How to Awaken the Kundalini

originally posted by: UniFinity
a reply to: gggilll
In same cases the less you know the better, so you don't have any expectations, which is most important with spiritual stuff. Once you start to expect something, than this is already a trap which ego is guilty of. And from spiritual point this is not good.

This is excellent advice

And the very reason why I said more cons than pros (it's not out of fear); today there are too many people who jump into this out of curiosity or self-centered motives (to have "powers" or special knowledge or to be better than others). Most of these people will have their experienced tainted by their motives and either will suffer psychological trauma, or fall for self-aggrandizing delusions.

It's not me being afraid but me being realistic. The context isn't the same in the modern western world and in the ancient eastern world.

Today in the modern western world people are more materialistic and self centered, and it is bad when mixed with breakthrough experiences and will cause spiritual crisis and other mental discomforts and ailments.


As you said, it's not important. It's a natural process and should remain that way. People who claim it's something "special" like in the OP are only going to attract more unprepared people into it out of unhealthy curiosity.


Again, this book is a much better way to jump into the topic as it lists tons of different experience and present them from an external and critical point of view:
www.amazon.com...

originally posted by: gggilll
It reveals more about themselves than about the experience itself.

Someone who is really interested in the subject should approach it from a critical perspective, removing vague and subjective concepts such as "spirituality" from the equation.

I completely agree.

“A need for approval lies behind all efforts of evangelism. If someone else can be convinced, that will show us that we are on the right path. The attempt to convince someone of anything is a mark of insecurity.”
― Ravi Ravindra, The Wisdom of Patanjali's Yoga Sutras

My problem with a lot of people using new age thinking is that some of them falsely believe they are all-knowing, physically and mentally pure beings of light when in fact they are as clueless as the rest of us.

As I mentioned elsewhere, likely in the third-eye thread, while I read about these things and it intrigues me, I am not likely to attempt this myself unless I am near death. (Terminal illness, for instance.)

While my curiosity is very, very strong, I am also rational. I am reasonable. I know what it did to the cat, and I do not wish to share the cat's fate.

originally posted by: Eilasvaleleyn
As I mentioned elsewhere, likely in the third-eye thread, while I read about these things and it intrigues me, I am not likely to attempt this myself unless

Despite what some people will claim, there isn't a ON/OFF switch for that sort of experiences. Many will claim that with a patient training, correct diet or specific procedure you can "open your chakra/open your third eye/ignite your kundalini".

It's a lie.

As said by others, it's just something that happens, beyond command and effort.

People who claim to have a controlled "kundalini experience" most likely convinced themselves they have. Basically they deluded themselves into it, which is indeed a very powerful way to subjectively have such experiences.

Anyone can trick himself into experiencing anything with enough desire, belief and dedication. It's self-hypnosis/magic 101: trick your brain into it and you will subjectively experience it.

I'm pretty sure a great majority of supernatural experiences shared in here are actually that: people who really want to experience something and who eventually do. But no it's totally impossible that they trick themselves into believing they did. No sir they wouldn't fall for something so obvious

a reply to: gggilll

Good points. Just curious, are you talking from your own experience or speaking objectively?

originally posted by: Op3nM1nd3d
a reply to: gggilll

Good points. Just curious, are you talking from your own experience or speaking objectively?

A bit of both. It's almost impossible to ignore personal experience entirely, but by putting it in perspective with other experiences, it helps finding what is subjective and what is universal.

My own experience was 7 years ago, and since then I've read hundreds of related testimonies, both in the literature and on internet boards to shed light on what happened to me (which was unexpected and undesired). It helped. A lot. And now I can see how most of these testimonies are people unconsciously sharing their hopes, fears, desires and beliefs more than describing objectively what they really experienced.

a reply to: gggilll

Interesting that is...I also had a weird experience about same time and soon after I started looking for answers and that was when I joined ATS. In my case I came to a conclusion that it was either all real which I choose to believe in (for now) or, as you put it, my mind generated it all up from the beginning till the end. Either way, being aware of this happening to me at that time helped me go through it without too much damage but I don`t think I will ever be the same again...

