Desperate Times - Desperate Measures

originally posted by: scorpio84

originally posted by: Rosinitiate
Good idea, I wonder if those old Japanese internment camps from the World War can be repurposed for this idea. It will at least save us a little bit of money to compensate for all the lost booty we spent funding terrorists.

I love brilliant people! Scorpio84 for president!

LOL...I can appreciate a bit of mocking, but on a more serious level - follow my ideas and watch the problem of terrorism subside. I know it isn't "nice."

Well at least you have a sense of humor. It would be hard to tell otherwise reading the OP.

Here's the issue. You are suggesting removing all non-citizen Muslims and than tracking those who are citizens. You are asking us to accept an entire people as 2nd class citizens. You simply cannot control the situation by trying to rule billions of people you detest.

The differences between the two must be worked out and not in some back room, closed door discussion. It's time for a worldwide citizenry council of sorts, where all legitimate grievances are laid bare and a consensus made by the people of every nation. Of course that will never happen as those in power will never willingly relinquish their power and we the people don't have what it takes to take our nation(s) back.

The irony!

The terrorists want to take our freedoms! We must give up our freedoms to stop them!


Can anyone say derp derp?

a reply to: Nikola014

Want to know the saddest part? Western governments do NOT follow ideals of justice. If you think that they do, you're naive. It has been proven too many times in the past, unfortunately.

Then it shouldn't be difficult for you to prove it once.

What has happened in Paris a few days ago, happens in ME on a regular basis you realize that, don't you? Do you remember the poor massacre in Kenya where over 140 students got murdered?

You must have thought that by "suffering now," I meant the victims of the Paris attacks. Sorry, but I was referring to ALL victims of terrorism. BTW, I was not aware that Kenya was in the Middle East - or was that you trying to link unrelated events to make a point?

We are enablers - that one I agree, but not in the way you think. The west are enablers by supporting terrorists and training them and sending weapons to them and cooperating with Saudi Arabia, Qatar.

We're in agreement here. There's no denying that Western governments have had a hand in enabling the creation of these terrorist cells. Did I mention I think a few Western governments need some new leaders?

What the hell? What kind of an "argument" is this?

"Terrorists are Muslim" is not an argument. It's a statement of fact.

Would like you to show me how is Quaran the root of Islamic terrorism?

Haven't personally read it, but I do believe there's this quote in it: "if anyone killed a person, it would be as if he killed the whole of mankind; if anyone saved one person, it would be as if he saved the whole of mankind."

Sure, if I can find this thread when I'm not too busy tomorrow, I'll be glad to show you. Alternatively, you could just read the Koran for yourself. Even the quote you reference only applies to other Muslims. This should get you started:

Meaning behind "saving whole of mankind"

a reply to: crazyewok

derp derp

Always wanted to say it.

It's pretty obvious that we're moving faster and faster to a full government control over us.

But hey, maybe then they will actually be able to prevent any future terrorist attack...or not

originally posted by: scorpio84
How do you wage war against an ideology? You can't - and it doesn't take a screening of V for Vendetta to know that. What we should be concentrating on is not defeating terrorism, but rather terrorists. In order to do this, certain changes need to be made. First, we need to stop fighting wars between countries. Terrorists are not national leaders - they operate on the assumption that we can be frightened and moreover that there is a line we will not cross. I propose we cross that line. Here are some of my ideas:

-Close borders to Muslims

And the terrorist when asked "are you a muslim" answers "yes Mr Border Guard I am"......or maybe the terrorist will carry the Bible, wear a dog collar etc.

Let me guess they must be a muslim because they have brown skin.........hmmmm

Jesus H....dumb idea.

-Deport Muslims (if not already citizens) to Islamic countries

Why make an exception for citizens. Many of these terrorists are born here. Those teenagers going to Syria being radicalised were born here.

NB if you have 2 brain cells there is a word in that last sentence that hints where the problem lies.

-Keep close tabs on all Muslim citizens

How exactly? You will need 6-10 million cops/agents to monitor them since monitoring 2.7 million people 24hrs a day 7 days a week needs 3 people per person minimum (with massive overtime) more like 5 or 6.

Unless you tag them of course. Hitler did this to the jews he made them wear a big yellow star!. Let's make them all wear a big green crescent moon on all clothing.

-Execute every single captured terrorist

Which makes every one a martyr and useful propaganda for the terrorists to recruit more people.

Your ideas are right out of the right wing reactionary book for people who haven't a clue.

a reply to: crazyewok

What freedoms do we, non-Muslims, need to give up?

a reply to: scorpio84

Sure, it's Muslims now, but who's next? Because I assure you, there would be next.

a reply to: crazyewok

The irony!

The terrorists want to take our freedoms! We must give up our freedoms to stop them!

