Islam Call To Prayer In America

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: UnBreakable
sure you may not have read through the thread, but the facts were posted earlier, that back in 2004, when the matter actually, you know, happened ... the noise ordinance in the area would have allowed the mosques to Call as they wished.

The Muslims in the community that requested the "allowance" were doing so to "be good neighbors" according to the statements.

So, your stated prejudice toward "Muslims and libs" not withstanding ... there was not and is not an issue here as described.

I read the thread. And if you bothered to read mine, I said "my" township, ie where I reside. Your not even allowed to start a lawn mower before 9 AM. Since the first call to prayer is from dawn until just before sunrise, it wouldn't fly here. Thankfully there will never be a mosque here. If the remaining non-Muslim residents of Hamtramck, MI are ok with it, more power to them.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Gryphon66

That's what is in the "call to prayer". They are not simply singing sounds. It's no difference than blasting the Lord's Prayer through loud speakers.

I don't live in Mecca, but that doesn't mean I am not against the public beheadings of apostates.

Yes, but is it what you would hear were you on the street in Dearborn? Are you fluent in Arabic? If not, you'd hear Arabic "singing sounds", now wouldn't you?

Your red herring about Mecca and being against beheading are fanciful but not related to the topic.

The Call to Prayer is not about beheading. To attempt conflate the two is rather silly, don't you think?

a reply to: UnBreakable

I did read your post.

Pardon me for thinking it had something to do with the topic at hand.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: UnBreakable

I did read your post.

Pardon me for thinking it had something to do with the topic at hand.

........and pardon me for thinking you some semblance of comprehension skills.

a reply to: Kapusta

Absolutely not. Why should a group get to blast a call to prayer over a town?? You aren't oppressing them from practicing their faith so why do they feel a need to blast it over loud speaker when we are an integrated society.

You don't hear any other group using a loud speaker. I would head into that mosque and rip that speaker out of the wall and get arrested.

Put an app on your phone that tells you when its time to prey like you said but don't force me to hear call to prayer in any american town.

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: UnBreakable

I did read your post.

Pardon me for thinking it had something to do with the topic at hand.

........and pardon me for thinking you some semblance of comprehension skills.

LOL ... that's a real zinger there, boy howdy let me tell you, yessir-ee-bob.

Here's the thing, while we're discussing "comprehension." The thread is about some fairly specific misrepresentations regarding events in two Michigan cities related to the Muslim Call to Prayer, stretching over 11 years. OP misrepresented several key facts, and had their points, such as they were, decimated. In you come to make a sideways, off-topic comment about what might happen in your mosque-free town if a Catholic Priest went out and started "calling the faithful to prayer over a bullhorn" ... when of course, that's not and never has been a facet of Roman Catholicism except maybe on Bingo night after a few nips of the Communion Wine, maybe.

You apparently went all that way to perform mundane political baiting regarding what you imagine that "libs and Muslims" would do in this imaginary scenario you've designed ... congratulations!

originally posted by: sirlancelot

originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: sirlancelot

Most cities and towns in America have sound ordinances yet in these towns they where changed to allow for the call to prayer.

Why would they have to do this when it's ok for churches to clang bells early on Sunday mornings? All religious organizations have the right to call their people to their place of worship.

Firstly perhaps churches shouldnt be able to?!?! Secondly there is a big distinction from bells and words used in the adhan. there is also a big distinction in the how often said church bells go off and the 5x a day the adhan is player (starting at 6am ending at 10pm) Are you really trying to say they are the same?

Of course they are them same. If Muslims were to call their followers the same way as Christians would you be complaining about it? Also seeing how most Americans aren't fluent in Arabic then the words in the Muslims call to prayer is irrelevant.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

So churches can blast the lords prayer everyday 5 times a day. I feel like Gryphon66 would only have a problem with that.

I would be against any religion blasting anything out of a loud speaker

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

His whole post illustrates how middle eastern families are becoming the majority in many neighborhoods, and therefor it is a non-issue because there are no non-Muslims around to hear it. Thanks for setting things straight indeed.

You find the same thing with other races and religions. Humans are herd animals and we tend to stick with the herd that fits us best.

a reply to: buster2010

I live in the bible belt how do Christians call their followers? not people acting independently.

Im aware of bells btw

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
It means "I'm waiting."