All my further thoughts and findings were pointing towards one question which still puzzles me and probably will till the end of my days. "What excatly is reality?"

originally posted by: Op3nM1nd3d
In my case I came to a conclusion that it was either all real which I choose to believe in (for now) or, as you put it, my mind generated it all up from the beginning till the end.

Physical symptoms are very real. But any kind of meaning which we assign to things happening inside or outside of us it purely generated by our minds, since the universe doesn't create meaning. Only the mind does.

originally posted by: Op3nM1nd3d
"What excatly is reality?"

The one you experience, the one I experience, or the one beyond our two time-constrained bubbles of subjective reality ?

a reply to: Op3nM1nd3d

Reality is simply what exists inside the subjective observer's own mind. You may not have total control over it, but that is what reality can be said to be. Objective reality, if it does indeed exist, is utterly impossible to ascertain. It may influence our own, but in what ways and how much so I do not know, and would not even try to guess.

Physical symptoms are very real

How do you know that?
The truth is you don't.
The truth is you can't.
You only assume.

originally posted by: Eilasvaleleyn
How do you know that?
The truth is you don't.
The truth is you can't.
You only assume.

Because a heart-rate can be observed by a physician, like the amount of sugar in the blood, a dilatation of pupils, an insomnia or vitamin B deficiency.

Unless you mean that even the physician himself is maybe not real and everything is a part of my imagination which is of course a philosophical possibility but honestly it doesn't really help in understanding what the experience discussed here are

What I'm saying is that modern science doesn't reject kundalini-like symptoms. What it does treat with caution on the other hand is the supposed origin and meaning of them as presented in the OP.

The hyper-activated sympathetic nervous system that is so persistent in kundalini awakenings causes the same kind of damage to the organism as that produced by prolonged and excessive stress.

a reply to: Eilasvaleleyn

I would say, objective reality is an absolute, and that it consists of a generally agreed view and exists wether I observe it or not, the evidence for this is overwhelming. However, how much does the subjective/objective interact who knows and that is a large philosophical question. Yes I think therefor I am, I understand the subjective arguments, other than a brain exercise such arguments hold very little weight. Also the OP is a funny one, he once took pictures that were shaky and blurred and claimed they were "astral entities", is that the agreed upon reality that consists of laws and logic?

My apologies, my statements were meant to be in response/the context of this question.

"What excatly [sic] is reality?

The answer to which... Well, even conventionally speaking we do not yet have an answer to.

Philosophically, the only possible answer is that reality is the subjective experiences of a conscious entity. It cannot be anything but. Objective reality may exist, be influenced by and influence in turn those subjective experiences, but it cannot ever be confirmed or denied. It cannot ever be measured, or even simply comprehended. It is beyond the limits of what the human mind is capable of.

I misunderstood what I was quoting. I inferred "the physical symptoms are very real" as akin to saying "what we physically experience is very real."

originally posted by: Eilasvaleleyn
I misunderstood what I was quoting. I inferred "the physical symptoms are very real" as akin to saying "what we physically experience is very real."

No problem I do enjoy a good philosophical discussion!

It's true that we cannot prove there is an objective reality, but most of the time this question is a bit sterile in terms of moving forward with our reasoning so most people are OK with assuming (like you said) that there is an objective reality and that we might approach a consensus on what is this objective reality by asking other people if they confirm/infirm our personal experiences (and of course we also know there's certainly much more to this objective reality than just what our senses can perceive).

At least it worked very well for me and every time I wasn't sure if something I was seeing/hearing was "real", asking someone next to me what was their experience quickly answered my questions

And if there wasn't someone next to me, well at least I knew that hallucinations are extremely "real-looking" and deceiving as already confirmed to me so I would be doubly critical.

a reply to: gggilll

originally posted by: Op3nM1nd3d
"What excatly is reality?"

