Very simple argument against abortion

a reply to: Phage

It is simple, your thoughts and ideas makes it complex. If i take a life, thats all i did, the circumstances doesnt matter in nature,taking a life is something universal, the circumstances is your thoughts.

a reply to: rajas

the circumstances doesnt matter in nature

False. Circumstances do matter in nature.

a reply to: Phage

Give me an example

originally posted by: rajas
a reply to: Annee

Topic is still: Very simple argument against abortion, . . .

Very simple. You don't want one --- don't get one.

Definition of murder: the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.

Abortion is legal.

a reply to: Phage

Notice my use of a conditional statement, "if," is the key word. Your post that I replied to indicated that you think the argument is inadequate in some way. If it is inadequate, then one or more of the premises must be unsound or the argument is invalid. Do you find the argument to be inadequate in some way?

originally posted by: Lucid Lunacy
You said abortions only occured with humans and in no other animals. My reponse was to that, and that alone. What you said is not accurate. You were attempting to make a point predicated on abortions only occuring with humans. That’s why I replied.

if you read the article you posted, these were spontaneous abortions (e.i. miscarraige) that occurred in the population of the baboon community because due to their nature the pregnant females knew that if those babies were born they would be immediately killed by the successor male. therefore there is no species that deliberately removes a developing fetus via substance or medical procedure. the baboons are not doing it because they want to kill their offspring, but because they know the offspring will be killed and so they are saving them.

therefore you could apply this situation to human situations of abortion, that is assured. but there is no physical procedure that happens. i do not think your linked article is a valid argument as to the purpose you posted it.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: rajas
a reply to: Annee

Topic is still: Very simple argument against abortion, . . .

Very simple. You don't want one --- don't get one.

Definition of murder: the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.

Abortion is legal.

Where does you defintion come from, cause i sure cant find it in my books?

a reply to: rajas

The argument for abortion!!!

Not because its legal!!!

How many times do i have to repeat it???

a reply to: rajas

No point. In your simple world, there is no such circumstance. You would deny it. You have denied it. You have made that clear.

Enjoy your simple world. Don't expect others to live in it.

a reply to: Phage

Cause there is none, you cant make a wrong to a right.. Doesnt matter which word you use..

I baited you, your answer would give the necessity of survival, abortion is not there.

a reply to: Phage

And actually the world is pretty simple, but you gotta love that imagination of ours.

a reply to: Annee

i was one of those children, and life was miserable for a long time and as a result i have become a being that has a very unique perspective on life and the world.

therefore my observations are equally valid as your observations. you are a living being that observes the surrounding area, as am i.

there was a point where i wished i had been aborted because i was unwanted, but where would any of you be, without my observation, there would be no observation.

if you poke out one eye, you poke out your eye.

a reply to: sociolpath

therefore my observations are equally valid as your observations.

Very good. And there are a great number of people in the world, aren't there?

a reply to: rajas

I baited you,

Really?
Gosh. I hadn't noticed.

Actually I did. It was pretty simple bait.

a reply to: Phage

Thats why i like you

a reply to: rajas

Wait till you get to know me better.

a reply to: sociolpath

if you read the article you posted

Of course I did. It was one example. There are many. Even that article linked to examples with mice, horses..

there is no species that deliberately removes a developing fetus via substance or medical procedure.

I think it's generally understood that humans have higher thinking. The human animal is the only one that does brain surgery too. Are we to conclude then that it's wrong for humans to conduct those medical procedures because no other animals are observed doing it? What exactly is your point? Yes, humans are the only animals known to intentionally abort the fetus with a medical procedure...... duh.

a reply to: sociolpath

"your mother was incapable of raising you as her offspring, therefore you will be incapable of raising your children as offspring."

You know precious little about history in many countries. Children have been raised by Nannies, housekeepers etc for generations with little contact with their parents. But amazingly not only has the human race continued to thrive, it has indecently done so!

Although unusual, I wasn't raised by my Mother because she worked and ran a family business. However, I have raised my children and we are an extremely close family. I have been there for them every step of their lives and, since their adulthood they have always been there for me.

Your statement is historically incorrect and utterly false. It make such generalisations you do humanity a lot of harm - which from your sentiments, I don't think is exactly your intention.

originally posted by: Shiloh7

Although unusual, I wasn't raised by my Mother because she worked and ran a family business. However, I have raised my children and we are an extremely close family.

I was raised by my grandmother, because my mom contracted polio, then my dad ran off with another woman because he couldn't handle having a disabled wife. I divorced my kids father because he was jealous of his own kids. I now live with one of my daughters, raising my 8 year old high functioning autistic grandson, because his dad died of Cancer on Christmas morning, less then a month after his sons birth.

But, Hey! It's not a competition.

a reply to: Shiloh7

i cannot harm humanity, they are already doing all the harm themselves.

i can only speak what i observe, to which the statement was not proven to be false by whom it was directed toward.

humans know nothing about their history, there is no correct history as humans have created a false history as they wish it to be.