I am SICK and TIRED of "Global Warming" Nonsense

a reply to: AboveBoard

Why just look back to 1993 ?

If you go back 50 millions years you will find that sea levels have fallen by 200m

Who's fault was that ?

a reply to: eluryh22

FINALLY you post some counter evidence. Sheesh. It always feels like pulling teeth to get someone to back up his arguments with evidence... Though I'm not sure what your link is supposed to be showing since all I can read is the abstract and there is no conclusion present. It does however say that ice volume has increased so you got me there. Though it looks like the paper is saying that the increase in volume is seasonal in nature and not part of the changing climate.

Ice thickness increases are also found in the inner pack in the Amundsen and Weddell Seas, where the model suggests that observed ice-drift trends directed toward the coast have caused dynamical thickening in autumn and winter. Modeled changes are predominantly dynamic in origin in the Pacific sector and thermodynamic elsewhere.

So I'm not exactly surprised that volume may increase some when it gets colder out.

originally posted by: bigyin
a reply to: AboveBoard

Why just look back to 1993 ?

If you go back 50 millions years you will find that sea levels have fallen by 200m

Who's fault was that ?

C02 / methane emissions are to blame both then and now, only the reasons for it have been natural in the past, as opposed to man-made.

Carbon emissions from our use of fossil fuels, our increased production of animals that release C02 and methane gasses because we like to eat them, and our destruction of the forests that might have absorbed more of the C02, at least, are behind the rapid rise in "greenhouse gasses" which drive the documented rising planetary temperature.

People think that admitting human activity is responsible is scary - that governments or "leftist environmentalists" will use that "forensic guilt" to further their local and global agendas. Well, they just might do that! Gotta watch us humans and check our motives and our facts before following like lemmings!! But to assume that this is a manufactured crisis does not align with the facts.

Alternatively (or in addition to this agenda pushing) they might seriously want to prevent global disaster, and getting human C02 related emissions down is one way to at least contain the damage already done.

Conversely, who has a stake in keeping the status quo? Could the *gasp* Fossil Fuel Industry have their oily fingers wrapped around their own agenda to make sure nothing changes so the profits don't drop? What about the military industrial complex? They run on fossil fuels, as do many other industries. Could it be that there are major stakeholders AGAINST humans taking reasonable measures to stall climate change?

Personally, I blame greed, ignorance and inertia.

By ignorance, I mean that we could not have predicted that our emissions of C02 would cause the earth's global temperature trend to warm so rapidly. We, as a people, are innocent.

Except for the Oil Companies (can you say Exon Mobile?) who KNEW the science pointed to their product as the problem all along. That they hid this and put out propaganda against the science of climate change to save their bottom line is despicable. That's the greed part.

Inertia is our natural unwillingness to make radical changes in our lifestyles, and the slowness with which ways and means to help us make these changes are able to come, for various reasons.

I think of it this way - rather than getting all uppity about "Blame" and "Guilt," and reveling in the self-righteous indignation of making judgements, I would rather say that humanity has collectively made a big mistake.

We've had an accident. it's up to us whether or not we can work together to fix the problem. If we choose to remain ignorant or to react defensively against perceptions of blame, we can't get it done.

So. Are we going to roll up our collective sleeves, get our hands dirty, wield our power and freaking bend our will to fix this in whatever way we can? Or are we going to wring our limp hands and point fingers and passively watch in horror as the flood waters rise? Same thing with our nuclear waste.

Do we deserve to live on the planet? Or do we deserve to become lovely marker-fossils for alien races or some future intelligent life to puzzle over?

- AB

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
So I'm not exactly surprised that volume may increase some when it gets colder out.

That's funny, but I think you need a coffee break, you have been far to busy today, and missed a few items already provided here..well in links provided, in the haste to counter post in other forums. You should never ignore video links either that contain specific pages right in front of the eyeball.
Did it ever occur to you that NASA..themselves, might just be a little pissed at other closely affiliated organisations because their own research is at odds with them?
This is their two headed dragon,
' NASA reports that deep ocean water temperatures neither explain the increase in ocean surface temperatures, nor why global temperatures appear to have paused in recent years.'

