The Obvious Strategy of The Islamic State Is Working, You’re All Being Stupid

a reply to: Indigo5

I can sunscribe to that.

a reply to: Taggart

this is irrelevant... not every Nazi sympathizer wanted to murder jews...

In the end, I really wonder how people today would have handled the Nazis. "Don't be a bigot! Don't hate! War is not the answer! Western media is lying!"

originally posted by: 8fl0z
a reply to: TheBulk

People are scared of angry muslims. They allow themselves to be terrorized.

A terrorist only has as much power as you give them.

So, when innocent people are murdered, it's because they gave power to the terrorists, by being scared? The real problem with terrorists is not that they cause unfounded terror, like someone jumping out from behind a wall, wearing a clown mask. The problem is that they really do commit mass murders, any negative views on them are realistic and well founded.

originally posted by: Jobeycool
Radical muslims have been killing people before 9/11 attacks and are starting a caliphate now.No one is making them kill more people.
Germany just arrested 3 ISIS connections with Paris attack.People are so niave and gullible with the Islamic world and how dangerous it realy is.

So your entire argument is "You who don't agree with me are Naive and gullible"
What if, you are the one who is gullible? Swallowing up everything you see that confirms bias towards Muslims?
Is it not possible?
What if there are 1.4 Billion Muslims that aren't actually killing people (of all religions including muslim)?

Most level-headed people can see it's a small minority that absolutely need stamped out.

Then it comes down to -What do we do next? What do we do with the say 4th Generation Muslims in say UK?
Who was born in UK, who's father was born in UK, Who's Father was Born in UK? Dr's, Dentists, cab drivers,
Chef's, Teachers. Policeman.
I say we support them, marginalising them will only play right into the terrorists hands.

originally posted by: LeoStarchild
a reply to: Indigo5

You must be new around here..

This whole thread is a bait. My point is: Some people act like they are 'above it all' when they are not. We are told to be reapectful and tolerate Islam.. And at the same time..the same mouths try to take down Christianity. Its not hard to see..unless you are one of the mouths I speak of.

true that, and I would love to understand why

originally posted by: Freenrgy2
a reply to: LeoStarchild

I find it humorous that many wading into the religious tolerance issue with Islam in this thread are known atheists.

i don't get that either

originally posted by: SkepticOverlord
a reply to: combatmaster

All religions have fundamentalists extremist factions... what's the point?

The point is none of them are as dangerous today, here and now and tommorow as the Muslim Fundamentalist Extremist Factions.

a reply to: SkepticOverlord

Clearly the people of 'ISIS/ISIL/Daesh' are not Muslim. As a proud Muslim, one should always know that murder is totally prohibited in this fold of peace and tranquility which many aren't able to comprehend. These so called "Muslim" people try to go about their own false ideologies which go beyond the religion.

Beyond the shadow of doubt, Muslims don't even think about these misrepresentative thoughts let alone acts. Furthermore, this matter has nothing to do with religion at all. You don't have the right to blame Muslims as a whole just because one so called "Muslim" gets up from bed to destroy a city. What proof do you have that this act reciprocates one a of true Muslim?

Its Not about who is right or wrong. It is about Flags stars And ATS points.

a reply to: Dontworry

ok so your gonna say that ISIS isnt Muslim, than what r they? And im being sarcastic... TPTB are saying they are Muslim so you are entitled to your opinion, but history is going to call this a Muslim group.

a reply to: SkepticOverlord

I have read this and taken heed.....so please stop with the pop up sign at the bottom of the page. So....I like, "get it".


Thanks and high regards.

originally posted by: Dontworry
a reply to: SkepticOverlord

Clearly the people of 'ISIS/ISIL/Daesh' are not Muslim. As a proud Muslim, one should always know that murder is totally prohibited in this fold of peace and tranquility which many aren't able to comprehend. These so called "Muslim" people try to go about their own false ideologies which go beyond the religion.

