Vulnerable teen 'gang raped' by young 'Syrian migrants' after recently arriving in Britain

originally posted by: yorkshirelad

originally posted by: everyone

originally posted by: Soloprotocol
Dont fret. if you do a bit of checking you will see 90+% of rapes are committed by born and bread British people. You can now crawl out from under yer bed....fear the white man.

A number that you pulled from somehwere where the sun does not shine of course.

No it comes from here :

www.gov.uk...

Of course you can do the usual ATS thing and deny the figures are true because a government department produced them. But then again on the opposite side of the very same coin : where do the stats about immigrant rapes come from that the xenophobes spout about ? So far I see anecdotes, some personal, but hey that's Daily Mail stuff. In a room of 1000 the Daily Mail will find the 1 person that fits their xenophobic headline!

So several pages down and you are still holding on to your opinion that because your own women live in an already dangerous place, it doesn't make 'much of a difference' if you add more danger!
That 'difference' [and since last week, I have read about at least 10 rape cases in Europe by 'immigrants].
These are real people, not dolls.
The same women would not have been raped had we not let feral, single, males from women hating countries just come in unchecked and unsupervised.

You are saying that these 10+ women 'don't matter' [only the immigrants do, even 'if there are a few rapists amongst them'], because we have already a lot of home grown rape. Your argument is offensive.

a reply to: Hecate666

I have been keeping up with a youtube site by Angry Foreigner, a Swede, who is most unhappy with the skyrocketing stats on rape there in the last three or four years, (which seems to rise almost on a daily basis.)

Get this. He said they arrested a group of men from Somalia who had been doing many of the gang rapes. When the families of the girls asked that they be deported the government's response was this:

All human lives have value. If we deport them, they will only go rape women in Somalia.

So they were allowed to remain.

Angry Foreigner then sarcastically states the "so the women of Sweden are being sacrificed, to protect women in Somalia".

It's so frustrating! I mean, I understand where they are coming from, but for God's sake, I expect my government to protect ME first. Isn't that like saying "We are sending all our food to Africa because the Africans are hungry. Consequently, we will need to starve, because their lives have as much value as ours."
CRAY CRAY.

I get it, I do. But it's insane.

a reply to: anxiouswens

Rape is a frequent crime that occurs every hour of the day across the globe. So why do you bring this particular case to our attention?

Is it because the perps are foreign? As we speak some poor woman could be assaulted in your town by a member of your community. But screw them, it's those pesky Syrian refugees that we should keep our eye on.

originally posted by: Thecakeisalie
a reply to: anxiouswens

Rape is a frequent crime that occurs every hour of the day across the globe. So why do you bring this particular case to our attention?

Probably for the same reason the member has posted 30 odd threads in recent weeks all about Muslims.
Reads way too much Daily Mail and Express as far as I see it.

I didn't just post this to highlight rape it also brings up a lot of issues which I have been saying. Namely, we haven't got a clue who is coming into Europe or the UK. Kent Social Services only said a couple of weeks ago they are struggling to cope with the influx of young immigrants who are crossing the tunnel from Calais. In the vast majority of cases these people don't have any paperwork on them and say they are under 18 so straight away become the responsibility of social services and have the same protection as a British minor would. Lets not forget these people are entering the UK illegally.

Its already been widely acknowledged across Europe that many are pretending to by Syrian and deliberately get rid of their papers when they land in Greece. In fact, many genuine refugees from Syria have themselves said that many are not Syrian because they can tell with their language and accents.

This case highlights how dangerous it is to keep letting people in whom we know nothing about. Are we to presume that they are all innocent refugees and don't have a criminal record. These young men should never have been allowed to live with a vulnerable young British girl. Who has authorised this? The fact that they have no paperwork and we don't know their ages should have set alarm bells off. How can this be called safeguarding by our social services? They have been downright negligent for allowing this to happen.

For the person who has said 90% of white British people are the main perpetrators of rape, I have read the sources from the Government website and I am sorry but I have not seen that anyway. As far as I know this isn't allowed in our country - i.e. to split crimes up into colour and ethnicity.