Now why would they say that?
I would presume that it means that the 17year to 18year plus hiatus means to them that Co2 is just an innocent homeless character munching away, oblivious to all the hype that is going on around him and not the driving, dragon like force that is heating up the..what atmosphere? the ground? feck it they don't know, except that it's not Co2.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Metallicus

So because I believe Climate Change is real and we should do something about, I'm supposed to have all the answers on how to fix it?

Why do you guys always do this? Do you even realize you're doing it? I suspect it's part of the programming. Everyone believes in climate change, bud. You're not a special snowflake. Some of us are very skeptical about the so called science behind AGW theory and the government hysteria that comes from it.

a reply to: soulpowertothendegree



Agreed.

originally posted by: AboveBoard

originally posted by: soulpowertothendegree
Who gives a flying crap about "Global Warming"? In all the rhetoric about the causes there has been one fact completely overlooked...the population of this planet has increased, so, yeah there is going to be an increase in temperatures, but who cares.

The fact we are on the verge of yet another WW how is any of this relevant?

Pretty soon someday in the near future there will be a reduction in the population from the onslaught of nuclear arsenal and then we can really cry about "Global Warming".

Until then shut the hell up about it and try to do something about the EVIL warmongers that are intent on destroying this planet.

I agree that nuclear war would be a disaster of immense and immediate proportions. Nuclear waste from power plants are, in my opinion, also a massive threat to humanity that is largely swept under the rug, but hey, we need to charge our cell phones already!

However, to disregard the effects of sea level rise, which is dislocating and threatening to dislocate people from villages and entire island countries from the Pacific to Alaska, is short sighted. Relocation of entire populations in, say, Bangladesh (Southern India) as this thing called climate change progresses, would be a massive problem for the world - much greater than the Syrian refugee crisis! And that's just one aspect of how climate change will affect all of us.

Ocean warming is changing things too, and impacting sea life, which we humans might also want to consider as we use ocean life as a major food source... Scientific America: How will Warmer Oceans Effect Sea Life? (Food chain impact)

This is a real, and present danger to all of us. Why disregard it as "crap?" It WILL affect you. It WILL affect everyone on the planet. It is a global problem that we can do something about if we get our heads out of our rear ends, so to speak, and stop pretending its somehow a "manufactured crisis" by somebody.

Sea Levels Could Rise At Least 6 Meters (Scientific American) How many people would that impact?

By 2050, 26 major U.S. cities will face an “emerging flooding crisis.” Globally, storm damage could cost cities from Hong Kong to Dhaka to New York trillions annually unless adaptation measures are taken. According to Climate Central estimates, 150 million or more people are currently living on land that will either be submerged or exposed to chronic flooding by 2100.

Yes, Nukes are a very big problem that COULD cause a global disaster and relocation of millions.

Climate change is a very big problem that IS causing a global disaster, just in slow motion, rather than a mushroom cloud. And it already is threatening to relocate people. Mass migration is the story of this century, and that's if we can somehow contain it...

Recent Sea Level Rise



NOTE: I didn't post this to convince you, OP, as you've already made up your mind that climate change is no biggie. I posted it because its a real threat, and someone here has to say it because its real and if we choose to disregard it, it is at the peril of the world's peoples, our own country, our global and local economy, our safety, our food, our water, and possibly our lives. (Rising oceans will impact a few nuclear power plants too...double whammy. Yay. LINK)

- AB

According Al Gote decades ago many parts of where I live should be underwater by now! Go figure!

originally posted by: TheBulk

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Metallicus

So because I believe Climate Change is real and we should do something about, I'm supposed to have all the answers on how to fix it?

Why do you guys always do this? Do you even realize you're doing it? I suspect it's part of the programming. Everyone believes in climate change, bud. You're not a special snowflake. Some of us are very skeptical about the so called science behind AGW theory and the government hysteria that comes from it.

