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Colorado Springs gunman. The writing on the wall.
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a reply to: theyknowwhoyouare
well, they could have said that he hated obama and wanted to make a statement about abortion, but the republicans wouldn't have liked that....
or they could have said that he was upset about how the safety nets had left him out in the cold, but the the democrats wouldn't have liked that.
the only safe course of action would be to portray him as an antisocial paranoid wacko that we all need protection from.... that would work in both parties favor since they both can get behind the idea of the general population posing a threat to them and wanting to increase security to protect themselves.
well, they could have said that he hated obama and wanted to make a statement about abortion, but the republicans wouldn't have liked that....
or they could have said that he was upset about how the safety nets had left him out in the cold, but the the democrats wouldn't have liked that.
the only safe course of action would be to portray him as an antisocial paranoid wacko that we all need protection from.... that would work in both parties favor since they both can get behind the idea of the general population posing a threat to them and wanting to increase security to protect themselves.
a reply to: introvert
With respect, do you think conservatives, republicans, libertarians or even independents really care if you or like minded liberals are going to "hold their feet to the fire"? Liberals spend a lot of time indoctrinating and brainwashing people as well to equally dangerous points of view. This is why the Federal government has suspected terrorists listed on the right and left... and everywhere between.
The quote "no more body parts" came from an un-sourced non-specified "enforcement official" that couldn't speak on the record. It was this source that was quoted over and over throughout every media outlet with no more evidence provided than that quote. Investigators have not confirmed the claim and they have made clear that there is no clear motive, YET.
Whereas interviews with the individual's friends and family have stated (officially) that he was non-religious and didn't express views on abortion. That is official because those people were quoted as such on articles at BBC, CNN, etc. We also know the individual for whatever reason registered to vote as a female and was listed as independent voter. These are all facts being left out for some odd reason.
He also killed 3 people with none of the victims being patients or staff of PP. They are Garrett Swasey, 44 police officer, Jennifer Markovsky, 36, who was accompanying a friend and Ke'Arre Stewart, a 29-year-old father of two and Army veteran who served in Iraq. Reports don't exactly state what Stewart was doing in PP. Additional people were wounded as I am sure you know. With the officers names were released, but the civilians wounded were not.
PP initially stated they didn't have a motive as to why the shooter did what he did. After the unconfirmed and non-sourced body part statements (originally 1 then supposedly 2-out of no where) they changed their statement "Vicki Cowart, president of Planned Parenthood of the Rocky Mountains, went beyond an inference, saying the shooter "was motivated by opposition to safe and legal abortion." Lynch, who called the "unconscionable attack" a "crime against women receiving health care services," pledged the full resources of her office for the investigation." - without any evidence to backup her claims. An agenda and it's obvious why PP benefits from this narrative.
He is obviously deranged, but the reality is we have no witnesses being interviewed by the media (on the record) which can place a clear a motive. Police have taken a stance that they don't have a clear motive. The rest from the right and the left is purely conjecture and projection from their own points of view. He may have been a right wing nut, he could have been a left wing nut. Honestly, I don't care. He is a murderer in my mind and that is enough. The rest is just political agendas being played out in the news.
I am hoping the DA or police release an official statement today on the motive and the events of the shooting. There is quite a lot of speculation with no clear details. Thanks for reading.
With respect, do you think conservatives, republicans, libertarians or even independents really care if you or like minded liberals are going to "hold their feet to the fire"? Liberals spend a lot of time indoctrinating and brainwashing people as well to equally dangerous points of view. This is why the Federal government has suspected terrorists listed on the right and left... and everywhere between.
The quote "no more body parts" came from an un-sourced non-specified "enforcement official" that couldn't speak on the record. It was this source that was quoted over and over throughout every media outlet with no more evidence provided than that quote. Investigators have not confirmed the claim and they have made clear that there is no clear motive, YET.
Whereas interviews with the individual's friends and family have stated (officially) that he was non-religious and didn't express views on abortion. That is official because those people were quoted as such on articles at BBC, CNN, etc. We also know the individual for whatever reason registered to vote as a female and was listed as independent voter. These are all facts being left out for some odd reason.
