Teacher Fired for Calling 6-yr-old “Transgender Boy” Student a Girl

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
I believe some children as young as 4 have been given sex-changing treatments.

Okay, you've just lost your credibility and demonstrated you have no real expertise in this field. You've said a few things I mostly agree with but have now gone too far. Your "belief" is pure hooey and has no basis in fact nor is it anywhere near WPATH's Standards of Care. Beyond transitioning socially, just what kind of "treatment" would be indicated for a child of that age?

Sorry, this is a fallacy.

Ludicrous. A 6 year old can't decide on breakfast, let alone gender. Do people realise this can ruin a child's life? They can't make that decision yet. Many adults are unable to make that decision. To encourage this at such a young age is tantamount to child abuse, IMO.

Kids should be wondering whether to use the blue crayon or the red crayon. Not, am I a boy or a girl? What a reckless attitude towards your own child's development. Let her make that decision when she is old enough to understand the implications. For now, she should be able to enjoy her childhood. Save the emotional turmoil for when and if she decides to undergo such a transformation. A choice she is not ready for. Pressure she is not ready for.

Her parents should know better.

originally posted by: SlowNail
Ludicrous. A 6 year old can't decide on breakfast, let alone gender. Do people realise this can ruin a child's life? They can't make that decision yet. Many adults are unable to make that decision. To encourage this at such a young age is tantamount to child abuse, IMO.

Kids should be wondering whether to use the blue crayon or the red crayon. Not, am I a boy or a girl? What a reckless attitude towards your own child's development. Let her make that decision when she is old enough to understand the implications. For now, she should be able to enjoy her childhood. Save the emotional turmoil for when and if she decides to undergo such a transformation. A choice she is not ready for. Pressure she is not ready for.

Her parents should know better.

So, you jump into a subject you obviously know nothing about and have done zero research on.

But, we're suppose to take your word on it? Don't think so.

a reply to: SlowNail

You'll get fired for calling him a she ....

But great post , just between you,me and 6 billion other people .....

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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: Gryphon66

First of all a fallacious appeal to authority, particularly your own, is hardly convincing.

So your claim is that it does NOT typically go away?

Maybe you should have read the source so you do not look a fool. It was written by Dr Jack Drescher. He is an expert in the field of sexual orientation and identity, and worked on the DSM-5. Feel free to look him up and claim he is a tabloid expert.

BTW, I read your source, researched the guy and watched a video.

This guy commits to nothing.

He basically says anything is possible.

originally posted by: Freija

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
I believe some children as young as 4 have been given sex-changing treatments.

Okay, you've just lost your credibility and demonstrated you have no real expertise in this field. You've said a few things I mostly agree with but have now gone too far. Your "belief" is pure hooey and has no basis in fact nor is it anywhere near WPATH's Standards of Care. Beyond transitioning socially, just what kind of "treatment" would be indicated for a child of that age?

Sorry, this is a fallacy.

I really don't care what you think. You fools have fought me at every turn, going so far as to call something written by one of the leading experts in the field, who helped write the DSM-5 you tout with such high regard, as "tabloid" material.

The treatment iirc was preparing the child to receive puberty blocking drugs at the first sign of puberty. This is beyond simple treatments that left the question of the future to the future, it was in specific preparation for changing sex, creating an expectation for the child to live up to which is in my opinion completely wrong.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: Gryphon66

First of all a fallacious appeal to authority, particularly your own, is hardly convincing.

So your claim is that it does NOT typically go away?

Maybe you should have read the source so you do not look a fool. It was written by Dr Jack Drescher. He is an expert in the field of sexual orientation and identity, and worked on the DSM-5. Feel free to look him up and claim he is a tabloid expert.

BTW, I read your source, researched the guy and watched a video.

This guy commits to nothing.

He basically says anything is possible.

So you go from dismissing him as a quack, to now knowing he is an expert, and you simply don't like what the quote says, but can't dismiss it any longer so you ignore it instead.

a reply to: Annee

Yes, that's exactly what I did. I call that common sense.

Have you wondered why you had to do research to come to the conclusion that this is okay?

Maybe we should offer sex change operations to those 6months and up. Heck, why not from birth? I mean, if you have a boy, and you're not happy with it, inject some estrogen and have a sex change at will on the baby. Doesn't matter. No one knows better at that age anyway. Better yet, we're becoming familiar enough with genes that we can predetermine sex from conception. Let's let people choose then!

