Complaints about atheists.

originally posted by: GonzoSinister

originally posted by: Ladybug201
First of all, I don't believe there are people who don't believe in the existence of god. I believe they lie when they say they don't believe god exists. The thing here is they just might not worship him. Big difference.

Second. They use the bible to mock believers. I've seen it before. They claim the bible is full or error yet use it to claim our faith is wrong.

Disbelievers aren't disbelievers when they don't mock the ones with faith. Since a disbeliever has no faith, how would he/she know anything about it? The bible maybe, if what's written in the bible is true ofcourse.

There are those disbelievers, mostly those claiming to be "atheist" who desperatly cling to science to create the illusion of superiority. Superior in knowledge. They strongly defend what science comes up with to the teeth sometimes without even knowing what they are fed is actually true. How many times hasn't science changed it views on things, yet they continue clinging to every new thing science comes up with as it being the truth.

These atheists also claim religious people/people of faith are stupid. My conviction is mockers are stupid.

Atheism, for as far as it is real.

Is this just trolling?

i mean, you dont believe people dont believe in the existence of god... but you believe people are lying..

surely an argument could then be put forward that states.. i dont believe people dont believe that people dont believe in god.


how hard is it really to not believe in God, as by biblical definition heshe is just there with no proof other than the faith that heshe created everything around us.. would it not stand to reason then that someone could have faith in the fact heshe didnt believe based on what evidence they have decided to be factual?

i would imagine what you actually mean (which is totally fine) is that when people question God's existence it creates fear and doubt in your mind, that is totally human, if you cant absolutely prove something then it is open to interpretation.

with regards to the bible, as you were not present in the writing of it, and as you know from the ACTUAL BIBLE that the stories were written by many different people some of which had never ever met or even lived within a generation of jesus, then you know it has been translated or changed by numerous people to the common bible versions which exists today it is more than reasonable to presume that even if the bible was information about Jesus's life and the old testament about actual god stories that those very stories will not be true to the original form. as such one would expect it to hold some falsehoods?

I consider a difference between believing in god and believing in his existence. Faith is what makes it a whole different world.

originally posted by: Lucid Lunacy
a reply to: Ladybug201

I'm not entirely sure what you meant by that. Here's a quote anyways:

“In fact, "atheism" is a term that should not even exist. No one ever needs to identify himself as a "non-astrologer" or a "non-alchemist." We do not have words for people who doubt that Elvis is still alive or that aliens have traversed the galaxy only to molest ranchers and their cattle. Atheism is nothing more than the noises reasonable people make in the presence of unjustified religious beliefs.” ~Sam Harris

Good quote from "The dangers of atheism".

On topic:

Cognitive dissonance is the mental stress or discomfort experienced by an individual who holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values at the same time, performs an action that is contradictory to one or more beliefs, ideas or values, or is confronted by new information that conflicts with existing beliefs, ideas, or values.

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: Ladybug201
I noticed you're trying to inflict harm with your pointed arrows

Isn't that what you are TRYING to do with this thread???

I'm not sure what is wrong with complaining.

originally posted by: Ladybug201

originally posted by: GonzoSinister

originally posted by: Ladybug201
First of all, I don't believe there are people who don't believe in the existence of god. I believe they lie when they say they don't believe god exists. The thing here is they just might not worship him. Big difference.

Second. They use the bible to mock believers. I've seen it before. They claim the bible is full or error yet use it to claim our faith is wrong.

Disbelievers aren't disbelievers when they don't mock the ones with faith. Since a disbeliever has no faith, how would he/she know anything about it? The bible maybe, if what's written in the bible is true ofcourse.

There are those disbelievers, mostly those claiming to be "atheist" who desperatly cling to science to create the illusion of superiority. Superior in knowledge. They strongly defend what science comes up with to the teeth sometimes without even knowing what they are fed is actually true. How many times hasn't science changed it views on things, yet they continue clinging to every new thing science comes up with as it being the truth.

These atheists also claim religious people/people of faith are stupid. My conviction is mockers are stupid.

Atheism, for as far as it is real.

Is this just trolling?

i mean, you dont believe people dont believe in the existence of god... but you believe people are lying..

surely an argument could then be put forward that states.. i dont believe people dont believe that people dont believe in god.


how hard is it really to not believe in God, as by biblical definition heshe is just there with no proof other than the faith that heshe created everything around us.. would it not stand to reason then that someone could have faith in the fact heshe didnt believe based on what evidence they have decided to be factual?

i would imagine what you actually mean (which is totally fine) is that when people question God's existence it creates fear and doubt in your mind, that is totally human, if you cant absolutely prove something then it is open to interpretation.

with regards to the bible, as you were not present in the writing of it, and as you know from the ACTUAL BIBLE that the stories were written by many different people some of which had never ever met or even lived within a generation of jesus, then you know it has been translated or changed by numerous people to the common bible versions which exists today it is more than reasonable to presume that even if the bible was information about Jesus's life and the old testament about actual god stories that those very stories will not be true to the original form. as such one would expect it to hold some falsehoods?

I consider a difference between believing in god and believing in his existence. Faith is what makes it a whole different world.

that is ok you consider that, however i would say that i consider ones ability to not believe in God their own personal right based on what they have faith in.

so your thread is about in your opinion people all believe in Gods existence, yet lie about it..thats what you feel and that is ok,

i would say people do not believe in god really, but pretend to as it comforts them.

a reply to: Ladybug201

I consider a difference between believing in god and believing in his existence.

I don't see this distinction. Care to clarify?

a reply to: Ladybug201

I've often struggled with this dilemma.