It also means killer fan-made light saber fight:

originally posted by: Kapusta
a reply to: sirlancelot

So you have objection to people being called to pray to god?

Yep....if you are going to broadcast it all over the public square.....
And who says allah is God.....???
Would god pick a dude to be his prophet who consummates marriages with 7 year old children???
Maybe God loves pedophilic sociopathic warlords...I dunno....but I'm gonna go with "God" not needing audio speakers and not being into banging children...

-Christosterone

originally posted by: Christosterone
Maybe God loves pedophilic sociopathic warlords...

Maybe. Or maybe he likes to tell people to slaughter their children and just before they follow his commands he yells, 'Psyche!', and informs them it was just a test to see if they loved him.

Those books have so many awesome stories...

a reply to: DBCowboy

'm sure anyone enterprising could create an app (calling people to prayer) so no one would get upset.

Gasp! Yeah!

So - the Christian Evangelicals have already done that.
There's an "app" for that - a call to prayer comes in via text at 7:14 every day, am and pm.

See www.abovetopsecret.com...&mem=BuzzyWigs

a reply to: Christosterone

Plenty of barbaric stuff in the Bible old testament, your point is moot.
You should get over yourself fella, I get woken up every Sunday by annoying bells from the Anglican church, if they can be noisy religious types then I extend the right to any other religion. Especially if I live in an area where the majority practice that particular religion.
I've lived on Islamic islands in my life and to be honest I preferred the call to prayer to the annoying Christian bell ringing lol

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
So - the Christian Evangelicals have already done that.
There's an "app" for that - a call to prayer comes in via text at 7:14 every day, am and pm.

Does it automatically tithe your PayPal account as well?

Maybe we can patent that and use the proceeds for beer money.

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: sirlancelot

originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: sirlancelot

Most cities and towns in America have sound ordinances yet in these towns they where changed to allow for the call to prayer.

Why would they have to do this when it's ok for churches to clang bells early on Sunday mornings? All religious organizations have the right to call their people to their place of worship.

Firstly perhaps churches shouldnt be able to?!?! Secondly there is a big distinction from bells and words used in the adhan. there is also a big distinction in the how often said church bells go off and the 5x a day the adhan is player (starting at 6am ending at 10pm) Are you really trying to say they are the same?

Of course they are them same. If Muslims were to call their followers the same way as Christians would you be complaining about it? Also seeing how most Americans aren't fluent in Arabic then the words in the Muslims call to prayer is irrelevant.

I live in north Texas....public speakers are for one thing...TORNADOS!!!
I don't care which one of the magic being in the sky folk it is, NONE should be allowed to get on speakers and pester me to pray...

-Christosterone

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Hey, that'd be keen as koolaid!!

a reply to: grainofsand

bells or someone singing in Arabic about how their god is the only god.... really? The call to prayer is everyday 5 times a day

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: sirlancelot

originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: sirlancelot

Most cities and towns in America have sound ordinances yet in these towns they where changed to allow for the call to prayer.

Why would they have to do this when it's ok for churches to clang bells early on Sunday mornings? All religious organizations have the right to call their people to their place of worship.

Firstly perhaps churches shouldnt be able to?!?! Secondly there is a big distinction from bells and words used in the adhan. there is also a big distinction in the how often said church bells go off and the 5x a day the adhan is player (starting at 6am ending at 10pm) Are you really trying to say they are the same?

Of course they are them same. If Muslims were to call their followers the same way as Christians would you be complaining about it? Also seeing how most Americans aren't fluent in Arabic then the words in the Muslims call to prayer is irrelevant.

Give me a break! your logic makes no sense as Christians don't blast the lords prayer or any other christian sounds everyday 5x a day! Ok so just cause I cant understand the words means it doesn't disturb people at 6 am in morning? People cant blast bass in their cars at 6 am in morning without out disdain or atleast a ticket. Why should this be any different? It about assimilating and respecting those around you and apparently some Mosque in the area don't need an amplified Adhan and this one does. Whether it's one or all it still is an issue for me. I don't have to live there for it to be an issue because if it happens there it will happen everywhere at some possibly. If we aer going to coexist then we all need to respect the things we don;t like about each other! I have no problem with muslims until they try to project their faith on me or others that don't want to hear it! It's pretty simple!