Trump's Wall

Man, Trump's wall is starting to sound like a pretty good idea right about now.
It's time to batten down the hatches.

These scum these days are practically invisible.
Like termites. You know you probably have some but I bet you had know idea how many until- bam! Your floor caves in and the walls start buckling.

**Changed the title***
I love Pink Floyd, didn't want to do that…

Anyways, Just ranting. Of course I know the wall is a stupid idea and doesn't stop ideologies from getting through.

All I'm saying is that we are too far gone living in our modern secular world to really even comprehend the sh** storm these fanatics from another century intend for the world.

We're like, what??
And they are like, god is good - bang!

wtf? wrong f'ng century!

sorry, just a little rant, but its time to wake the f up

a reply to: NowWhat

Is it wrong I thought this was going to be a Pink Floyd thread?

While the theory of having a wall sounds good, I don't see it actually stopping a determined terrorist from getting into the country. We can't even stop your average Mexican dirt farmer from getting in how will it stop a terrorist?

a reply to: Metallicus

Agreed.
Must be cold in hell...

Jokes aside, we already have a wall and the average person gets around it.

Would rather the money be used to go to the intel to stop it.

a reply to: NowWhat
Just know that a wall that can keep others out will also keep you in. What's the difference between that and a prison?

a reply to: Skid Mark

Gee, really ?
No one had ever realized that. How profound.

How deep would this wall be inserted into the ground? Why not take to the skies? Increasing the difficulty it takes to get here will only increase the bloodshed. The US needs to stop pimping themselves to desperate nations.

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: NowWhat

Is it wrong I thought this was going to be a Pink Floyd thread?

That's why I clicked too...

I just posted elsewhere that people, especially the media, were snarking about his comments last night: "I would bomb the # out of ISIS!"

But, he is likely cha-chinging campaign donations every five seconds tonight.

Doesn't mean he will be anymore effective than anyone else but the timing is unreal.

a reply to: Metallicus

Remind me again how the terrorists got into the country? As far as I'm aware, the ones coming through Mexico are either poor people looking to support their families or (and this is the minority) drug/gun traffickers. I agree that America needs to have more secure borders and that the immigration situation is crap (easier to get to America being an illegal from Guatemala than if you are the spouse of a US citizen trying to do it legally). However, a wall is not the way to go. A wall not only keeps people out - it traps people inside. To give a better idea of how bad this idea is, think of how Trump proposes to pay for said wall - by forcing Mexico to pay for it. Really? Is Trump prepared to launch air strikes on Mexico if they refuse to comply?

Walls will not keep them out, any better than it can keep those determined to leave in.

There needs to be a paradigm shift in society.

Most don't have the personal accountability, responsibility, or willingness to deal with the real problems tho.

We're more interested in getting everything handed to us on a silver platter, and pushing for more free-stuff, than to buckle down and fix or deal with things.

We are doomed.

a reply to: Sremmos80

What wall? Some rusty fence here in there?

If it weren't so depressing, I would find funny the videos of the young women getting ferried across the river by a dude on a jet-ski.... then the run for about thirty yards... soaking wet.... then slow down and just stroll casually as if it's just a day in the park.

a reply to: Metallicus

Is it wrong I thought this was going to be a Pink Floyd thread?

All in all, no.
First thing that popped into my head.
2nd was my ATS Wall that I always forget about.

But I agree. A wall can only do so much and no more.

a reply to: eluryh22

No there is 20 some odd foot walls there.

Seen them first hand, old man is a retired Border Patrol.
He is the first to tell me a wall is a dumb idea.

a reply to: Sremmos80

Just so I understand you, are you implying that there are continuous 20' +/- walls along the entirety of the United States' border with Mexico? Or are you saying there are sections of walls here and there?

No wall, no matter how high and secure, will keep determined people out.

The real solution is to stop giving them incentive to come in.

Stop giving illegal immigrants healthcare, anchor babies, employment, and voting status - then you will soon find no reason for a wall.

A wall is just like a band aid. It doesn't fix the real problem.

People like Trump don't seem to understand this.

a reply to: eluryh22

It is not continuous but not here and there either.

There are parts where you really can't build a wall either, you ever seen the dunes in Arizona?

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: eluryh22

It is not continuous but not here and there either.

There are parts where you really can't build a wall either, you ever seen the dunes in Arizona?

If it's not continuous it's kinda worthless. I suspect that people that don't mind travelling a few hundred miles to illegally enter a country won't balk at the idea of traveling an extra fifty to find a wall-less location.

I have built structures in some remarkably difficult locations (technically, I managed and the tradesmen built). There is absolutely NOWHERE where whatever is needed can't be built.

I would say that we shouldn't need a wall. We should cut off the incentive to come here illegally. We should stop subsidizing people's existences that shouldn't be here in the first place (from the legal aspect). We should go after companies who hire illegals with a tremendous amount of ferocity. But, we won't.

a reply to: eluryh22

We should go after companies who hire illegals with a tremendous amount of ferocity. But, we won't.

and why is that? Is it because cheap labor and stock holder profit is more important to the economic well being to the country; or greed by those that make the rules that our politicians follow.

There will be no wall and the next president will bend over and take what ever the Corporate elite tell him to do, along with congress.

It's called capitalism and corporate cronyism it's the established system, and it's not gonna change.

a reply to: olaru12

I kinda feel like you are agreeing with my and yelling at me at the same time.....?

a reply to: eluryh22

I would say that we shouldn't need a wall. We should cut off the incentive to come here illegally. We should stop subsidizing people's existences that shouldn't be here in the first place (from the legal aspect). We should go after companies who hire illegals with a tremendous amount of ferocity. But, we won't.

I agree, we might be a bit split about the welfare part since I wouldn't want kids to suffer but couldn't agree more about the companies.

And can walls be built on sand dunes? Don't they shift all the time and wouldn't that cause some serious stress on the wall?