I can agree with that, but some people are uncomfortable with an, 'inconvenient truth' for different reasons, in the case of Al Gore, it's probably not a truth at all, and that the inconvenience is having to listen to him.
Elsewhere, scientists may be uncomfortable because they can't buy into it, or are unable to do so in all honesty.
I was going to add this significant 2013 NASA video into my last post to Krazysh0t, but frankly I think it better here. You should find it interesting, a credit to NASA as well.

a reply to: sirlancelot

I'm not saying Al Gore said everything correctly. I'm not referring to him in my quotes or research.
I have no idea what he did or didn't say about it - never watched the movie. I am, however, looking at current science.

*shrug*

- AB

originally posted by: rukia
a reply to: soulpowertothendegree

Agreed.

ahahahahahah
hilarious man
glad i went to the last page before typing out my reply

global warming may very well be real. i saw an article today that said something like th eeart will heat up by 2 degrees by the end of the next couple centuries.

sounds like i am all good then.
as long as things stay in the safe range for the next 80 years or so(my daughters lifetime) then i really dont care beyond that point.
i dont go out of my way to pollute the earth and such but im not too concerned with the long game/humanity..

a reply to: eluryh22

Are you admitting that you do not know the difference between land ice and sea ice?

I ask because you didn't address Krazyshots point.


Question:

How does an increase or decrease in sea ice affect sea level?

How does an increase or decrease in land ice affect sea level?


How can either of those affect the volume?

a reply to: soulpowertothendegree

You're an idiot.

You're going to give a crap about it soon enough.

By the way, any pointers on disestablishing the evil on Earth? Or should we just wait for your next amazing post?

Idiot.

It may not even be global warming but the Suns increased radiation that is heating up the oceans and in turn
changing the weather patterns.

www.nasa.gov...

It may not because by mans involvement but the Earth is warming. You have been warned.....

www.gizmag.com...


I don't expect anyone to read the links....your minds made up eh?

a reply to: olaru12

Hm. I thought it was the opposite?

Over the last 35 years the sun has shown a slight cooling trend. However global temperatures have been increasing. Since the sun and climate are going in opposite directions scientists conclude the sun cannot be the cause of recent global warming.

The only way to blame the sun for the current rise in temperatures is by cherry picking the data. This is done by showing only past periods when sun and climate move together and ignoring the last few decades when the two are moving in opposite directions.

Skeptical Science


ETA From NASA: LINK

But several lines of evidence show that current global warming cannot be explained by changes in energy from the sun:

Since 1750, the average amount of energy coming from the sun either remained constant or increased slightly.
If the warming were caused by a more active sun, then scientists would expect to see warmer temperatures in all layers of the atmosphere. Instead, they have observed a cooling in the upper atmosphere, and a warming at the surface and in the lower parts of the atmosphere. That's because greenhouse gasses are trapping heat in the lower atmosphere.
Climate models that include solar irradiance changes can’t reproduce the observed temperature trend over the past century or more without including a rise in greenhouse gases.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
We are doomed...
When we still have a massive amount of people sticking their heads in the sands and not caring nor believing what actual scientists say about climate change...
I hope one day in a few million years some specie finds the internet and points to OP's like this and say "Because of the ignorant they all died

).
Starting to think we don't deserve it...pity about all the other animals we effect.

I have often considered starting a thread for eulogies. Eulogies that might be written in the future about this time. Eulogies that gave deep consideration to the foibles and folly of how we failed during this crucial point in history.

Maybe have ATS members post their own thoughts on the issue. Though I am sure that most of the post would do nothing more than to blame THEM (insert your favorite boogyman)

Maybe have ATS members post their own thoughts on the issue. Though I am sure that most of the post would do nothing more than to blame THEM (insert your favorite boogyman)

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

Not trying to be a pain in the rear end... but isn't that what you are doing? Accusing others of "blaming others"....?

