Robert Dear is a Christian Terrorist

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: theantediluvian

Wow... 3 divorces?

What denomination tolerates that kind of tomfoolery? That fact alone demonstrates he wasn't right with God.

Try telling that to an anti-Christian... Christians all over America denounce these types of people, but we're easy targets because we're the adults that don't argue back. Then when we do, we get called hateful, unChristian, etc etc...

a reply to: Fromabove

You have to read the Quran and understand abrogation to see that all the hate and death are commands not requests

Even Muslim scholars cannot all agree on abrogation. But somehow you have a firm understanding?

Please.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: stormbringer1701

So what does any of that have to do with the post you quoted? The bible is often contradictory too, yet many don't have a problem worshiping that as well.

Though I find it amazing that people who aren't Muslims have the audacity to tell Muslims what they should and shouldn't believe.

this abrogation thing comes from thier own koran and from thier religious authorities and scholars. it's hardly necessary to invoke outsiders to do it.

a reply to: stormbringer1701

Awesome you are able to rationalize away the contradictions, that doesn't mean they don't exist though.

How should nonbelievers be treated?

a reply to: Krazysh0t

WOW! That is simply amazing! You really don't understand the difference between a real Christian and a fake, and an obedient devout muslim killing for virgins.

Let me simplify it for you.

Jesus said love your enemies and forgive them and love others as yourself.

Muhammad said kill the Christian and the Jew wherever you find them. Break their necks, and take no Jew or Christian as your friend.

Abrogation: A term used to mean that where two things contradict the last hold authority over the first.

All the love of the first half of the Quran is replaced by all the death' terror, and hate of the last part and is the authority to the muslim.

How's that? Does it help ?

Four verses in the Qu'ran acknowledge or justify abrogation:

When we cancel a message, or throw it into oblivion, we replace it with one better or one similar. Do you not know that God has power over all things?[10]
When we replace a message with another, and God knows best what he reveals, they say: You have made it up. Yet, most of them do not know.[11]
God abrogates or confirms whatsoever he will, for he has with him the Book of the Books.[12]
If we pleased, we could take away what we have revealed to you. Then you will not find anyone to plead for it with us.[13]

aside from that thereis a hell of a lot of extracannonical writing on it by internally respected muslim authorship.

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Fromabove

You have to read the Quran and understand abrogation to see that all the hate and death are commands not requests

Even Muslim scholars cannot all agree on abrogation. But somehow you have a firm understanding?

Please.

In Islam, there can be no dissent upon penalty of committing blasphemy. To them it is settled law.

a reply to: Fromabove

The biggest difference being that this case has nothing to do with Islam and people are trying to obfuscate the issue by dragging it in to the discussion.

It's sad.

originally posted by: Fromabove
a reply to: Krazysh0t

WOW! That is simply amazing! You really don't understand the difference between a real Christian and a fake, and an obedient devout muslim killing for virgins.

Says the guy who can't even be bothered to properly understand the religion he is trying to demonize...
Debunking the ‘Suicide for 72 Virgins’ Myth

Let me simplify it for you.

Jesus said love your enemies and forgive them and love others as yourself.

Muhammad said kill the Christian and the Jew wherever you find them. Break their necks, and take no Jew or Christian as your friend.

Does Islam Say: "Kill The Infidels"?

Abrogation: A term used to mean that where two things contradict the last hold authority over the first.

All the love of the first half of the Quran is replaced by all the death' terror, and hate of the last part and is the authority to the muslim.

How's that? Does it help ?

Nope it just further confirms your cognitive dissonance. Especially since I just proved you wrong twice in this post.

a reply to: Fromabove

What the hell does Islam have to do with this?

Nothing.

It's irrelevant and off topic.

Stop trying to muddy the waters.

Yeah whatever. Here's a quote I found and I decided to keep it.

Homosexuality, women's rights, secular democracy vs theocracy.
Why are liberals only comfortable in opposing the extreme right, and not Islam, when it comes to these values? - Paul Joseph Watson

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: stormbringer1701

Awesome you are able to rationalize away the contradictions, that doesn't mean they don't exist though.

How should nonbelievers be treated?

in the case of adam's "birthday" the original manuscripts in either the masara or the septaugeant still exist in the british museum of antiquities. these are the ones the King James Version Editors used to create the KJV.

in the original language there is a impersonal adam on the day six creation and a personal article on adam on the eighth day creation in chapter 2. ADM can mean mankind, a man, a man named adam, ruddy complected, to blush, to bring blood to the face and blood. What it means in each case depends on context or modifiers in the original language that are not present in English.