Beyond the shadow of doubt, Muslims don't even think about these misrepresentative thoughts let alone acts. Furthermore, this matter has nothing to do with religion at all. You don't have the right to blame Muslims as a whole just because one so called "Muslim" gets up from bed to destroy a city. What proof do you have that this act reciprocates one a of true Muslim?

Dontworry, for what it's worth, I posted a link to this short YouTube video in another thread. In a discussion late last year with journalists, Putin made it clear these terrorists are really mercenaries who work for anyone who pays the most. That tells me the religious extremism theme is a cover, is false and is part of the huge psy-op. Peace.

Putin answers questions about IS

originally posted by: tonycodes
a reply to: Dontworry

ok so your gonna say that ISIS isnt Muslim, than what r they? And im being sarcastic... TPTB are saying they are Muslim so you are entitled to your opinion, but history is going to call this a Muslim group.

You said it, A Muslim GROUP
Not all Muslims, not Half of Muslims, Not even 0.1% of Muslims.
A Muslim group.

originally posted by: haman10

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: haman10

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: haman10
Some people try to justify their feelings towards muslims by saying that they do not hate us , but they are simply cautious about us .

Yay ! Thanks for that.

You see that guy over there? He's a muzzy . Be cautious. He might just blow up .

Sounds pretty much bigotry to me.

So if you're equating caution with bigotry, like the OP is equating bigotry with being stupid, then I'm unashamedly and admittedly a stupid bigot, a label I don't mind as bestowed on me by anonymous posters on a site that don't even know me. If being stupid and cautious means the preservation and safety of my loved ones, then label me all you want. Your opinions mean squat to me.

Funny you should talk about labelling , cause you labeled me with terrorism just because i'm a muslim and yet i'm the bad guy here as i called those who are "cautious" near me bigots .

It's exactly like saying : "i'm cautious near black people cause i want to protect my family" !! well boohoo ! you're a racist and there is no need to sugar coat it .

"I'm cautious near jews cause i wanna protect my family " thats exactly the same .

So don't turn this on me pal . it's not me calling you a bigot , it's you calling me a terrorist .

judging people based on religion , affiliation and race is the definition of bigotry to me .

i cannot tolerate people who are judgemental towards others due to their skin color , or the holy book they read . yep , i'll punch them right in the face where ever i see them .

So Muslims label non-believers as infidels, who should be converted or they are going to hell, and and worst killed? That's not labeling? That's not bigotry? You'd "punch them in the face"? Ah, the religion of peace showing it's true colors once again.

ALL abrahamic religions call non-believers as infidels . infidel basically means a non-believer .

you seem to be one confused fella. if i want to punch racists in the face , it makes me , Haman10 , aggressive towards racists . What does it have to do with my religion ?

"Ah, the religion of peace showing it's true colors once again."

thats THE most stupid thing i've heard in the past couple of days . i bet you guys punch each other all the time in philadelphia

Yes, I know what infidels are. Not all Abrahamic religions instruct followers to convert the nonbelievers, or establish a caliphate through violence (jihad). As for wanting to punch people in the face who don't share my views, sure I want to, but I follow the tennants of Christ who preached non-violence, unlike Mohammad. My spirituality is a part of who I am. I don't seperate the two as what UnBreakable wants to do and what my religion teaches.

originally posted by: SkepticOverlord

originally posted by: StallionDuck
How many times can I say it... Those people are NOT Christians! They're not Christians unless they follow the teachings and ways of Christ.

But they believe they are Christians, and believe they are following the teachings of Christ, and the Word of God.

Just as ISIS believe they are true Muslims, and believe they are following the teachings of Mohamed.

Just like a lot of people today call themselves "Christian" and are not. I suppose it's true with muslim as well, but I'm no muslim scholar like yourself. I can't comment on what I do not understand.

If, in your point of view, it's personally subjective as to whether another person is a true Christian or not, then the same metric must be applied to all religions. Thereby, it can be accurate to consider that radical followers of Weaponized Islam are not true Muslims. And by extension, Muslims should not be demonized just as Christians should not be demonized.