Certainly there have been rapes in this Country since time began but I have never heard anything like the number of gang rapes that have recently started coming to light.

a reply to: Thecakeisalie

a reply to: anxiouswens

Time to put the immigrant crime statistics debate to bed. Been reading this, this morning. I'm heading out shortly but will return to take on any challengers. I'll leave you with this:

UK: in 2013 Muslims made up 13.1% of the prison population but just 4% of the general population meaning that they are 3.3 times more likely to be incarcerated than a member of the general population

Sweden: Findings from a previous study published by the Swedish government in 1996 determined that between 1985 and 1989 individuals born in Iraq, North Africa (Algeria, Libya, Morocco and Tunisia), and Africa (excluding Uganda and the North African countries) were convicted of rape at rates 20, 23, and 17 greater than individuals born in Sweden respectively.[12]

Switzerland:Thus, immigrants from Germany, France and Austria had a significantly lower crime rate than Swiss citizens (60% to 80%), while immigrants from Angola, Nigeria and Algeria had a crime rate of above 600% of that of Swiss population. In between these extremes were immigrants from Former Yugoslavia, with crime rates of between 210% and 300% of the Swiss value.

Norway:According to a 2011 report by Statistics Norway in 2009 first generation immigrants from Africa were three times more likely than ethnic Norwegians (or rather individuals who are neither first nor second generation immigrants) to be convicted of a felony while Somali immigrants in particular being 4.4 times more likely to be convicted of a felony than an ethnic Norwegian. Similarly, Iraqis and Pakistanis were found to have rates of conviction for felonies greater than ethnic Norwegians by a factor of 3 and 2.6 respectively.

Germany: Immigrants in Germany are overrepresented in crime statistics. In Berlin, young male immigrants are three times more likely to commit violent crimes than their German peers.[17] The crime rate of immigrants is at first glimpse about 5 times higher than that for Germans (4.9 : 1).

For those who call me an Islamaphobe I will accept it but only if you can tell me what the alternative label is for muslims who live in Britain who actively hate anyone who is not muslim. Terrorist can't be the correct label because obviously not every muslim person is a terrorist (far from it). We hear them called extremists etc but that isn't the correct label to give them when it comes to their hatred of anyone who is not muslim. So when you can tell me the name for their open hostility to anyone from a different religion or culture then I will accept the label above, but only then.a reply to: anxiouswens

a reply to: anxiouswens

I've never called you an Islamaphobe but I think you are overly dramatic about the reality of the situation.
If we were in Germany, or we didn't have UK 'control' over the border at Calais then I might feel the same, but the problems you are scared of are on the mainland, we have got away with it in comparison.

...30 odd threads about Muslims in less than 4 weeks? Really?
Put down the Daily Mail and the Express and have a cup of tea maybe?

I note you in the lovely South West of England. Lucky you!! Is that Devon or Cornwall? Are you trying to say you can equate your area of England with say inner cities or North of England. I holiday in your neck of the woods at least twice a year and I haven't seen many mosques, compared to three enormous ones just in the next town to me and even more in Oldham and Rochdale.

For your information I don't just read Daily Mail and Daily Express and the article I have posted here was in many other newspapers hidden away in the small print. It wasn't however in the Guardian by some strange coincidence, but I dare say the fact that British Jihadists were heard by intelligence on the chatter regarding the Russian plane hasn't made much of an appearance in that paper either as it is completely left wing and tries to ignore anything negative with regards to immigration and always put the spin of how great it all is whilst at the same time slating the government for the austerity measures, how dumb is that. Let the world in, let them have free health care and all the other British perks but then stop austerity. Nor have I posted 30 posts, bit of an exaggeration.

For what it is worth I do admit I've become a bit obsessive about this subject, which is totally out of character for me. I am under a lot of stress as I am a carer for my mum who has vascular dementia and also a single parent. It can be very isolating and when I have down time I try to switch off by going on various forums to have some adult conversation. Its just whichever forum I go on these days, whether political or not, it is very hard to get away from all the different news which is coming out of Europe and it is quite scary.

However, as I said earlier , I am going to refrain from posting any new threads on the subject because this problem isn't going to go away any time soon and I think it is best I enjoy life as much as possible, whilst I still can before the SHTF, which I have no doubt it will. My sister had a breakdown when she was in her forties (like me) and that was because she became obsessive about her children's safety after the shooting of school children in Dumblane, Scotland. I know how obsessiveness can soon turn to something far more serious so for my mental health is it is best I just sit and observe and try not to worry too much. All the worrying in the world won't change anything. Maybe I would be happier if I could become obsessive with the "No Borders" campaign!!

I am also going to take your advice and go and put the kettle on
eply to: grainofsand

ps We have got it away with it so far but what about when Germany start handing out passports and other EU Countries, if we remain in the EU those people will be able to move freely to our Country. We already have hundreds of thousands of people coming here each year. Conservatives were voted in because they promised to lower these numbers, they admitted immigration was one of the main points of concern by the British public. How are they going to bring these numbers down if we remain in the EU? However, the whole EU referendum is for another thread.a reply to: grainofsand

a reply to: anxiouswens

Not far from East Prawle, about as far South as you can get on the island without going further West.

I actually agree with much you say, but the problems in Rochdale and the like are not the result of recent events in Syria, it is 2nd/3rd generation immigrants who are already established here. Our border is reasonably secure and we never signed up to the Schengen agreement.

Am I glad I live in a region of the UK which is between 95% and 99% white/Christian/no-belief? Yes, of course.
I'd rather my street full of Catholic Polish people over Muslims anyday, and for obvious reasons.

Well there you go at least you are honest. You don't have the same problems we have up North. However, that is why it is confusing to people on ATS who are from other countries.. When you are saying everything is fine and I am saying it isn't fine. Its because of the regional differences. Like you said you don't really have multi-culturism in your area, nor do a lot of our MP's as they too come from areas such as Oxford where there isn't even one refugee! They put all immigrants together in the same areas each time which isn't really fair to the people already living in these areas, nor is it a good idea when it has already been shown that a lot of them don't integrate, but they don't have to integrate because they are surrounded by people who speak the same language as themselves and come from the same culture.

In relation to our borders I don't think they are great when every day people are getting into the Country in lorries etc.
My concern is the numbers in Calais are growing significantly and they have already caused lots of problems with storming Euro tunnel. Many lorry drivers say it is getting quite frightening. I just worry how bad it is going to be as the numbers get larger and larger. I really don't know why they aren't sent back to France when they have entered illegally. If we did this is would stop others from trying to do the same. Plus the money it is costing us on a daily basis is astronomical at a time when we are having our services cut because of austerity measures, it just doesn't make sense.

.a reply to: grainofsand

There is a real issue in regards to Islamic immigration and the extreme left is butchering the Right on this particular subject because the Right is too stupid to get to the real concern and it's not the stats of rape or terrorism.

They will vote.

The belief systems will not be live able to most Westerners and they will Vote and you will have to kill them and it wont happen until the numbers are high enough to make it a fight.

It took forever for our society to become relatively sane, as we end the war on drugs, as a bit of socialism comes to Europe and America and people can finally live and pursue dreams regardless of beliefs or gender or race...

These guys will destroy it all via the one thing that let it happen in the first place... Democracy

It is a mistake to let them in at all. Your kids wont know the meaning of the word freedom, numbers = votes and there is still a strong background number of Westerners that are Luddites and ignorant and religious who will side with similar policies.

Your governments are screwing you, they let them in on the basis of control over society, the govt can't do certain things without being voted out, religious voters change the game "work hard all the time for little reward" "sex is for procreation only" "women belong at home" so many things.... this is what Government likes, a locus of control the people kept in line... the word of the day is tolerance but it is bs, a spew of lies to regain control and they lack the backwards because the backwards do the same job for them.

Don't believe for a moment they are being let in for human rights reasons or compassion, they are the industrial era and tptb first line of defense in keeping people slaves in the modern era. You loose your liberal vote for everyone you let in your voice is one by one nullified by extremist ideas, don't be fools.

originally posted by: anxiouswens
I didn't just post this to highlight rape it also brings up a lot of issues which I have been saying. Namely, we haven't got a clue who is coming into Europe or the UK.

I understand...So out of what? 4 Million refugees you discovered an alleged rape case?

Better to be safe than sorry? Sure lets deport them all back to Syria...along with any citizen male enrolled in university...and most definitely frat boys...Send them to Syria as well. Better to not take chances.. Statistically your average college campus is a 100,000 times a greater threat to our daughters than Immigrants. Actually I'd have to do the math, but I likely underestimated the percentage comparisons.

Not really just because of this one case but because of the problems we have had in recent years from illegal immigrants and muslim immigrants.

www.bbc.co.uk...

www.dailymail.co.uk... tence-lenient.html

and in 2012 a fifth of rapes and murders were done by immigrants

www.telegraph.co.uk...

www.dailymail.co.uk...

www.bristolpost.co.uk...

www.express.co.uk...

www.express.co.uk...

www.bbc.co.uk...

And then the cases below Rotherham, Oxford, Derby, Blackpool, Rochdale. These are just a few of the case. I could go on. What is the thing that connects them they are all muslims mainly from Pakistan. You may not have noticed but the vast majority of the people coming into Europe are muslim, and not even westernised muslims but muslims from Countries where a stricter form of islam is followed amongst them are people from Pakistan:

Paedophile gang's abuse lasted 16 YEARS as authorities feared being labelled racist if they tackled it

www.mirror.co.uk...

www.telegraph.co.uk...

en.wikipedia.org...

www.independent.co.uk...

www.dailymail.co.uk...

theukdatabase.com...

en.wikipedia.org... reply to: Indigo5

That's exactly what they should do, I don't understand why we have now got to pay for this to go to Court and then send them to prison where they will mix with other extremists. Our government don't seem to think ahead to the time when all these extremists are set free! Do they believe they are going to have suddenly changed their beliefs. I believe more likely they will have years of pent up anger and resentment against the British system, which they already detested to begin with.a reply to: Macenroe82

Most haven't got papers. They have destroyed them and all say they are Syrian because Frau Merkel told all Syrians they would be guaranteed asylum!! Now Germany are talking about sending back those that have failed asylum, but where will they send them to when they don't actually know where they are from!! The Countries won't accept them back without papers to prove they are actually from that Country! Even genuine Syrian refugees have said most who are saying they are Syrian aren't because they can tell with their language and accent.a reply to: hutch622

I'm glad this is out there. What alarms more is that is happened a couple of weeks ago and should have been headline news considering the worries a lot of British people have. As it is in a Youth Court this would never have made it into the public domain as Youth Courts are protected so someone obviously saw fit to put it out into the public domain which after Rotherham, and other cases, where they allowed over a thousand girls to be raped by muslim grooming gangs without redress because of being frightened of being called racist, is just as well in my humble opinion. I wonder how many we don't get to hear about!!a reply to: liteonit6969

originally posted by: liteonit6969
Let the fear mongering begin. I've pointed out in a thread that the media will be rife with these kind of articles. All to create fear en mass and implement refugee tracking systems. link
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Who are you a mouth piece for Soros?

originally posted by: liteonit6969
Also your life must be so rosy if refugee/imigrants is what has you crying. There are real problems in this world and crying about them into a hanker chief won't change anything.

Who are you to judge this woman? She has a real concern and so do many other people. You don't know how many radicals are entering passing as "refugees", and it is a known fact that many passports from nations like Iraq, Iran, etc, have been found in the borders as people from many Middle Eastern countries are "using this crisis" to go to Europe and the United States.

Her life doesn't have to be rosy for her to worry about a real problem you simply want to dismiss.

a reply to: angeldoll

It's stories like this which show the blind hypocrisy of some of the politicians in Europe right now. The fact that they won't even consider a public vote regarding this whole situation should prove that they aren't interested in serving the people of their country.