How to Awaken the Kundalini

a reply to: UniFinity

Those might be aspects of reality beyond what most people are currently aware of, but they are ultimately still subjective. To help you understand what sort of perspective I am coming from, I am someone who believes that "Nothing is absolute." It can be 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999%, but it cannot be 100%. It is asymptotic, infinitely approached but never reached.

a reply to: UniFinity

Just to be clear: none of these "advanced kundalini stages" you experienced them yourself and you are mostly copy pasting what you read on other sites.

I thought it was worth pointing at this fact.

Because in case you are not aware there is no shortage of first hand experiences from people who experienced kundalini awakening and they are slightly different from what you posted.

Just so you know it.

On the other hand yeah meditation and mindfullness are never a bad thing to learn and practice, but kundalini is almost a separate topic in itself

originally posted by: saadad
a reply to: trifecta

Can I keep on asking about benefits? So you have all this power, what do you do with your day?

Don't say you just watch those beings jump in the dark and try not to get scared. Can you make the earth better place? Or if you don't want to, why?

Robert Monroe is a profit maker guy and he sells the crap that you can find online for free. So I think he is not worth to be mention here, unless all this awakening is just that.

Patience, all will be revealed.

The benefits to a skilled handler delve into the Realm of the Impossible.

PS Your avatar has a qliphotic code that lies within. What this an intentional decision you made in selection? Or did you just think it had a "cool" graphic?

a reply to: Resostone

You are very astute. I admire your methodology and forensic touch. It is quite telling of character.

I have some (hopefully constructive) criticism on the original poster's agenda.

No agenda in the classical sense. This is more, me liberating a metaphoric key to a person in a room with many sealed doors. Once the door is opened by the individual, it is up to their Free Will to decide whether to cross the breach, and if they do so, their Free Will to decide what to do when they get there. Me, providing the key, is in no way bridling a person's Will with coarse of ulterior motive.

There are numerous cases of contradiction in some of your posts - I won't go down the road of quoting and itemising

"Contradiction" carries a misleading premise. "Dualistic" is the word I would gravitate towards. The duality is deliberate in my preferences that I illustrate in other posts. But my assembly of the "material" to the "surreal" is overall consistent.

Most of your posts in other threads are very certain and you carry a sense of privilege and "tease" interested folks through mention of various phenomena and allusions to secrets and prophecy.

I hope I don't come off with an aire of "privilege". My intentions aren't some exercise of inflated ego. Does a Translator act privileged when acting as intermediary to a communication? I don't think such a thing applies.

But you are absolutely correct about the teasers in certain anomaly, secrets, and prophecy. Sometimes its better to allow people to come to their own conclusions on specific matters. Think of it like a song you love. Many musicians are very reluctant to define one of their composition's meaning, in attempt to allow their art to organically define itself to the individual listener. Every song means something different to a person. That is the solvent for impact.

To cut to the cold hard chase, it seems: You and a couple of others seem to be engaged in a spiritual pissing contest.
I hope I'm wrong.

This kind of interpretation is dangerous, that I can assure you (Disclaimer: this not a thinly veiled threat from me, lol).

Some Rabbit Holes are not worth the wanderlust. The "light" at the end of that tunnel is the headlight of a Runaway Train, speeding toward the Wayward Man's end.

a reply to: gggilll
well, can't argue that. I am only a beginner. After few years of meditation...

Because in case you are not aware there is no shortage of first hand experiences from people who experienced kundalini awakening and they are slightly different from what you posted.

This is very relative and subjective. That is why books are useless when it comes to this stuff. Each person is unique and will experience different feelings and bliss or even bad things...
I have also read a lot about many different opinions and books about it. And many people who are saying that they have raised kundalini are describing what I am experiencing now.
And I believe there are two groups of people. One who had true kundalini raising and one who did not : )

the one who did not are most common and they are, I think, experiencing what I am during meditation when I feel ida, pingala and Sushumna energy channels and other chakra centers along the spine and head. It is often noted at various sites or books that many people confuse the two, because bliss can be felt or pressure areas all over the body, even at that stage. But this is completely different from kundalini.

