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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Lazarus Short
Hell is also an invention post bible. This one doesn't even show up in the NT as well as the OT. The Bible does make mention of Gehenna and the pit of flame, but Gehenna is meant to just me underground and the pit of flame is for the beast of Revelation and not for humans.
originally posted by: Layaly
a reply to: Learningman
if God created all who created God
aren't we part of it all
I like the replies here a lot
lovely thread
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: scorpio84
Satan really doesn't have a part in the Creation account because he wasn't invented until Christianity was invented (the NT), though that hasn't prevented Christians from trying to retcon him into older biblical tales.
originally posted by: GENERAL EYES
a reply to: Lazarus Short
You uh....are aware of the oral tradition and the use of storytelling around ancient tribal campfires to pass the time.
Amazing, so many focus on one singular interpretation of this singular account of God's Creation and Manifestations, and then fight so vigilantly with the barbarism they do defending their opinions. As if just casual conversation was a sin for some reason in their fettered minds, and they cannot abide and turn to the thought of war at every opportunity, however minor or slight.
I weep for you, truly....I do.
So much beauty in this world and you're arguing over wordplay and minor semantics as if to prove yourself.
Ask yourself sometime in the dark dead of your night - who exactly are you trying to convince here? Mere mortals? Or yourself? Perhaps you feel called upon to be the Hand of God, as if the New Testament brought you no comfort in a jaded and suffered upon mind.
Your overtly harsh methodology leaves me only sad and speechless....another in a long line of offhand literalist who worship the printed word itself like a idolatrous image, and fail to comprehend any of the higher precepts contained in the work in question.
But hey, maybe you just like fighting others because you can't overcome your own internal dissociation.
Meh. Whatever.
After all, who am I to judge?
Peace be with you....and your spirit...should you deign to allow such to happen.
I know all too well it is difficult to let things go, but practice makes perfect.
Good day, Sir.
Even the Lake of Fire must give up its dead, just as the sea did, when death itself is abolished. As I always say, after Death and Hell [the grave, actually] are cast into the LoF, how can anyone still be dead and/or in Hell? Further, if God is to become All in all, how can anyone still be dead and/or in Hell? No Hell believer has yet to give me an answer.
The rest of what you say about hell, sheol, and the LoF strikes me as some theo-illogical fantasy. I cannot even begin to deal with it. Our interpretations of the same Scriptures are very far apart. Agree to disagree? Lastly, WHY do you make out my comments on wordplay in the worst possible light? I do like wordplay but that does not enter into my interpretation of Scripture. I’m going to throw it right back at you as something to think over: The misunderstanding of foundational prirciples is very dangerous and can lead to many different understandings and assumptions of the same incident.
The rest of what you say about hell, sheol, and the LoF strikes me as some theo-illogical fantasy. I cannot even begin to deal with it. Our interpretations of the same Scriptures are very far apart. Agree to disagree? Lastly, WHY do you make out my comments on wordplay in the worst possible light? I do like wordplay but that does not enter into my interpretation of Scripture. I’m going to throw it right back at you as something to think over: The misunderstanding of foundational prirciples is very dangerous and can lead to many different understandings and assumptions of the same incident.
originally posted by: Seede
One thing about theology is that you could be right and i could be wrong. I appreciate that you are very sensible and a good debater.
Maybe I am not clear by the words "Word Play"-- Could you explain what you mean by " I do like wordplay but that does not enter into my interpretation of Scripture?" That caught my eye and thought then that perhaps we are not communicating.
The lake of fire theology and the New Jerusalem philosophy was first introduced to the Hebrews in the last two chapters of Isaiah 65 and 66. The Apostle John then confirms both the lake of fire and the New Jerusalem in his writing of The Revelation from Christ Jesus to the established churches of the Christian Jews. There are some who will only accept certain letters of the NT and disregard some others. Is that your premise?
I went back and skimmed the chapters you mentioned, and had read them recently. Over and over, repeated like Solomon's proverbs, is God speaking of the new and remade Kingdom/New Jerusalem. I see this happening, not thru a destructive fire, but through a refining fire, as God often describes Himself in terms of a refiner's fire and/or as fuller's soap. Refining and cleansing. There goes your wood, hay, and stubble - what's left is made white as snow.