/sarcasm off

Good for the teacher. Hope they bankrupt the school district with their lawsuit.

a reply to: EternalSolace

Why wait til birth? Ultrasound tells us the sex early, so might as well get it while in development right?

/sarc duly noted

originally posted by: SlowNail
a reply to: Annee

Yes, that's exactly what I did. I call that common sense.

Have you wondered why you had to do research to come to the conclusion that this is okay?

Yes. Research --- reading facts, knowledge, real life experiences.

Oh wait --- I should just have an opinion from my back porch.

originally posted by: pirhanna
a reply to: deliberator

Why are so many sickos trying to gender warp,their children?? This is just common sense. No religion needed.

It is similar to Munchausen's Syndrome by Proxy. The parents are mentally ill so they destroy their children to get attention for themselves and to get gullible people to feel sorry for them.

a reply to: Annee

Yes, you should have your own opinion. If you need research to teach you what your opinion is of this, then how can a 6 year old make that call? Do you not think she deserves the time to do her own 'research'?

originally posted by: EternalSolace


Good for the teacher. Hope they bankrupt the school district with their lawsuit.

For what it's worth, it's a private corporation (and a day care).

Facts.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Good call. My statement stands for whomever made the stupid decision.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: Gryphon66

First of all a fallacious appeal to authority, particularly your own, is hardly convincing.

So your claim is that it does NOT typically go away?

Maybe you should have read the source so you do not look a fool. It was written by Dr Jack Drescher. He is an expert in the field of sexual orientation and identity, and worked on the DSM-5. Feel free to look him up and claim he is a tabloid expert.

Poor attempt to side-step. My claim is just what I said: you cannot appeal to your own "authority" and expect it to mean anything.

I'm not surprised you think that anything written in "The Torygraph" is a legitimate medical source. How interesting that your article is located conveniently on the first page of Google results for "Gender Identity Disorder" and "Expert."

I'm sure that's also the reason you're using discredited terminology and quoting an article written in 2012 (before the DSM was changed by consensus of actual psychiatric professionals in 2013) as your "authority."

I'll grant you though, your source does demonstrate more actual knowledge on the issue than you do:

For children whose gender dysphoria persists into adolescence, transition to the other sex when they reach adulthood is often the medical treatment of choice.

Doing so is rarely a decision made lightly and these individuals may become suicidal if refused transition. The adolescents and their families who elect to go this route are not… "tomboyish girls and sensitive, less stereotypically 'masculine' boys".

Not quite the trivial dismissal you're trying to twist the article into, is it?

In short, you're using outdated terminology, and citing your own psychiatric authority, for a statement that doesn't stand up to even the standards of evidence you presented in article you Googled.

Consistently calling other posters "fools" makes no difference.

originally posted by: SlowNail
a reply to: Annee

Yes, you should have your own opinion. If you need research to teach you what your opinion is of this, then how can a 6 year old make that call? Do you not think she deserves the time to do her own 'research'?

I think everyone, evey child should be encouraged to be who they are born to be. (Not talking about social behaviors).

I think we are born who we are. And age will not change a transgendered person.

originally posted by: EternalSolace
a reply to: Gryphon66

Good call. My statement stands for whomever made the stupid decision.

I'm sure it does.

I'm pointing out that you weren't responding to the actual case under discussion.

Also, if you had read what has been presented here, you'd know that the daycare company has stated clearly that this was an employment decision not based on the issue of the child under discussion, and further, that the attorney making a ridiculous "religious freedom" claim is a well-known Texas attorney who fights against trans* rights.

originally posted by: Metallicus

originally posted by: pirhanna
a reply to: deliberator

Why are so many sickos trying to gender warp,their children?? This is just common sense. No religion needed.

It is similar to Munchausen's Syndrome by Proxy. The parents are mentally ill so they destroy their children to get attention for themselves and to get gullible people to feel sorry for them.

The people here who are trying to "get attention" are the two individuals who were dismissed from their positions for reasons unrelated to the case of the young boy.

Bandying terminology about that doesn't apply (Munchausen's, really?) seems to be common in this thread.

The facts are that it's not about the gay dads, or the trans* child ... it's about an attorney looking for a case to draw national attention to what he views as his "cause" who has found two individuals with questionable work histories that he duped into letting him hang his little crusade on.

Facts.

a reply to: Gryphon66

You should Google Dr. Jack on video. He commits to nothing.

I was watching the one on Reparative therapy. He's like, "It might work for some, it might not work for others".

He's not saying there aren't transgender kids. He says that it's rare, which it is.