He also killed 3 people with none of the victims being patients or staff of PP. They are Garrett Swasey, 44 police officer, Jennifer Markovsky, 36, who was accompanying a friend and Ke'Arre Stewart, a 29-year-old father of two and Army veteran who served in Iraq. Reports don't exactly state what Stewart was doing in PP. Additional people were wounded as I am sure you know. With the officers names were released, but the civilians wounded were not.
PP initially stated they didn't have a motive as to why the shooter did what he did. After the unconfirmed and non-sourced body part statements (originally 1 then supposedly 2-out of no where) they changed their statement "Vicki Cowart, president of Planned Parenthood of the Rocky Mountains, went beyond an inference, saying the shooter "was motivated by opposition to safe and legal abortion." Lynch, who called the "unconscionable attack" a "crime against women receiving health care services," pledged the full resources of her office for the investigation." - without any evidence to backup her claims. An agenda and it's obvious why PP benefits from this narrative.
He is obviously deranged, but the reality is we have no witnesses being interviewed by the media (on the record) which can place a clear a motive. Police have taken a stance that they don't have a clear motive. The rest from the right and the left is purely conjecture and projection from their own points of view. He may have been a right wing nut, he could have been a left wing nut. Honestly, I don't care. He is a murderer in my mind and that is enough. The rest is just political agendas being played out in the news.
I am hoping the DA or police release an official statement today on the motive and the events of the shooting. There is quite a lot of speculation with no clear details. Thanks for reading.
a reply to: silverdawn
No. They don't care one bit.
Like what? Climate Change? Marriage equality? Perhaps black lives matter?
Provide an example.
They are not being left out. I know very well that the facts surrounding this could change and I have left myself open to changing my perspective if need be. I have not said this guys is a Right Wing nut, etc, etc. All I have said is that I would not be surprised if he is, the propaganda they spread would produce and outcome such as this and if it does end up being true, we need to finally talk about.
I will have to find the source, but there is also pieces that have police officers talking about comments he made, including about abortion and Obama. We will have to wait and see.
With respect, do you think conservatives, republicans, libertarians or even independents really care if you or like minded liberals are going to "hold their feet to the fire"?
No. They don't care one bit.
Liberals spend a lot of time indoctrinating and brainwashing people as well to equally dangerous points of view.
Like what? Climate Change? Marriage equality? Perhaps black lives matter?
Provide an example.
These are all facts being left out for some odd reason.
They are not being left out. I know very well that the facts surrounding this could change and I have left myself open to changing my perspective if need be. I have not said this guys is a Right Wing nut, etc, etc. All I have said is that I would not be surprised if he is, the propaganda they spread would produce and outcome such as this and if it does end up being true, we need to finally talk about.
I will have to find the source, but there is also pieces that have police officers talking about comments he made, including about abortion and Obama. We will have to wait and see.
a reply to: introvert
The second category of domestic terrorists, left-wing groups, generally profess a revolutionary socialist doctrine and view themselves as protectors of the people against the “dehumanizing effects” of capitalism and imperialism. They aim to bring about change in the United States and believe that this change can be realized through revolution rather than through the established political process. From the 1960s to the 1980s, leftist-oriented extremist groups posed the most serious domestic terrorist threat to the United States. In the 1980s, however, the fortunes of the leftist movement changed dramatically as law enforcement dismantled the infrastructure of many of these groups, and the fall of communism in Eastern Europe deprived the movement of its ideological foundation and patronage.
Terrorist groups seeking to secure full Puerto Rican independence from the United States through violent means represent one of the remaining active vestiges of left-wing terrorism. While these groups believe that bombings alone will not result in change, they view these acts of terrorism as a means by which to draw attention to their desire for independence. During the 1970s and 1980s numerous leftist groups, including extremist Puerto Rican separatist groups such as the armed forces for Puerto Rican National Liberation (FALN—Fuerzas Armadas de Liberacion Nacional Puertorriquena), carried out bombings on the U.S. mainland, primarily in and around New York City. However, just as the leftist threat in general declined dramatically throughout the 1990s, the threat posed by Puerto Rican extremist groups to mainland U.S. communities decreased during the past decade.