There are many energies which are not kundalini, and are all sorted out and felt before kundalini awakens naturally. I admit I did not come to kundalini for now and I don't particularly care ether way. It will happen when it will. For me, the body is only like a lump of wood and in the way. My goal is something far from body sensations or intellect, but I did play a lot when I started my journey with various mantras, music, chakras, prana, drugs, etc...

It all comes down to mental state when meditating and not much else, if you can sort out what you really want and practice everyday, than there is nothing else to do but sit and enjoy the ride. Kundalini will come and all else also, if you posses pure intent or goal and unshakeable faith.
And from experience I can say that learning one paranayama technique is recommended, because if you begin meditation with this, it will help you a LOT in various ways.

a reply to: Eilasvaleleyn
well what if I told you that every person who had complete self-realization or liberation from body and mind are all saying the same thing just in different words.
This is what you are pointing to in your posts. And you can get it even in this lifetime! Start working on it : )

There is a state of conciousness which is without a doubt different but final, and when you get to it, you recognize it. Because it is our natural state of existence. When we were babies we were were close to it. But than ... life happened haha

All true masters are saying this...every one of them.

Today, teachings are polluted and adopted for western lifestyle, we are weak minded and to materialistic, so first you must get authentic old material or real master.
But this is outside of kundalini, and I will not say much more...if you are interested send me a private message and I can give you some links, which I consider true.

originally posted by: gggilll

It's exactly what happens to many people who become obsessed with "spiritual awakening" and stuff like that.
It's actually a classical and documented pitfall of many spiritual paths, and yet tons of people fall for it, craving for the attention their "special knowledge" seems to give them, some even becoming fraudulent or self-absorbed gurus.

Sure, there's plenty out there looking to make a buck or abstract some form of quantifiable gain. But, in case you where suggesting this be my case, I'm not selling a book/movie script, tickets to forum, digital/physical merchandise, or trying to get redirects to a website, nor have people come over to do my laundry. I've said this before, if my motives are to just feed my ego, or pursuit of internet fame, it is a pretty terrible attempt on my half considering the daily attack on my character and my sanity by the majority of this audience. I can't see how this volley of mudslinging people endure, is constituent to gravitas. Plus, the factor of the illusion of internet anonymity isn't conducive to fame and gloryhound.

The reality is that this thing called "kundalini awakening" as been studied by many people and we have now a better understanding of it. It's not something supernatural, but more of an array of symptoms related to the nervous system.

It doesn't guarantee secret knowledge or higher wisdom. It's not limited to people who are into spiritual or esoteric stuff. It's actually almost the same process happening for people in traumatic situation, NDE, spiritual crisis or even psychotic breaks.

It's not a safe process and it can actually be quite damaging to the nervous system and the brain.

That's a quick fix armchair analysis. Sure, people are afflicted with mental disorders. Most Humans have "P"sycophantic disorder. It's a mental condition that grips the expansive mind and saps a person's Will. It's a form of hypnosis and suggestibility. A cow-tow to subjugation and invoked influence by others, without demand of rebrand or review. Popular consumption and conformity. An illness that corrals the senses. An epidemic of herculean proportions, among the masses at large.

Sanctimonious tripe and conscript from propaganda machines can be damaging to the nervous system and brain function.

Kundalini IS a condition to the nervous system, it's just not an illness to genuine accounts. It is an expansion to the sensory and upgrade to the pathways of neural synapse. This is the stereotypical spin parallel to equating a "Freedom Fighter" to a "Terrorist". More dangerous conclusions.

Basically it's not something that should be sought after (otherwise it's an unhealthy obsession), nor should it be thought as a sign of spiritual development, which it is not as shown by the countless accounts of spiritual people who become crazy or absorbed in their own grandeur.

This is analogous to armchair quacks too.

The best thing we can do about it is to stop talking about it with pseudo-scientific and pseudo-spiritual texts, but to refer to clear and critical information on the subject for anyone truly interested.

Like this excellent book for example written by a medical doctor after studying dozens of cases:
www.amazon.com...

And there's the punch line.

If this site is about denying ignorance, then let's deny the ignorance surrounding this "kundalini" thing because there is plenty of good info about it already.