As a kid, I was atheist but as I became an adult I started to realize the fault with that thinking.
To me, an atheist is just as "wrong" as a theist. They both require "faith".

One has "faith" that there is a god.
The other has "faith" that there is no god.
Both require faith as neither have proof.

I now realize that I am agnostic. I just do not know. Since I do not know, I do not care.
Am I supposed to make a decision with no "real" facts to go on??

Now, one could argue that since we do not know, why not choose to "believe" in god and religion?

Well, based on what I have read and learned of gods and religions, no thanks.

Why would you worship someone or thing that demands to be worshiped?
That will cast you into hell for not "believing" in him/it?

That will cast someone into eternal hell for lying just as fast as for murdering??

Seems kind of dickish.

No thanks.

a reply to: Lucid Lunacy

Demons know god exists but don't have faith.

a reply to: Ladybug201

it may not be my place to reply to this but-

What?

that is not nearly an explanation!!!

originally posted by: Ladybug201
I'm not sure what is wrong with complaining.

I didn't say there was anything wrong with complaining. You accused someone of "trying to inflict harm with pointed arrows" and I'm saying that's what your OP sounds like to me. An attack on atheists. Complain away, but you're GOING to get feedback. That's some of mine.

originally posted by: Ladybug201
a reply to: Lucid Lunacy

Demons know god exists but don't have faith.

a reply to: NowWhat
Agnosticism and atheism can go hand in hand. I recognize my limitation to know with any certainty regarding god's existence or lackthereof [agnostic], yet absence of knowledge is precisely why I lack belief in its existence [atheist]. Not every atheist claims to have knowledge, most from my experience just lack belief. Not having knowledge/evidence on somethings existence often leads to doubt and doubt can lead to total disbelief. Apply that to many creatures in our Cryptozoology forum.

a reply to: Ladybug201

I don't believe there are people who don't believe in the existence of god.

I don't believe you believe that

I believe you just need to be right, so you think that by stating your beliefs you can do away with any unnecessary thinking or arguing that might make you wrong

There are those disbelievers, mostly those claiming to be "atheist" who desperatly cling to science to create the illusion of superiority. Superior in knowledge.

Do you feel stupid? Do atheists make you feel stupid? Is this what you think they're trying to do?

Your biggest mistake (here in this thread) is assuming that other religious people are as ignorant as you are. All religious people are not the same - and they all don't think the same as you

Many (many, many, many...) religious people have no problem with science - and are in fact working with science or are themselves scientists

Science is not your enemy. Neither are the atheists

“Or will we allow ourselves to be intimidated by the secular progressives,” he said. “The secular progressives don’t care whether you agree with them or not, as long as you sit down and keep your mouth shut. I believe the secret to the power of this nation is: We must be willing to stand up for what we believe in.”

Unless you believe, as this man does - that they are out to get you. This man believes a lot of things. I wonder what they did with all their grain while those ginormous stone silos were being built?

:-)

He owes his entire career to science... but for right now he's got to pretend that science is evil

Believe what you want to believe - we all do. Why do you believe you need an enemy?

originally posted by: GonzoSinister
"Demons know god exists but don't have faith."
What?

that is not nearly an explanation!!!

Perhaps I can help here.
The essence of faith is trust.
This is the distinction which we find in Johns's gospel between believing IN (putting trust in someone or something) and believing THAT (accepting that something exists).
I believe that the Pope exists (believing THAT), but I don't put my trust in him (believing IN).
Similarly the demons know from direct experience that God exists (believing THAT), but they are not putting their trust in him (believing IN).
Since they put no trust in him, they have no faith.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Don't people accuse murderers also? Thieves, rapists. I accuse mockers and so don't give me the holier than thou attitude atheists don't mock believers.

originally posted by: Ladybug201
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Don't people accuse murderers also? Thieves, rapists. I accuse mockers and so don't give me the holier than thou attitude atheists don't mock believers.

its not very Christian to accuse anyone, the bible suggests you should be acceptant

a reply to: GonzoSinister

Be so yourself

originally posted by: Ladybug201
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Don't people accuse murderers also? Thieves, rapists. I accuse mockers and so don't give me the holier than thou attitude atheists don't mock believers.

That is the most ludicrous post you have made so far and thats saying something!!

So being an Atheist is akin to being murderer or rapist?

We've had fundamentalist members like you on ATS many times before, for the record, they don't last long, probably change their ATS handle a few times before they realise that they are fighting a loosing battle with most ATS members.

And some friendly advice...... try not using the same name on ATS that you use on other websites

originally posted by: Ladybug201
a reply to: GonzoSinister

Be so yourself

Alas i did not claim to be Christian.

I do accept others faith, however it is hard to accept someone who refuses to believe in someone else's faith purely because i do not agree with it.

i have many religious friends, i would expect them to accept my faith in the same way i accept theirs.

originally posted by: Ladybug201
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic
... so don't give me the holier than thou attitude

Really? YOU'RE saying that TO ME, after starting this thread with the biggest "holier-than-thou attitude" I've seen in a while? LOL! You have the audacity to try to tell people what they believe, call us liars, accuse us of mocking believers (I don't), say that we 'desperately cling to science' and have a superiority complex?

The fact that you started this thread proves that you need to take a GOOD look in the mirror because everything you just accused atheists of doing, was done by you in your first post!

By the way, if I want to give you attitude, I will.

a reply to: flammadraco

Care to read what I said. You consider atheists innocent? You should have a look at the atheist facebookpages and how religion is mocked. I admit, they have no clue what they are talking about. The ignorance just hurts.