One likes to think they are free but they are not
They are governed by the law of their particular land
Break that law and punishment is served ... by physical force if deemed necessary

But I agree if you are saying the present situation can be used to further an agenda through compliance born of irrational reaction and a herd mentality.

originally posted by: Rosinitiate

originally posted by: scorpio84

originally posted by: Rosinitiate
Good idea, I wonder if those old Japanese internment camps from the World War can be repurposed for this idea. It will at least save us a little bit of money to compensate for all the lost booty we spent funding terrorists.

I love brilliant people! Scorpio84 for president!

LOL...I can appreciate a bit of mocking, but on a more serious level - follow my ideas and watch the problem of terrorism subside. I know it isn't "nice."

Well at least you have a sense of humor. It would be hard to tell otherwise reading the OP.

Here's the issue. You are suggesting removing all non-citizen Muslims and than tracking those who are citizens. You are asking us to accept an entire people as 2nd class citizens. You simply cannot control the situation by trying to rule billions of people you detest.

The differences between the two must be worked out and not in some back room, closed door discussion. It's time for a worldwide citizenry council of sorts, where all legitimate grievances are laid bare and a consensus made by the people of every nation. Of course that will never happen as those in power will never willingly relinquish their power and we the people don't have what it takes to take our nation(s) back.

I never mentioned ruling billions of people. If they want to blow each other up in their own Muslim part of the world, they can have at it.

The thing you maybe do not understand is that the only "consensus" that would be acceptable to these people would be the acceptance of Islam and prostration to Allah. They do not want peace - they want conversion.

originally posted by: scorpio84
a reply to: crazyewok

What freedoms do we, non-Muslims, need to give up?

You do realize they only need to accuse you of being a Muslim, in some arbitrary ficticious court that may or may not even actually exist so long as the idea exists to non-Muslims. You have gone well beyond that slippery slope in logic.

a reply to: woodwardjnr

They sure come crawling out of the woodwork fast every time they see an opportunity to spew their vile xenophobic and bigoted ideas

originally posted by: scorpio84

originally posted by: Rosinitiate

originally posted by: scorpio84

originally posted by: Rosinitiate
Good idea, I wonder if those old Japanese internment camps from the World War can be repurposed for this idea. It will at least save us a little bit of money to compensate for all the lost booty we spent funding terrorists.

I love brilliant people! Scorpio84 for president!

LOL...I can appreciate a bit of mocking, but on a more serious level - follow my ideas and watch the problem of terrorism subside. I know it isn't "nice."

Well at least you have a sense of humor. It would be hard to tell otherwise reading the OP.

Here's the issue. You are suggesting removing all non-citizen Muslims and than tracking those who are citizens. You are asking us to accept an entire people as 2nd class citizens. You simply cannot control the situation by trying to rule billions of people you detest.

The differences between the two must be worked out and not in some back room, closed door discussion. It's time for a worldwide citizenry council of sorts, where all legitimate grievances are laid bare and a consensus made by the people of every nation. Of course that will never happen as those in power will never willingly relinquish their power and we the people don't have what it takes to take our nation(s) back.

I never mentioned ruling billions of people. If they want to blow each other up in their own Muslim part of the world, they can have at it.

The thing you maybe do not understand is that the only "consensus" that would be acceptable to these people would be the acceptance of Islam and prostration to Allah. They do not want peace - they want conversion.

Sir, you need to look yourself in the mirror long and hard. You are just as radicalized as them, the difference is they have nothing to lose, you do.

originally posted by: woodwardjnr
a reply to: Shamrock6

If people only thought out the consequences of their ideas. What type of society do people actually want? Be careful what you wish for I say.

Well apparently some people want the kind of society where you can be deported because reasons. And the government "keeps tabs" on you because reasons. And you can be executed if you fit whatever the definition of terrorist is that month.

As ewok said, we need to give up our freedoms in order to preserve them!

Wait, what? Oh. Give them up to the government. Oh, well that's totally different. Way better.

"You can trust me. I'm from the government!"

a reply to: scorpio84

I might be callous, you are racist.

originally posted by: scorpio84
a reply to: crazyewok

What freedoms do we, non-Muslims, need to give up?

The freedom of free speach and freedom of religion.

a reply to: Shamrock6 a bit like North Korea. I imagine.

originally posted by: crazyewok

The irony!

The terrorists want to take our freedoms! We must give up our freedoms to stop them!


Can anyone say derp derp?

We certainly won't need much persuading to hand those freedoms if ATS is anything to go by, people will gladly hand them over, for a smidgen of extra security

a reply to: crazyewok

I don't see where my ideas restrict any freedoms. You don't have the freedom to plan a terrorist attack - sorry if that infringes upon free speech.

a reply to: Peeple

I'm not racist in the least.

By the way, "Muslim" refers to believers of a religion, not to a particular race. I'm aware there are white Muslims - they are included.