The correct and logical interpretation is that God created mankind on day six and created a specific man named Adam on day eight. this means there were humans on earth before adam was created. they had cities. they had kings. They had history. they had daughters that adam's sons could marry. Cain Married on of them for example. This is where cain fled to. the lands of sixth day man were *ALL* called the land of Nod.

originally posted by: FlySolo
Yeah whatever. Here's a quote I found and I decided to keep it.

Homosexuality, women's rights, secular democracy vs theocracy.
Why are liberals only comfortable in opposing the extreme right, and not Islam, when it comes to these values? - Paul Joseph Watson

When radical Islam becomes a problem in the US and they have an entire media machine designed to spread their propaganda, then we will take notice. Until then, all these people are doing is trying to take the attention off of them and force it on to Islam.

Pathetic.

a reply to: introvert

I didn't bring up Islam, someone else began that conversation and it's defenders wanted to keep it going. But now that the argument is being lost I can accept the win and move on. To stay on topic with the right to answer any Islam question posed...

Anyone claiming to be a Christina but does not live the life of a Christina with faith in Christ and obedience to the things He taught is not Christian. The man was simply insane, not a devout Christian.

I remember a time when being a Klan member was held in high esteem in the South. Then that changed, amongst the family unit in the 60's, and was a thing of shame. Christians make Jesus a liar and his death a mockery by not being humble. They are killing him all over again by distorting his good news. This man hated everyone.

a reply to: stormbringer1701

This is all new to me considering that I wasn't aware of an 8th day of creation. The Bible I've always read only mentions 7. It's also curious that you are able to get all this information out of such a small account of what happened during those days of creation.

I'm glad you've found a way to continue to rationalize your faith in the face of logic that makes the Genesis account contradictory, but you aren't doing anything to show me any differently. I see the contradictions and I don't need to rationalize them away, because I don't have a need to believe the Bible is true.

On Cannabis.com, the writer said in December 2005: “AIDS, hurricanes, we are in the end times. Accept the LORD JESUS while you can.”

Is that right there not enough proof that there were early signs of this man's insanity? Seriously - hurricanes and AIDS equal the end times??? This man is insane!

Look at his face, his skin, his eyes - it's obvious (to those who would know such things) that he is and has been in the throws of some sort of addiction for years, it's obvious!

Do you really believe this man did anything for Christianity? Article after article state he was not a regular church go-er, he just spewed fragmented bible babble----because he is crazy!!

Seems to me he was an EXTREMELY selfish and EXTREMELY self-righteous drunk that got his featheres ruffled by someone or something and lost it.

I do not get the impression this man expressed, thinks, or believes he was doing God's work (Christian or otherwise).

But it's too boring to accept it was the actions of a very troubled person. HAD to be a political agenda.

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Fromabove

What the hell does Islam have to do with this?

Nothing.

It's irrelevant and off topic.

Stop trying to muddy the waters.

Islam has nothing to do with this incident. The perp has his own Christian beliefs and acted out on them. One problem with humanity in general, out of many, is religion and the interpretation of those beliefs from fairy tale books. The Lord of the Rings stories are more believable than a guy walking on water or ascending to heaven on a winged horse.

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: LSU0408

I've always said "white or right" will earn you the terrorist brand, and being a racist comes standard.

I'm white and have never been branded a terrorist or a racist. That sort of mindset comes from people that wish to play the emotional victim because at some point their actions or beliefs have been deemed inappropriate or "a bit off" when living in a civilized society.

I can't help but notice that most people in this thread have completely missed what the real issue is here. It's not about Christians, conservatives, pro-life or pro-constitution (which is laughable in and of itself, considering most people that call themselves constitutionalists have no basic knowledge of the document). It's about what your propaganda is doing to people that claim to be Christian, etc.

All the things listed above are fine by themselves, but if you pump people full of the hateful, ignorant Right Wing propaganda, it's only a matter of time before something like this happens.

If the Right Wing, pro-life, pro-constitution, Christians want me to believe that they are the people they say they are and believe as they say they believe, then they need to start denouncing their media sources. Hold FoxNews, WND, Breitbart, talk radio and the rest accountable for spreading hate and brainwashing people.

If they cannot do that simple thing, I have no choice but to believe they are brainwashed as well and agree with the garbage they peddle.

Have you ever killed more than one person in one setting? Until then, I wouldn't expect you to be called a terrorist. I can assure you that you've been called a racist at some point or another though. I would also like some links where Fox News brainwashes its listeners.