I like the idea in general though.

If ATS want's to set up some sort of "Time Capsule" thread that is open for a period then locked, put away and brought back in one, five, ten year intervals (for example) and see who was right and who was wrong... I'd partake.

originally posted by: eluryh22
a reply to: soulpowertothendegree

Hey, c'mon. I LOVE having people who never so much as opened an Earth Science textbook get all up in my face screaming "The Science is IN!!!!"

I was actually going to reach out to my employer to ask if I can get paid in Al Gore Carbon Credits.... but then I remembered back in 2006 he said we only had 10 years left and.....

Honestly, I think we've past the point of avoiding major catastrophe. Ten years ago the 'goal' was to keep the 'average global temperate' increase under 2 degrees C - we are at 1.8 and rising at an increasing rate. CO2 is at an average of 400 ppm (parts per million) where it begins to effect cognition (higher average rates in cities and indoors).

The ignorance of denialists is enbarrassing. No rudiments understanding whatsoever of what a system is and how it operates. No understanding of the terms used. No understanding at all. Just endless yelling. Good little corporate soldiers spouting the party line.

Well I guess it is an understandable reaction to fear and helplessness - just keep partying and go shopping. Good little consumers who's children will never know hope.

Oh that's right - they won't be around - the 'rapture' and all that. God will save me.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: eluryh22

FINALLY you post some counter evidence. Sheesh. It always feels like pulling teeth to get someone to back up his arguments with evidence... Though I'm not sure what your link is supposed to be showing since all I can read is the abstract and there is no conclusion present. It does however say that ice volume has increased so you got me there. Though it looks like the paper is saying that the increase in volume is seasonal in nature and not part of the changing climate.

Ice thickness increases are also found in the inner pack in the Amundsen and Weddell Seas, where the model suggests that observed ice-drift trends directed toward the coast have caused dynamical thickening in autumn and winter. Modeled changes are predominantly dynamic in origin in the Pacific sector and thermodynamic elsewhere.

So I'm not exactly surprised that volume may increase some when it gets colder out.

Actually, I've the science behind that....

1. There's more ice in Antarctica than ever.
The past few years have seen an expansion of Antarctica's coastal ice sheets – a byproduct, ironically, of climate change, which has brought increased snow and rainfall to the continent. Meanwhile, Antarctica's inland ice sheets are melting at an alarming rate – 1,350 billion tons of ice disappeared into the ocean between 1992 and 2011. And that rate is increasing, fueling global rises in sea level.

Read more: www.rollingstone.com...
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Much of Antarctica is a DESERT and normally doesn't receive rainfall. Warming is causing rainfall where none happened before.

So far I have seen a continued effort to give global warming more attention. The blame for and the cause of are not definitive, I do know that there is more than one reason. Population increase as I stated in the OP is one. Maybe what everyone thinks is completely man made is also inaccurate. This planet has existed for 4 Billion years and the amount of data being gathered is all of what...Who in their right mind believes that there has not been a fluctuation of temperatures over the course of 4 Billion years?

Do you drive a car? Do you use any products that are manufactured by companies? Do you heat your home? Do you use air conditioning? Do you use plastic and Styrofoam products? There is clamor over reducing this or that, but where is the clamor to stop killing each other over stupid senseless idiotic religious crap or oil or gold or diamonds?

I know I write about this type of crap all the time and I am sure you are all tired of hearing it.

a reply to: Krazysh0t
^5 dude...Anyone with an IQ higher than they're shoe size knows that climate change is real...here's a great response to the less informed. Tell them to go start they're car,let it run for a half hour..(you may need to pay for the gas,as they have to stand on a corner and beg due to low IQ's).Then tell them to pop the hood and put they're hand on the radiator.They might be smart enough not to do it,but why? "Well,its hot!".Imagine 300 million people in the US starting and driving a 250 degree engine around,well the air gets warm,never mind the pollution.You can't fix stupid.