Acts of terrorism continue to be perpetrated, however, by violent separatists in Puerto Rico. As noted, three acts of terrorism and one suspected act of terrorism have taken place in various Puerto Rican locales during the past four years. These acts (including the March 31, 1998 bombing of a superaquaduct project in Arecibo, the bombings of bank offices in Rio Piedras and Santa Isabel in June 1998, and the bombing of a highway in Hato Rey in 1999) remain under investigation. The extremist Puerto Rican separatist group, Los Macheteros, is suspected in each of these attacks. The FBI has not recorded any acts of terrorism in Puerto Rico since 1999.
Anarchists and extremist socialist groups—many of which, such as the workers’ world party, reclaim the streets, and carnival against capitalism, have an international presence—at times also represent a potential threat in the United States. For example, anarchists, operating individually and in groups, caused much of the damage during the 1999 WTO ministerial meeting in Seattle.The third category of domestic terrorism, special interest terrorism differs from traditional right-wing and left-wing terrorism in that extremist special interest groups seek to resolve specific issues, rather than effect widespread political change. Special interest extremists continue to conduct acts of politically motivated violence to force segments of society, including the general public, to change attitudes about issues considered important to their causes. These groups occupy the extreme fringes of animal rights, pro-life, environmental, anti-nuclear, and other movements. Some special interest extremists—most notably within the animal rights and environmental movements—have turned increasingly toward vandalism and terrorist activity in attempts to further their causes.
In recent years, the Animal Liberation Front (ALF)—an extremist animal rights movement—has become one of the most active extremist elements in the United States. Despite the destructive aspects of ALF’s operations, its operational philosophy discourages acts that harm “any animal, human and nonhuman.” Animal rights groups in the United States, including ALF, have generally adhered to this mandate. A distinct but related group, the Earth Liberation Front (ELF), claimed responsibility for the arson fires set at a Vail (Colorado) ski resort in October 1998, which caused 12 million dollars in damages. This incident remains under investigation. Seven terrorist incidents occurring in the United States during 2000 have been attributed to either ALF or ELF. Several additional acts committed during 2001 are currently being reviewed for possible designation as terrorist incidents.
www.fbi.gov...
The second category of domestic terrorists, left-wing groups, generally profess a revolutionary socialist doctrine and view themselves as protectors of the people against the “dehumanizing effects” of capitalism and imperialism. They aim to bring about change in the United States and believe that this change can be realized through revolution rather than through the established political process. From the 1960s to the 1980s, leftist-oriented extremist groups posed the most serious domestic terrorist threat to the United States. In the 1980s, however, the fortunes of the leftist movement changed dramatically as law enforcement dismantled the infrastructure of many of these groups, and the fall of communism in Eastern Europe deprived the movement of its ideological foundation and patronage.
Terrorist groups seeking to secure full Puerto Rican independence from the United States through violent means represent one of the remaining active vestiges of left-wing terrorism. While these groups believe that bombings alone will not result in change, they view these acts of terrorism as a means by which to draw attention to their desire for independence. During the 1970s and 1980s numerous leftist groups, including extremist Puerto Rican separatist groups such as the armed forces for Puerto Rican National Liberation (FALN—Fuerzas Armadas de Liberacion Nacional Puertorriquena), carried out bombings on the U.S. mainland, primarily in and around New York City. However, just as the leftist threat in general declined dramatically throughout the 1990s, the threat posed by Puerto Rican extremist groups to mainland U.S. communities decreased during the past decade.
Acts of terrorism continue to be perpetrated, however, by violent separatists in Puerto Rico. As noted, three acts of terrorism and one suspected act of terrorism have taken place in various Puerto Rican locales during the past four years. These acts (including the March 31, 1998 bombing of a superaquaduct project in Arecibo, the bombings of bank offices in Rio Piedras and Santa Isabel in June 1998, and the bombing of a highway in Hato Rey in 1999) remain under investigation. The extremist Puerto Rican separatist group, Los Macheteros, is suspected in each of these attacks. The FBI has not recorded any acts of terrorism in Puerto Rico since 1999.
