Islam Call To Prayer In America

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
One time I was playing the song Gortoz a Ran...

Four words.

Art of the saber.

a reply to: sirlancelot

I am writing to you now from Dearborn Mi. There is no city IN Hamtramak. It is a city all itself within Detroit.

As well, I work for the city of Dearborn, I spend each day in and out of all muslim neighborhoods...entirely muslim. Once in 6 months have I heard the noontime call to prayer, and additionally...I live within walking distance of the largest Mosque in America. I open my door? I hear nothing. Ever.

These mosques exist primarily in all muslim neighborhoods where the older families, some Polish, others of all nationalities, have moved on and out and have been filled now with immigrating middle eastern families from all locations.

Therefore, the point is...it is a minority of non-muslims in the neighborhoods of Mosques. Believe me, each day, I am sometimes the only english speaking American in those areas.

So the sound from these calls to prayer are not heard by even a small percentage of the population near them...as mosques are built ONLY where the majority of citizens are middle eastern.

The noise law in Michigan says one can raise all the noise you want until 11:00 p.m. everyday, and everyone has to abide by that. The offended people wanting to sleep, and the partiers who have to turn it down at that time.

So, most of your op is pointless.

MS
EMT/ERT
Advanced Disaster Life Support
Wayne County, Mi

a reply to: mysterioustranger

Isn't it amazing how boring the truth is? It's so much more exciting to make all kinds of claims about how "outsiders" are taking over our country!

Thank you for setting things straight. Not that it will matter to most.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

His whole post illustrates how middle eastern families are becoming the majority in many neighborhoods, and therefor it is a non-issue because there are no non-Muslims around to hear it. Thanks for setting things straight indeed.

... except of course that the mysterioustranger is apparently "non-Muslim" and they don't hear the incessant Calls being whined about here by people who have never been to Dearborn or anywhere else they "had to hear" the Call to Prayer ... unless of course hearing is related to one's ethnic background/religion as well.

We really are living in two different worlds these days.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

It means "I'm waiting."

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
a reply to: mysterioustranger

Isn't it amazing how boring the truth is?

It's so much more exciting to make all kinds of claims about how "outsiders" are taking over our country!

Thank you for setting things straight. Not that it will matter to most.

I see you were correct in your assessment of what eye-witness testimony from 11/22/2015 would mean, at least, in part for some.

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So, let's review:

The ordinance was passed in 2004 by a majority vote of the people in the community;

There have apparently been few complaints since around 2009 (at least as recorded on the internet);

The "majority Muslim" council was elected 16 days ago, rather than 11 years ago;

The police chief in the suburb stated clearly in the article I linked earlier that he had no problems and that when there were "complaints" he'd simply go to the mosque in question and ask them to turn the volume down a bit ...

Someone very familiar with the area in question who lives there has stated that there are no incessant Calls to Prayer.

None of this is comparable to Christian Nativity Scenes being kept off public lands ... or with any of the other examples of "a War on Christmas/Christians/Christianity" that some are trying to argue for here.

You heard it here first folks. Out of sight— or in this case hearing—out of mind.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

originally posted by: LittleByLittle

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
Why don't you pray for the disturbance to stop...

If someone from the higher levels did send you a telepathic message to stop would you follow it?

I answered you telepathically.

Hahaha, I heard it. Naughty, Charlie.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
You heard it here first folks. Out of sight— or in this case hearing—out of mind.

What's your point, please?

Very little to none of what the OP argued is accurate.

There are no incessant Calls to Prayer in Dearborn or other Detroit suburbs.

Even if there were, no special allowances have been made by any municipality to allow for the Calls to Prayer.

Do you have a point that has anything to do with the ostensible topic here, please?

I'm very curious.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

His whole post illustrates how middle eastern families are becoming the majority in many neighborhoods, and therefor it is a non-issue because there are no non-Muslims around to hear it. Thanks for setting things straight indeed.

And so what if some neighborhoods are becoming majority whatever? That always happens when we get waves of immigrants.

They settle in neighborhoods where they speak the same language, eat the same food, where there are people around from home. And it makes the transition easier and it makes them less homesick and they help each other.

And eventually some, usually the younger, venture further into the world and that's the way it goes...and has been going since this country began.

Is this something to fear?

a reply to: Gryphon66

I am responding to the video. If that is not Dearborn Michigan, then I am mistaken. But from what it is telling me, "God is great" and we "recognize no god but Allan" is being played over loudspeakers. Do you not find that ridiculous?

originally posted by: Kapusta
a reply to: sirlancelot

So you have objection to people being called to pray to god?

Yes, if I pay taxes, my township has a noise/disturbing of the peace ordinance. The local Catholic church's Polish priest should call the Catholics to church five times a day with a bullhorn, I guaranty the Muslims and libs would be bitching in no time.

originally posted by: ~Lucidity

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

His whole post illustrates how middle eastern families are becoming the majority in many neighborhoods, and therefor it is a non-issue because there are no non-Muslims around to hear it. Thanks for setting things straight indeed.

And so what if some neighborhoods are becoming majority whatever? That always happens when we get waves of immigrants.

They settle in neighborhoods where they speak the same language, eat the same food, where there are people around from home. And it makes the transition easier and it makes them less homesick and they help each other.

And eventually some, usually the younger, venture further into the world and that's the way it goes...and has been going since this country began.

Is this something to fear?

Not at all.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Okay. Just checking.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Gryphon66

I am responding to the video. If that is not Dearborn Michigan, then I am mistaken. But from what it is telling me, "God is great" and we "recognize no god but Allan" is being played over loudspeakers. Do you not find that ridiculous?

Come now, you responded to Benevolent Heretic's response to mysterioustranger. Let's at least be honest a few posts away.

Do I personally find it ridiculous? Of course I do.

Do I want to take away people's religious freedom? Of course I don't.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Just to make sure, you're fine with hearing "God is great" or "There is no God but Allan" being played over loudspeakers.

a reply to: UnBreakable

I'm sure you may not have read through the thread, but the facts were posted earlier, that back in 2004, when the matter actually, you know, happened ... the noise ordinance in the area would have allowed the mosques to Call as they wished.

The Muslims in the community that requested the "allowance" were doing so to "be good neighbors" according to the statements.

So, your stated prejudice toward "Muslims and libs" not withstanding ... there was not and is not an issue here as described.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Gryphon66

Just to make sure, you're fine with hearing "God is great" or "There is no God but Allan" being played over loudspeakers.

Is there a reason you're saying "There is no God but Allan"? Who's Allan?

In fact, I stated the exact opposite above several times. I would not be "fine" with it if I lived there, but I don't.

Neither does OP. Presumably neither do you.

Mysterioustranger does, and stated clearly that this was not the incessant noise being cried about here.

EDIT: If I lived there, and it bothered me on a "disturbance of the peace" basis, I would act accordingly within the law.

So again, what's your point?

a reply to: Gryphon66

That's what is in the "call to prayer". They are not simply singing sounds. It's no difference than blasting the Lord's Prayer through loud speakers.

I don't live in Mecca, but that doesn't mean I am not against the public beheadings of apostates.