The one you experience, the one I experience, or the one beyond our two time-constrained bubbles of subjective reality ?

Well, I want to go beyond subjective realities or, as TechniXcality put it, objective reality which is agreed from our human perspective but disagree that this is an absolute reality (perhaps only in our minds that is)...anyway the true absolute reality is what I`m after even if that means finding zeroes and ones all the way

originally posted by: Op3nM1nd3d
...anyway the true absolute reality is what I`m after even if that means finding zeroes and ones all the way

I know the "reality is a holographic matrix" is popular around here, but it is largely misunderstood so careful with that kind of ideas

What sciences acknowledges so far is that the further we look into the fabric of our universe, the more we discover it looks like it works according to the laws ruling our observation tools.

Which is only logical since when you think about it; we are limited by the language, the information theory, the laws of optics, to observe and describe things so it's unlikely we will someday get the full picture (or even a slightly bigger one) unless we invent new observation tools and new ways to express and store information.

Also I believe there was also one theory about our experienced reality being a 3D holographic projection of a reality with more dimensions, like a holographic picture is printed on a 2D plane but the original image is a 3D one.

But I don't think any searchers is claiming we are living in some kind of computer simulation despite what tabloids are sometimes wrongly relaying. It's only their habit of putting sensational titles by willingly completely misinterpreting what people are actually saying.

"True", "Absolute", "Objective", and so forth "realities" cannot ever be discovered. If you cannot even be certain that the person you are speaking to exists, you cannot even attempt to correlate the data.

Still, I guess if we assume as a thought experiment that:

1) Objective reality exists.
2) All human entities are real. That is, it is not just a single person hallucinating everything.

You still run into the issue of what I like to call the "Mutual Agreement Scenario". That is, pink is to one man as that man's blue is to another.

Blue is an electromagnetic radiation with a 450–495 nm wavelength

I would just like to add a few excellent articles about kundalini and what is it all about from another prospective. Because I see some wired posts here...maybe it will clear some doubts.
This articles are from someone who knows what he is talking about and is more traditional than our OP. Some will maybe like that more.

Links:
www.meditationexpert.com...
www.meditationexpert.com...
www.meditationexpert.com...

Great site for meditation all around. It has many awesome articles and is a great read for someone curious. It has it all - for beginners and also for advanced meditatiors.

I know from my limited experiences that what is written there is true. My meditations are progressing but I am still far from kundalini razing. When this happens you are a master and can enter perfect samadhi and can do miraculous stuff. So a very few achieve that level, from my understanding...

also a good documentary about samadhi state of conciousness.
www.cultureunplugged.com...

Supposedly, but how is it perceived by separate entities?

We come back to this issue once again, we cannot measure the universe outside our own subjective experiences and realities. (That includes results from a machine, by the way. Which we built, used, and interpreted the data from. Subjectively.)

In more regards to Kundalini, I am interested in the topic but it often sounds like an incredibly dangerous acid trip to me.

a reply to: Eilasvaleleyn

it is not perceived at all by normal human, but possible can be felt by more intuitive persons. But when you get to astral vision, mind eye or new agey third eye, things are visible without a doubt, such as auras and so on...but that comes in advanced stages.

if you are interested in this, than do not think about it, but rather just start breath meditation everyday, this is enough and you need not know more : ) After a while you will see if it is something you want to do, and if it is you will want to know more about various meditations and start exploring yourself. : )

More you are in deep meditation, more will you body start to change and you will feel all of it. And also changes in diet and thinking will be apparent to you and others. Contentment and inner peace will be increased and so on...

But as mentioned Kundalini is just one aspect of meditation which comes at the beginning stages, after you can enjoy perfect silence or true meditation. But this is far from the goal. Read the first link I posted. It is explained there how one progresses in general...