Anarchists and extremist socialist groups—many of which, such as the workers’ world party, reclaim the streets, and carnival against capitalism, have an international presence—at times also represent a potential threat in the United States. For example, anarchists, operating individually and in groups, caused much of the damage during the 1999 WTO ministerial meeting in Seattle.The third category of domestic terrorism, special interest terrorism differs from traditional right-wing and left-wing terrorism in that extremist special interest groups seek to resolve specific issues, rather than effect widespread political change. Special interest extremists continue to conduct acts of politically motivated violence to force segments of society, including the general public, to change attitudes about issues considered important to their causes. These groups occupy the extreme fringes of animal rights, pro-life, environmental, anti-nuclear, and other movements. Some special interest extremists—most notably within the animal rights and environmental movements—have turned increasingly toward vandalism and terrorist activity in attempts to further their causes.
In recent years, the Animal Liberation Front (ALF)—an extremist animal rights movement—has become one of the most active extremist elements in the United States. Despite the destructive aspects of ALF’s operations, its operational philosophy discourages acts that harm “any animal, human and nonhuman.” Animal rights groups in the United States, including ALF, have generally adhered to this mandate. A distinct but related group, the Earth Liberation Front (ELF), claimed responsibility for the arson fires set at a Vail (Colorado) ski resort in October 1998, which caused 12 million dollars in damages. This incident remains under investigation. Seven terrorist incidents occurring in the United States during 2000 have been attributed to either ALF or ELF. Several additional acts committed during 2001 are currently being reviewed for possible designation as terrorist incidents.
www.fbi.gov...
a reply to: CB328
I think THIS would suffice.
www.snopes.com...
Good thing they obeyed the law and let him out this time MANY aren't released and get committed either by design or convienience,some end up in places like that facility in Chicago.
The news doesn't cover these and you CAN be held indefinately on terrorism charges.
www.washingtonsblog.com...
I think THIS would suffice.
www.snopes.com...
Good thing they obeyed the law and let him out this time MANY aren't released and get committed either by design or convienience,some end up in places like that facility in Chicago.
The news doesn't cover these and you CAN be held indefinately on terrorism charges.
www.washingtonsblog.com...
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30-11-2015 by cavtrooper7 because: (no reason given)
edit on 30-11-2015 by cavtrooper7 because: (no reason given)
originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: introvert
I don't know about you Introvert, but I feel much better knowing that there a lot "left wing terrorists groups". Makes what Dear excusable cause they do it too. I like that stand /s.
That's what I don't understand. Sure, there may be some nutty Left Wingers out there saving trees and whales, but how does that justify what is brewing on the extreme Right?
It's like sticking your head in the sand because you don't want to deal with the problem.
a reply to: introvert
What is your "brewing" issue?
What spacific group are you referring to?
ALL gun owners, Oath Keepers or Christians?
Perhaps owners of military style semi autos?
WHOM do you speak here?
Crazy isn't covered,it isn't a quantifiable subject to measure any demographic from,and they are so few and so unskilled as to be a minor issue any way nationally.
They just hurt us all when they do this ignorant crap.
What is your "brewing" issue?
What spacific group are you referring to?
ALL gun owners, Oath Keepers or Christians?
Perhaps owners of military style semi autos?
WHOM do you speak here?
Crazy isn't covered,it isn't a quantifiable subject to measure any demographic from,and they are so few and so unskilled as to be a minor issue any way nationally.
They just hurt us all when they do this ignorant crap.
edit on 30-11-2015 by cavtrooper7 because: (no reason given)
a reply to: cavtrooper7
Right Wing propaganda.
I am referring to those on the Right that suck up the propaganda from the numerous outlets and believe it to be 100% true. Then they regurgitate the propaganda ad nauseum on web forums and in discussions.
You know exactly what I'm talking about and it should be people on the Right that fight against it the most because it is they who are labeled crazy along side their nutty comrades.
We should leave gun ownership out of this as it really has nothing to do with my point. I am a legal firearm owner and pro-2nd amendment.
Exactly. Perhaps you should have a talk with them and tell them to think objectively, and don;t listen to Fox News, WND or Right Wing radio.
What is your "brewing" issue?
Right Wing propaganda.
What spacific group are you referring to?
ALL gun owners, Oath Keepers or Christians?