Really? Do shed light on your personal Kundalini experience. You're fully "Awakened" I presume? Please describe the vertex of your enlightenment.

I'm not trying to be combative, but this is a prime example of disinformation.

originally posted by: gggilll

originally posted by: UniFinity
a reply to: gggilll
In same cases the less you know the better, so you don't have any expectations, which is most important with spiritual stuff. Once you start to expect something, than this is already a trap which ego is guilty of. And from spiritual point this is not good.

This is excellent advice

And the very reason why I said more cons than pros (it's not out of fear); today there are too many people who jump into this out of curiosity or self-centered motives (to have "powers" or special knowledge or to be better than others). Most of these people will have their experienced tainted by their motives and either will suffer psychological trauma, or fall for self-aggrandizing delusions.

It's not me being afraid but me being realistic. The context isn't the same in the modern western world and in the ancient eastern world.

Today in the modern western world people are more materialistic and self centered, and it is bad when mixed with breakthrough experiences and will cause spiritual crisis and other mental discomforts and ailments.


As you said, it's not important. It's a natural process and should remain that way. People who claim it's something "special" like in the OP are only going to attract more unprepared people into it out of unhealthy curiosity.


Again, this book is a much better way to jump into the topic as it lists tons of different experience and present them from an external and critical point of view:
www.amazon.com...

Except your "special knowledge" comes with a pricetag?

Interesting.

The premise you're towing about relativistic perception of reality in the individual consciousness, being mutually exclusive and isolated to the shared experience of two engaged persons is severely flawed at best. There are mediums to demonstrate substance of diametric realities, as a result of a person who has been "awakened" and one who has not.

I can physically prove the reality and existence of the phenomena, directly tied to "Awakening". we have telemetry to PROVE it. Between full spectrum photography, to EM/TM spectrometry, and deliberate, physical invocation/manifestation, it can be metered, recorded, and felt, immutably. The physical proof I will present in part, near conclusion of this thread. Soon after I will dedicate a thread to physical proof and debunking the misanthropic reductionists.

originally posted by: TechniXcality
a reply to: Eilasvaleleyn

I would say, objective reality is an absolute, and that it consists of a generally agreed view and exists wether I observe it or not, the evidence for this is overwhelming. However, how much does the subjective/objective interact who knows and that is a large philosophical question. Yes I think therefor I am, I understand the subjective arguments, other than a brain exercise such arguments hold very little weight. Also the OP is a funny one, he once took pictures that were shaky and blurred and claimed they were "astral entities", is that the agreed upon reality that consists of laws and logic?

Are we going to do this dance again? You'll just have to wait for my next thread asserting proof, as mentioned above, and I'll even explain to you the empirical science behind digital photography, artifacts, and the interaction of Electro-static and Theromagnetic effects to such technology. So, go do your homework on the matter, I'll give you a head start when it comes time to counter my claims on the matter.

a reply to: gggilll

I know the "reality is a holographic matrix" is popular around here, but it is largely misunderstood so careful with that kind of ideas

What sciences acknowledges so far is that the further we look into the fabric of our universe, the more we discover it looks like it works according to the laws ruling our observation tools.

Which is only logical since when you think about it; we are limited by the language, the information theory, the laws of optics, to observe and describe things so it's unlikely we will someday get the full picture (or even a slightly bigger one) unless we invent new observation tools and new ways to express and store information.

Also I believe there was also one theory about our experienced reality being a 3D holographic projection of a reality with more dimensions, like a holographic picture is printed on a 2D plane but the original image is a 3D one.

But I don't think any searchers is claiming we are living in some kind of computer simulation despite what tabloids are sometimes wrongly relaying. It's only their habit of putting sensational titles by willingly completely misinterpreting what people are actually saying.

Well you said it yourself, we are limited...by our understanding of a computer language perhaps? I made a thread about all this a while ago...where I explain why it is possible that we actually do live in a simulation, it`s just so sophisticated that we think it couldn`t possibly be one...

Might want to read it even if you don`t agree with...after all, it`s a good read

www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: UniFinity
a reply to: Eilasvaleleyn
There is a state of conciousness which is without a doubt different but final, and when you get to it, you recognize it.

