issues now? But, haven't been in the past?

Yes, I am well aware that once we hit a certain exposure amount, we will have issues. What I am having trouble with is why wi-fi has become a culprit? My router emits far less EM than any single light bulb in my house. It emits far less EM than all of my major appliances, and magnitudes less then my home theatre...

So, if EM is in becoming an issue, why are people looking at something that accounts for, what? 1 millionth of a percent of our daily intake? If EM is becoming an issue, maybe we should be looking at the big contributors...

Where's Mr. Burns?! I need something to block out the sun!

i use my laptop for gaming every night. my wifi receiver is 4 feet away from me and always on. i feel fine. as for school girld committing suicide, i dont think there's much mystery about that.

is there any solid evidence that wifi can cause actual harm? because ive never seen any

originally posted by: sociolpath

originally posted by: Bedlam

originally posted by: sociolpath
The ac-dc transformer in my house emits rf frequencies that prevent me from sleep.

I either have to disconnect it or something else I cannot say here.

What do you consider to be an "ac-dc transformer"?

It transforms 110 volt ac to 12 volt DC.

That would be a 'power supply'. Depending on how it's designed, it may or may not emit anything at all. But all of them are tested to meet FCC class B. That doesn't leave a lot of emissions.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Bedlam

apparently you never read the last link hps.org seeing it was pro WiFi RF safety report.

It is not just WiFi/RF/HD If you read more of my posts you would have seen I was acknowledging Electromagnetic fields, Micro waves, and their frequencies into this mixture too.

You're again making false divisions here - it's all RF. Or EMF, depending on how general you want to look at it.

Like I said, none of these in and of them selves are dangerous, they don't irradiate your body with harmful levels of Radiation or chemicals. It is nuts to claim they do but the truth is they don't, it is not.

Being older today in a world that has Radio and TV (since the 1920's hasn't even been 100 years yet), Microwave ovens and Transmission stations for communication (only 60 years), doesn't mean that every generation of older folks had the same sleep problems or patterns we see happening today. Just to say it is old age is a throw off.

Sure it does. A bit of study would help you here. The older you are, the worse the sleep.

This we do know, the different waves from standard RF, WiFi, Microwaves, Electrical grids, wiring in your house and other types of signals/frequencies, as they pass through your body (not 100% of the frequency/signals/wavelengths bounce off) are picked up by your body like an antennae resonates/vibrates with the wave length (all the different signals/frequencies resonate at different speeds) different parts of the bodies nervous system picks up on these resonance/vibrations/frequencies and react accordingly.

Your body doesn't "resonate with the wave length". It's not resonant with RF. It's an absorber. You present a dissipative load to RF. Nothing "resonates at different speeds" because that doesn't make sense. EMF is not a vibration. You're using a lot of words here but few of them go together the way you're using them.

Your nervous system does not receive RF. It can be heated by it.

Eyes, Ears (crystals in the ear), Nose, Larynx, and their corresponding brain centers react to these waves as they pass through your body.

The only EMF you're designed to detect directly is light, and that only because you've got specialized pigments that degrade with only a few photons of the right frequency, and the retinal neuron is designed to detect that degradation. You have no structures that resonate with RF because you're not metallic. No capacitors, no inductors. You're a dissipative load.

Your body reacts to the stress of these signals on the body even at low levels they are reacting and producing different chemicals to counter act the low level bombardment of RF and other signals/frequencies on your system...

Sounds like some Mercola spew.

...eventually our DNA/RNA and "could be why" so may kids are born autistic and have other birth defect and diseases, "could be why" the increase in cancer and other diseases in adults and even dementia and Alzheimer's.

No, those are all due to unicorn flatus.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: TheGoondockSaint

Just give it a few more years when the health problems start to appear and the Doctors say they don't know the cause.

RF's been around since we were all single celled organisms. There's been plenty of years.

a reply to: Bedlam

Not at the levels and frequencies we have today.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Bedlam

Not at the levels and types we have today.

It's all the same type. Step outside - look at the light. That's EMF too.

What's carried on the RF isn't germane. So "wifi" and "HD" are meaningless.

I work at a manufacturing facility which utilizes RF welding technology for welding thin urethane, vinyl and laminates. We have over 100 machines ranging in power from 4kW to 50kW. I sometimes wonder how it may be affecting my health as the time goes on...

Wifi is low frequency, it is not harmful. 4g is very harmful. When you use your cellphone, the signal goes from your phone, to your head, to the tower. Wifi = ok 3g/4g = harmful. That's my uneducated take on the subject.

originally posted by: Vaedur
Wifi is low frequency, it is not harmful. 4g is very harmful. When you use your cellphone, the signal goes from your phone, to your head, to the tower. Wifi = ok 3g/4g = harmful. That's my uneducated take on the subject.

WiFi is higher frequency than most cell phones, if not all. However, cell phones have a lot more power.

originally posted by: Bedlam
WiFi is higher frequency than most cell phones, if not all. However, cell phones have a lot more power.

The other problem with cell phones is that apparently less than 1% of the population who uses them follow the instructions, from my informal survey of watching people hold the phones against their head. The instructions invariably say to maintain some distance between the phone and your head, maybe a centimeter or so depending on the instructions.

The reason is that the inverse square law says bad things can happen as the distance approaches zero. I don't think the correlation between brain tumors and people who have a cell phone pressed against their head for 11 hours a day has been completely ruled out yet, so that correlation is at least more plausible than the wifi claims though further research is needed to determine if the statistics hold up.