I am referring to those on the Right that suck up the propaganda from the numerous outlets and believe it to be 100% true. Then they regurgitate the propaganda ad nauseum on web forums and in discussions.
You know exactly what I'm talking about and it should be people on the Right that fight against it the most because it is they who are labeled crazy along side their nutty comrades.
We should leave gun ownership out of this as it really has nothing to do with my point. I am a legal firearm owner and pro-2nd amendment.
They just hurt us all when they do this ignorant crap.
Exactly. Perhaps you should have a talk with them and tell them to think objectively, and don;t listen to Fox News, WND or Right Wing radio.
a reply to: introvert
OK, there is no RIGHT wing issue that is false about guns that is backing killers.
SO that isn't it
Politics is politics,we are talking firearms and why we have them.
As I'm 55 I think we are under siege because of the overall information I know.
I don't listen to radio accept for Coast to Coast and rock,My cable is down so nothing there.
I still know people in the field they tell me thngs they hear.
OK, there is no RIGHT wing issue that is false about guns that is backing killers.
SO that isn't it
Politics is politics,we are talking firearms and why we have them.
As I'm 55 I think we are under siege because of the overall information I know.
I don't listen to radio accept for Coast to Coast and rock,My cable is down so nothing there.
I still know people in the field they tell me thngs they hear.
a reply to: cavtrooper7
I've said nothing about firearms in this discussion, nor do I wish to. Perhaps you have me confused with another member.
Politics is politics,we are talking firearms and why we have them.
I've said nothing about firearms in this discussion, nor do I wish to. Perhaps you have me confused with another member.
originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: introvert
SIGH...there is nothing nor any group to blame but the nut ball himself ,maybe medications...
I agree. Only he can be held responsible for his actions.
But I believe we also need to talk about propaganda he may have been exposed to and how it may have had as much of an effect as any medication he may have been on.
As we know from history, propaganda can be very dangerous to the mind.
I too feel cornered by the country's direction and have FAR better skills at my disposal but what would harming innocent people fix?
Mainsteam IS propaganda.it always HAS been.
Mainsteam IS propaganda.it always HAS been.
a reply to: CB328
The U.S. Census Bureau currently estimates the country's population to be 322,331,000. In 2012 there were 4.7 murders per 100,000 persons in the United States, a 54% decline from the modern peak of 10.2 in 1980. By my math that is a total of about 15,150 murders total in the US in 2012. You saying that 10 of thousands die due to firearms each year? Where did you pull that BS number from? You are lying for effect in the conversation. Sensationalization and obufication of the truth is your strong suite it seems to me.
Tens of thousands of people are killed with guns each year in this country
The U.S. Census Bureau currently estimates the country's population to be 322,331,000. In 2012 there were 4.7 murders per 100,000 persons in the United States, a 54% decline from the modern peak of 10.2 in 1980. By my math that is a total of about 15,150 murders total in the US in 2012. You saying that 10 of thousands die due to firearms each year? Where did you pull that BS number from? You are lying for effect in the conversation. Sensationalization and obufication of the truth is your strong suite it seems to me.
a reply to: introvert
No one lit this nut ball's fuse but him unless he was the subject of some sort of a modern ultra program or the like. If he was subjected to conditioning and then triggered perhaps that was the case.To suggest opinions that do not toe the administration's line are to blame is using a crisis as a tool of influence. It is a subterfuge.
No one lit this nut ball's fuse but him unless he was the subject of some sort of a modern ultra program or the like. If he was subjected to conditioning and then triggered perhaps that was the case.To suggest opinions that do not toe the administration's line are to blame is using a crisis as a tool of influence. It is a subterfuge.
There is a pattern to this and you have described it well. There are many people who are somewhat similar in their beliefs and lifestyle who pose no
threat to anyone, however. The key seems to be an isolation from any meaningful contact with others, and a downwards spiral into insanity.
a reply to: Abysha
a reply to: Abysha
They definitely are trying to repaint this guy to look a certain way, a way they find more politically useful and a better profile they can exploit.
I'm ignoring activist groups at this point as well as national media and their filtered reports. The facts are there but they'll have to be dug up by
individuals or the local press. Pravda, anyone? That's what this is becoming.
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