This is correct. And kundalini awakening is only one in many ways to achieve this state.

originally posted by: trifecta
Really? Do shed light on your personal Kundalini experience. You're fully "Awakened" I presume? Please describe the vertex of your enlightenment.

That would be hybris from me to claim I am fully "Awakened" whatever that mean. Like most people I navigate this life with some moments of seemingly greater clarity and mindfulness and others when I'm on cruise control while my mind is basically resting.

The apex of my experience was that of a non-dual state of consciousness that lasted for a few days and which was accompanied by many other epiphenomenons.


And just to be clear, my posts were in no way targeting you personally, but more of a global tendency that has always existed to treat the subject of "awakening" as a goal with almost mystical qualities that people should try to seek, and not a mere event in life which happens to some and not to others and which is fine because it's ultimate purpose is self-transformation and not everyone needs or even want such self-transformation in their life.

I don't deny what you claim here. I just want to shed a different light on it to give a broader perspective on a complex subject.

originally posted by: Op3nM1nd3d
I made a thread about all this a while ago...where I explain why it is possible that we actually do live in a simulation, it`s just so sophisticated that we think it couldn`t possibly be one...

You made a thread about the scenario of the Matrix and Plato's cave? I never thought about this possibility...

Sorry just feeling sarcastic this morning

a reply to: gggilll

Well now...have you even considered that my true evil intent was for you to flag my thread?

Is reading too much into kundalini and advanced meditations a bad thing? Iv'e avoided reading too much about kundalini and similar spiritual subjects because I felt like too much "knowledge" from other people might create expectations.

Secondly, is it safe to try kundalini without a teacher/guide or years of meditation/energy practice? If one is not ready for total enlightenment, is it smart to attempt kundalini?

Sorry if you had answered any of these questions already. I had just skimmed the thread.

a reply to: blueman12

You know what they say...."Ignorance is bliss" and it is true in some cases. Yes having a teacher/guide would be a wise thing to have because he/she will determine whether or not you are ready to make such attempt. And that is the most important thing above all teachings and knowledge you get from them. Just make sure you double check your teacher`s/guide`s credentials first

a reply to: blueman12

don't worry be happy : )

no expectation and desires and goodness will start to shine through you...don't get to stuck on kundalini or enlightenment, this is also another thing ego wants to distract you with. Emptiness or being without attachment or blind beliefs is the way to liberation.

Read about heart and diamond sutra or similar old spiritual text and ponder about them. This is in my opinion, what a person with your goal should be doing...try to really understand what enlightenment means to you and than you can start to live life in correct way, with your new understanding. It is a process of learning.

You will fall and stumble, but the important thing is to not stay down. Be firm and stay strong but humble and learn from past mistakes! There is always a way if there is a will.
But that is only my opinion...it will maybe not suit you. Take only what suits you and build your own story.

Another great book about mysticism : )
www.gutenberg.org...
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sorry for derailing the thread again. I hope you will soon find the time to post another part, so we will have something further to read and talk about : )

originally posted by: UniFinity
a reply to: blueman12
Another great book about mysticism : )
www.gutenberg.org...

Excellent suggestion, everything by Evelyn Underhill is great and well documented.

a reply to: trifecta
I knew I was brought out of the woodwork for something.
Haven't been on the site in 3 years.. Yet I bring myself to your thread as I'm getting ready to leave for work.
Funny how things manifest.
For now, I sit quietly and observe.
I look forward to the continued reading trifecta

www.spiritofthescripture.com...

One of my favorite sites.

Thou anoinest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.”

Esoterically this scripture is talking about the hormonal secretions within the brain that take place as the Holy Ghost (prana and chi) rise up the spine and enter the glandular system in our skulls.

The physical body is a highly complex electromagnetic field, and certain EM frequencies have a harmonizing effect on the brain as a whole. The synchronization of complex glands affects consciousness in profound ways. And since the body is an electromagnetic field, rituals such as meditation, mantras, and visualization must all produce certain waves and frequencies that, when done properly, can help to harmonize the different areas of the brain and produce the divine marriage within.

Touching on the electromagnetic as well.