Again, you staple with a focus on negative so called "Christian" atrocities. That's a really good misdirection,

It's not a misdirection, it's context.

My whole point in responding to you is DONT focus on one group when all this times, this issue has been going on with every group here and you don't seem to stand against it.

Don't presume a certain stance based on one thread from someone who's often too busy with other affairs to post as much as he'd like.

There is a difference between crazy people believing they are following the ways of Christ, and then doing something completely opposite, and Muslims following the words of the Quran, and being exactly right about what the Quran says, NOT doing the opposite, not misinterpreting. Anyone can say "I'm doing this in the name of_______ religion" but were their actions clearly stated in the Bible of that religion, or not?

originally posted by: Kandinsky
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

We're living through dangerous times and it truly feels like there are clouds approaching. So much hatred, scorn and division in this world and all passed around like a chicken pox party on the internet.

It isn't a defining feature of ATS imho. There's more than in the past and I don't know why exactly - dozens of reasons. It's time for moderate people to raise their voices so we don't all become extremists.

You should always have a place here BH. You're a stalwart voice of moderation and sanity. The Times we're on depend on people like you.

I could write more because it's close to my heart. Unfortunately I'm on the fone and don't enjoy writing on it.

Do you think maybe all these Islamic radical Muslims have something to do with hatred against Muslims? After Muslims in Texas tried to murder people over drawings of Mohamed, the so called moderates marched and protested the drawings. DO you think that sort of behavior might have something to do with people's feelings towards Islam?

a reply to: Spiramirabilis

In this thread I am posting my opinion of a situation already stated by the OP on an ongoing issue, due to the nature of the sentiments of those that feel outraged by the massacre by a terrorist act of the group call ISIS in France I have taken the choice to abstain on posting on threads that are on the topic of terrorism, radical Islam, Muslim and such.

I had and Opinion on the topic of this thread and that will be the only issue I will discuss.

I am not your enemy.

originally posted by: 222mockingbirdlane

originally posted by: SkepticOverlord

originally posted by: StallionDuck
How many times can I say it... Those people are NOT Christians! They're not Christians unless they follow the teachings and ways of Christ.

But they believe they are Christians, and believe they are following the teachings of Christ, and the Word of God.

Just as ISIS believe they are true Muslims, and believe they are following the teachings of Mohamed.

Just like a lot of people today call themselves "Christian" and are not. I suppose it's true with muslim as well, but I'm no muslim scholar like yourself. I can't comment on what I do not understand.

If, in your point of view, it's personally subjective as to whether another person is a true Christian or not, then the same metric must be applied to all religions. Thereby, it can be accurate to consider that radical followers of Weaponized Islam are not true Muslims. And by extension, Muslims should not be demonized just as Christians should not be demonized.

Again, you staple with a focus on negative so called "Christian" atrocities. That's a really good misdirection,

It's not a misdirection, it's context.

My whole point in responding to you is DONT focus on one group when all this times, this issue has been going on with every group here and you don't seem to stand against it.

Don't presume a certain stance based on one thread from someone who's often too busy with other affairs to post as much as he'd like.

There is a difference between crazy people believing they are following the ways of Christ, and then doing something completely opposite, and Muslims following the words of the Quran, and being exactly right about what the Quran says..

"Exactly right" according to who?

And yes...even the New Testament encourages killing, mutilations etc..If you choose to interpret it with an extremist view..

skepticsannotatedbible.com...

It is the "My religion is the RIGHT religion" nonsense that is precisely driving ISIS...you might try to think a little differently.

originally posted by: intrepid
a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

Do you think it's possible that that little Iraqi child, now a teen thinks the same of us? Or Afghani. Or Libyan. Etc?

Maybe...but unjustified when examined. We are not there and have never been there to commit genocide against an alternative religion simply because we want them all dead. People tend to forget that this group of Muslims, and likely more are 100% fine with genocide. Not taking land and killing in the process, not fighting for freedom...genocide.

gen·o·cide
ˈjenəˌsīd
noun
the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation.